Our grounds too big for us (Sky Sports) (5 Viewers)

[dongonzalos]

Can you please quote what the sisu spokesman is quoted in the article as saying?

Too funny

 

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[SlowerThanPlatt]

Leeds did not have 8k at all. It was 6k all that end holds as shown when Leicester filled it opening day of the 2012 season.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

So we had 20k against Leeds?

Depends how many Leeds fans were in the home end but likely yea, Leeds sold out there allocation and then Cov fans just turned up because it would be a good occasion. The Leeds match was early November and attendances just plummeted despite us remaining in the top 6 until new years day.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Leeds did not have 8k at all. It was 6k all that end holds as shown when Leicester filled it opening day of the 2012 season.

6k then, still depends on how many were sitting in the home end.

Haven't admitted you were wrong yet about the time we were in the top 6 for?

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

6k then, still depends on how many were sitting in the home end.

Haven't admitted you were wrong yet about the time we were in the top 6 for?

So you think there was 2k Leeds fans in the home end? Surely not...not even you...

OK I admit I was wrong however you'd hate for our club to be successful wouldn't you because then you couldn't criticise attendances and then probably move onto the players.

Out of interest, who else's support do you consider poor then? Or just ours?

 

[stupot07]

So for the 2010/11 season we were in the top six pretty much consistently for half a season until the new year and we only had attendances of:

Portsmouth 18.8k
Derby 13.1k
Leicester 20k
Preston 14.9k
Doncaster 12.3k
Cardiff 14.6k
Barnsley 14.5k
Leeds 28.1k
Burnley 14.4k
Middlesborough 15.7k
Norwich 15.2k

Yet we're slapping high fives around because of the Leeds attendance, who sold out their allocation, Portsmouth and Leicester both brought a lot of fans too IIRC.


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[SlowerThanPlatt]

6k then, still depends on how many were sitting in the home end.

Haven't admitted you were wrong yet about the time we were in the top 6 for?

So for the 2010/11 season we were in the top six pretty much consistently for half a season until the new year and we only had attendances of:

Portsmouth 18.8k
Derby 13.1k
Leicester 20k
Preston 14.9k
Doncaster 12.3k
Cardiff 14.6k
Barnsley 14.5k
Leeds 28.1k
Burnley 14.4k
Middlesborough 15.7k
Norwich 15.2k

Yet we're slapping high fives around because of the Leeds attendance, who sold out their allocation, Portsmouth and Leicester both brought a lot of fans too IIRC.


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Same with Boro last season? 15-17k for most games before picking up massively with the last few home games to take the average to 19k. Or, have you got a reason for them?

 

[dongonzalos]

So for the 2010/11 season we were in the top six pretty much consistently for half a season until the new year and we only had attendances of:

Portsmouth 18.8k
Derby 13.1k
Leicester 20k
Preston 14.9k
Doncaster 12.3k
Cardiff 14.6k
Barnsley 14.5k
Leeds 28.1k
Burnley 14.4k
Middlesborough 15.7k
Norwich 15.2k

Yet we're slapping high fives around because of the Leeds attendance, who sold out their allocation, Portsmouth and Leicester both brought a lot of fans too IIRC.


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What were the attence for the second half of the season?

 

[stupot07]

Same with Boro last season? 15-17k for most games before picking up massively with the last few home games to take the average to 19k. Or, have you got a reason for them?

But people are saying with we get into the top 6 we will get 20-25k+ in league one, when we have proof that it didn't happen in the championship.

Re: Leeds you've also got to factor in the reaction to Leeds selling out their allocation, fans that wouldn't normally go thinking that it will be a big game and a good atmosphere on the back of a sold out away allocation.


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[Nick]

But people are saying with we get into the top 6 we will get 20-25k+ in league one, when we have proof that it didn't happen in the championship.

Re: Leeds you've also got to factor in the reaction to Leeds selling out their allocation, fans that wouldn't normally go thinking that it will be a big game and a good atmosphere on the back of a sold out away allocation.


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wasn't it front page of the telegraph telling people to get to the game?

 

[stupot07]

What were the attence for the second half of the season?

Taking Leeds out the equation as a one off, pretty much comparable.

QPR 17.7k
Ipswich 14.4k
Sheff United 14.8k
Forest 14.6k
Crystal palace 16.5k
Swansea 13.4k
Bristol City 15.2k
Hull 14.4k
Watford 16.5k
Millwall 16.3k
Scunthorpe 16.7k
Reading 22.4k


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[SlowerThanPlatt]

6k then, still depends on how many were sitting in the home end.

Haven't admitted you were wrong yet about the time we were in the top 6 for?

But people are saying with we get into the top 6 we will get 20-25k+ in league one, when we have proof that it didn't happen in the championship.

Re: Leeds you've also got to factor in the reaction to Leeds selling out their allocation, fans that wouldn't normally go thinking that it will be a big game and a good atmosphere on the back of a sold out away allocation.


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Well no we wouldn't get 20k each game maybe we might in a 1st v 2nd battle or last couple of games but not 20k each game if we were in the play offs. You have to encounter for the poor away support in this league is most teams will bring 200-500 on a good day so I'd guess at we'd get 12-13k if we can get a good run together till Christmas time.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

The only comparable I can find is CCFC vs Shrewsbury 15k attendance, we were 10 games unbeaten but 10th (?) I think? So if you want to go by that...

I remember this game very well we had a strike force of DMC and Leon Clarke in League 1 but still couldn't score and Shrewsbury hadn't won away all season whilst we were 10 unbeaten...safe to say we all know what happens next with a CCFC team

 

[Grendel]

The only comparable I can find is CCFC vs Shrewsbury 15k attendance, we were 10 games unbeaten but 10th (?) I think? So if you want to go by that...

That was either New Year's Day or Boxing Day wasn't it - always a big crowd.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

6k then, still depends on how many were sitting in the home end.

Haven't admitted you were wrong yet about the time we were in the top 6 for?

That was either New Year's Day or Boxing Day wasn't it - always a big crowd.

So it wasn't because we were playing well it was because it was New Year's Day?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

So you think there was 2k Leeds fans in the home end? Surely not...not even you...

OK I admit I was wrong however you'd hate for our club to be successful wouldn't you because then you couldn't criticise attendances and then probably move onto the players.

Out of interest, who else's support do you consider poor then? Or just ours?

Well I didn't really know how big the away end at the Ricoh was when I said 8k, if its 6k as you say then no I don't think there were 8k.

No I'd love the club to be successful, why would I move onto the players? There's enough people telling us how shit our squad is and how we are going to be relegated every year as it is already.

Difficult question as I don't study every teams attendances, its somewhat relative as well and what constitutes as poor, Man City on occasions struggle to sell out the etihad despite challenging for the league and being in Europe every year, but they still get over 40k. Are they poorly supported for the success they've had?
There are lots of teams who have less attendance than us but they are historically considered smaller clubs than us as well. Team like Fleetwood, Stevenage and Crawley who are historically non league team and have low attendances, are they considered poorly supported, or for the size of the club is there support about right?
There are lots of teams who fans would consider smaller than us and yet they are getting better attendances than us at the moment.

I was arguing with a Bristol City fan earlier this year who believed Bristol were massive and kept banging on about what great potential they had and how big the city was. I told him to pipe down as they'd achieved nothing ever, so I guess they would be poorly supported with relation to city size.

I said earlier this year if you could somehow quantify it the ratio of our attendance to how big our fans believe we are, we'd probably be one of the worse in the football league.

As I've grown older I've come to realise we're not a sleeping giant or belong in the premier league as many fans say, we're an average sized club who had unbelievable success over that 30 odd year period that we will probably never see again, if I was to place us in the league pyramid based on how big we are I'd place us somewhere in the bottom half of the championship alongside teams like Huddersfield, Bristol City. Sure we've probably had more success than them in the modern era but in terms of infrastructure and a platform to move forward, that is about what we are.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

So it wasn't because we were playing well it was because it was New Year's Day?

Well you only have to look to the next three home fixtures to see, 9k v Tranmere (13th going into game), 10k v Oldham (10th going into game) and 11k v Yeovil (8th going into game, 1 point off play offs).

So whilst it looks like attendances were slowly and gradually creeping up the 15k was a one off because as said it was new years day, given the run we were on it would probably have been 10-11k it it wasn't a new years day fixture

I don't disagree much with your 12-13k prediction tbh, it was the person who said 25k who I thought initially was talking rubbish and who started this discussion.

 

[Jack Griffin]

You're going to take a little bit of stick for being over optimistic here but for those who say this is wide of the mark it would be completely uncharted territory to be flirting with the play offs, would it not ?
I don't think 20,000 would be unreasonably, given the success starvation period we have undergone (28 years isn't it ?)

Not at all, there is a big 'if' in my first sentence and the tone of the 2nd sentence is somewhat sardonic for good reason.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Not at all, there is a big 'if' in my first sentence and the tone of the 2nd sentence is somewhat sardonic for good reason.

I'm actually with you on the attendances, Jack.

It seems to me that what I am reading here is that some people want to rule out the bigger crowds because other big teams bring lots of supporters, so it doesn't count- ie Leeds. There may have been 28,000, but it doesn't really count because there were over 6000 Leeds fans and , besides, its just lots of city fans "jumping on the bandwagon." 22000 home fans doesn't count because its "not normal."

Therefore we shouldn't include any attendances that are against some bigger teams (Sheffield United) because they bring a fair few and there many be a few more city fans and they are just to watch the big teams.

In the Championship we shouldn't include matches against the likes of Leicester, Bimingham, Leeds, Bristol City, Derby , Forest, Sheff Wed, Wolves.

In the Premiership we should exclude almost all, apart from Swansea and a couple of others, because all the other teams are big and most fans at the Ricoh come to see them and not City.

Of course, it's not the same for other clubs at their home grounds, is it ?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I'm actually with you on the attendances, Jack.

It seems to me that what I am reading here is that some people want to rule out the bigger crowds because other big teams bring lots of supporters, so it doesn't count- ie Leeds. There may have been 28,000, but it doesn't really count because there were over 6000 Leeds fans and , besides, its just lots of city fans "jumping on the bandwagon." 22000 home fans doesn't count because its "not normal."

Therefore we shouldn't include any attendances that are against some bigger teams (Sheffield United) because they bring a fair few and there many be a few more city fans and they are just to watch the big teams.

In the Championship we shouldn't include matches against the likes of Leicester, Bimingham, Leeds, Bristol City, Derby , Forest, Sheff Wed, Wolves.

In the Premiership we should exclude almost all, apart from Swansea and a couple of others, because all the other teams are big and most fans at the Ricoh come to see them and not City.

Of course, it's not the same for other clubs at their home grounds, is it ?

Well it counts but in the context of the Leeds match its clearly not the norm as the games before and after that were relatively poor despite us still being in the top 6.

I think you've completely missed the point tbh, we're not a well supported club for how big our fans think we are.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Well it counts but in the context of the Leeds match its clearly not the norm as the games before and after that were relatively poor despite us still being in the top 6.

I think you've completely missed the point tbh, we're not a well supported club for how big our fans think we are.

...and how big do you assume supporters think our club is ? From the reaction on here I'd say it's the opposite.

As far as dismissing the Leeds match as clearly not the norm please enlighten me as to why you think there were 28,000 there .

 

[Grendel]

...and how big do you assume supporters think our club is ? From the reaction on here I'd say it's the opposite.

As far as dismissing the Leeds match as clearly not the norm please enlighten me as to why you think there were 28,000 there .

It was built up in the local media (when we had a newspaper that was interested in the club) as a big game with a big away following. No one denies that some people in Coventry enjoy an occasional big day out.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

It was built up in the local media (when we had a newspaper that was interested in the club) as a big game with a big away following. No one denies that some people in Coventry enjoy an occasional big day out.

.....that's hilarious.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

...and how big do you assume supporters think our club is ? From the reaction on here I'd say it's the opposite.

As far as dismissing the Leeds match as clearly not the norm please enlighten me as to why you think there were 28,000 there .

Leeds sold out there allocation so then a few extras decide to go as think it will be a good day. Then the fixture is massively hyped and the bandwagoners and snowball effect takeover.

If it was the norm, then surely there would have been 22k Cov fans there the next match and further matches?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Leeds sold out there allocation so then a few extras decide to go as think it will be a good day. Then the fixture is massively hyped and the bandwagoners and snowball effect takeover.

If it was the norm, then surely there would have been 22k Cov fans there the next match and further matches?

Would you have been happier with 15,000 at that game ?

 

[Grendel]

Would you have been happier with 15,000 at that game ?

No just more than 14,000 at the following game.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Would you have been happier with 15,000 at that game ?

No but to use it as an example of our incredible support is silly as it is a one off.

Our support was still relatively poor 14-16k when we were challenging for the play offs.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

No but to use it as an example of our incredible support is silly as it is a one off.

Our support was still relatively poor 14-16k when we were challenging for the play offs.

Was it a sustained challenge for the play offs, or was it one of those moments where we just begin to believe. I can't remember a concerted challenge.

 

[stupot07]

Was it a sustained challenge for the play offs, or was it one of those moments where we just begin to believe. I can't remember a concerted challenge.

So what you're saying is, if we're 3rd play off looking certain with 2 homes games to go, we will get 25k+, but if we're third at Christmas we'll only get 12-13k as its not a sustained challenge?


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[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

So what you're saying is, if we're 3rd play off looking certain with 2 homes games to go, we will get 25k+, but if we're third at Christmas we'll only get 12-13k as its not a sustained challenge?


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We don't have to be third - anywhere in the top 6 with 2 home games to go I would expect crowds pushing towards 20k . I don't recall ever saying we will get 25k, because I don't believe that in this division we could get that many. That was someone else on another thread.

Was the time we played Leeds a genuine sustained challenge for promotion ?

 

[stupot07]

We don't have to be third - anywhere in the top 6 with 2 home games to go I would expect crowds pushing towards 20k . I don't recall ever saying we will get 25k, because I don't believe that in this division we could get that many. That was someone else on another thread.

Was the time we played Leeds a genuine sustained challenge for promotion ?

We were pretty much top 6 for the first half of the season, I would say that is a sustained challenge for promotion, yes, things tailed off but we were not to know that they would tail off at the time.


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[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

We were pretty much top 6 for the first half of the season, I would say that is a sustained challenge for promotion, yes, things tailed off but we were not to know that they would tail off at the time.

...I've been watching them since the mid 1970's so I knew it would tail off. It always does. And therein lies the problem !


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[SkyBlue_Bear83]

So do we just stop going every time we get a sticky spell, even teams in 1st place go through tough spells at some point in the season. People say if we're near the top and having a good season the fans will turn up, if we're top of the league in December and getting okish attendances of 11-12k and then and go through a spell where we don't win for 5 or 6 games will attendances just drop back to 7-9k?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

...if we are top of the league at xmas we'll get more than 12-13K, especially if we've been sniffing around there from the start. Now that would be bloody good wouldn't it ?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

...if we are top of the league at xmas we'll get more than 12-13K, especially if we've been sniffing around there from the start. Now that would be bloody good wouldn't it ?

We wouldn't, honestly you wouldn't see any worthwhile attendances unless its a one off or until the promotion/title clincher come around and if we went on a bad run attendances would drop anyway even if we remained near the top.

Anyway we're just going round in circles