Sustainability (20 Viewers)

Esoterica

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Let's say SISU pack up and leave and we become fan owned and offered sustainability by living within our means. How would the supporters react to that? Would season tickets sold and attendance increase/decrease? Would the people who won't buy tickets because we've had no success/little investment etc in the playing squad still not buy tickets? Or would SISU being gone be enough to get them back?
 

AndreasB

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Let's say we ask you to explain how you breezily assume we can be "fan owned " before we indulge you any further.


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Ian1779

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Let's say SISU pack up and leave and we become fan owned and offered sustainability by living within our means. How would the supporters react to that? Would season tickets sold and attendance increase/decrease? Would the people who won't buy tickets because we've had no success/little investment etc in the playing squad still not buy tickets? Or would SISU being gone be enough to get them back?

I would be concerned that those fans that would supposedly come streaming back would be the same ones that were phoning up CWR the day it was announced we were coming back to Coventry.. you know crying with joy and excitement, frantically buying their Gillingham tickets, and then promptly fucking off the very next game.

Also we now to have to take into account that any new owners be them fan based or not would be stuck in a position where they have no ground of their own. The same problem is now going to exist regardless of whether SISU are here or not.
 

torchomatic

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Not sure I like the idea of fan ownership; it has the same appeal as hedge fund ownership for me.
 

simonregis

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I don't agree Ian. If we had come back to the Ricoh and SISU had sold up I think the attendance would have been higher for a lot longer.
 

kg82

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Let's say we ask you to explain how you breezily assume we can be "fan owned " before we indulge you any further.


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It seems like a theoretical situation being put forward, not an assumption? Are these now not allowed to be debated?
 

AndreasB

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It seems like a theoretical situation being put forward, not an assumption? Are these now not allowed to be debated?

Because it's not even theoretical as there is absolutely no likelihood of fan ownership given our current fanbase.


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torchomatic

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simonregis

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I believe false promises and crap owners have made us fickle. If we had decent owners we would have fans like Southampton or Norwich
 

torchomatic

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Mmm...Southampton didn't have decent owners at one point but their support stayed with them. Same with Leeds.

The Philosopher Martin Fry once said: Excuses have their uses, but they're all used up, all used up.

I believe false promises and crap owners have made us fickle. If we had decent owners we would have fans like Southampton or Norwich
 
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Grendel

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I believe false promises and crap owners have made us fickle. If we had decent owners we would have fans like Southampton or Norwich

Owners like Rupert Lowe?

Lol.
 

Esoterica

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I probably worded my question wrong but I meant in an entirely hypothetical scenario of us being an open, well run, community focused club* but with little hope of progress, would this see our support increase or decrease vs the current situation and struggling to sell 5000 season tickets

(* Dear Andreas, I know that we will not become a fan owned club but they are traits I associate with fan ownership. Love, Eso xx)
 

AndreasB

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I probably worded my question wrong but I meant in an entirely hypothetical scenario of us being an open, well run, community focused club* but with little hope of progress, would this see our support increase or decrease vs the current situation and struggling to sell 5000 season tickets

(* Dear Andreas, I know that we will not become a fan owned club but they are traits I associate with fan ownership. Love, Eso xx)

Owners are completely irrelevant despite what all the mouth breathers on here would tell you. Sustained success the only ticket generator...and that's not even guaranteed at this club.


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Hobo

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Owners are completely irrelevant despite what all the mouth breathers on here would tell you. Sustained success the only ticket generator...and that's not even guaranteed at this club.


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sustained success is a ticket generator, but I wouldn't say it is the only factor. To say owners are 'completely irrelevant' explains your misguided stance on this forum.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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Some people just seem to love to run down the people of this City and county. Is their something in the genes of people around here that make them more fickle than anywhere else in the country? As I mentioned on another thread, in terms of win ratios, we are probably the least successful team in the league over the last forty five years. Give the people of the area something to shout about and they will come back. Having supported this club for nearly fifty years, I know that this is true. Look at gates in Jimmy Hills first half season in charge to what they were when he really got us going.We averaged 25k during the Fergie and Wallace season. People returned before and after the cup win. When Ron Atkinson took over there was an immediate up turn in gates. Supporters here are the same as anywhere else, a little bit of hope, a little bit of success and they will return.I love this club, it is a big part of my life. I will always go. Some people for various reasons aren't or can't be as committed as this. Support does go up and down. In Man.Utd.'s relegation season their crowds went down to 25k. That season they were shocking. Alex Stepney, their keeper was leading scorer with 2 or 3 pens. A large percentage of their fans stopped going. Look on You Tube. There is great footage on their of a City away win that season with huge gaps on the Old Trafford terrace.They were promoted the following season and had a full house for most games. There are always ups and downs depending on how a club is doing. I remember listening to 606 a few years ago when a United "fan" from somewhere in Surrey phoned up to complain about their defeat to a lower league team in a cup competition. The gist of his argument was that he hadn't bought his Sky subscription to see "his" team losing to the likes of, I think it was Bournemouth. He was going to cancel his subscription! Now he is fickle!
Can I also say that there is a difference between criticising Sisu and criticising the club. The club is the entity that carries on ( hopefully) for ever in spite, sometimes, of the owners that are there. Sisu are simply an organisation that have attached themselves to our club. Sometime in the future they will be gone. For all those who say be careful for what you wish, or it is only Sisu money that is keeping us afloat, there are enough people who care about this club to make sure it survives short term which will give it the chance to flourish in the future.
Rant over!
 

Irish Sky Blue

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Rant started again! I read the other day about Chelsea being one of the biggest clubs in Europe. I think it was the season before Avramovitch took over, they got to their first FA cup final in years. We had a night game against them at Stamford Bridge which I think we won, one of our goals coming from Peter Ndlovu. Bearing in mind their up and coming final, their gate of 8,000 that night was shocking. That is only 20 odd years ago and now they are part of Europes elite. In the sixties, under jimmy Hill, we were then best supported team in the midlands and were in the top 11 or 12 in the country. Don't limit the size of the stadium. The potential is here. Just give people a reason for going again.
 

dongonzalos

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Mmm...Southampton didn't have decent owners at one point but their support stayed with them. Same with Leeds.

The Philosopher Martin Fry once said: Excuses have their uses, but they're all used up, all used up.

The current record attendance was for the Football League Championship match between Southampton and Coventry City on 28 April 2012, when 32,363 spectators attended. The lowest league record was Southampton versus Sheffield United, when just 13,257 attended.[3]

When the club had lower league position this had a negative impact on attendances, although the visit of Exeter City on Boxing Day, 2009 in a League One fixture, attracted an attendance of 30,890.[4] During the 2009–10 League One campaign, attendances increased significantly, attracting 29,901 against Milton Keynes Dons in the Football League Trophy and then, just 4 days later, 31,385 in a South Coast derby against Portsmouth in the FA Cup. The overall average attendance for the league season was 20,982, a near 3,000 improvement on the previous season despite being a league lower.[citation needed] During the 2010–11 League One campaign the lowest attendance was 18,623 against Yeovil, while the highest was 31,653 against Walsall.[5]
 

dongonzalos

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The averages maybe higher but like every club when things are bad attendances drop. When good they rise.

The averages will be higher due to our sustained period of crap.

Our fans are no different then any other club. To say so is negative bullsh#t.
 

dongonzalos

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Some people just seem to love to run down the people of this City and county. Is their something in the genes of people around here that make them more fickle than anywhere else in the country? As I mentioned on another thread, in terms of win ratios, we are probably the least successful team in the league over the last forty five years. Give the people of the area something to shout about and they will come back. Having supported this club for nearly fifty years, I know that this is true. Look at gates in Jimmy Hills first half season in charge to what they were when he really got us going.We averaged 25k during the Fergie and Wallace season. People returned before and after the cup win. When Ron Atkinson took over there was an immediate up turn in gates. Supporters here are the same as anywhere else, a little bit of hope, a little bit of success and they will return.I love this club, it is a big part of my life. I will always go. Some people for various reasons aren't or can't be as committed as this. Support does go up and down. In Man.Utd.'s relegation season their crowds went down to 25k. That season they were shocking. Alex Stepney, their keeper was leading scorer with 2 or 3 pens. A large percentage of their fans stopped going. Look on You Tube. There is great footage on their of a City away win that season with huge gaps on the Old Trafford terrace.They were promoted the following season and had a full house for most games. There are always ups and downs depending on how a club is doing. I remember listening to 606 a few years ago when a United "fan" from somewhere in Surrey phoned up to complain about their defeat to a lower league team in a cup competition. The gist of his argument was that he hadn't bought his Sky subscription to see "his" team losing to the likes of, I think it was Bournemouth. He was going to cancel his subscription! Now he is fickle!
Can I also say that there is a difference between criticising Sisu and criticising the club. The club is the entity that carries on ( hopefully) for ever in spite, sometimes, of the owners that are there. Sisu are simply an organisation that have attached themselves to our club. Sometime in the future they will be gone. For all those who say be careful for what you wish, or it is only Sisu money that is keeping us afloat, there are enough people who care about this club to make sure it survives short term which will give it the chance to flourish in the future.
Rant over!

Well said Irish

It's that negative self perpetuating tripe.

We have special water here in Coventry that makes you a fickle fan. Harsh really because if you were born just 30 miles away you would be a super fan. Hey ho that life
 

dongonzalos

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In my opinion. The only time this may happen would be if SISU were paid compensation that. Hit a bit chunk into their loses and restored their business reputation.
Say 30 million.

Then I think they could walk away and say to the business world we were legally wronged by the council. Hence it was the council's fault what happened with Coventry investment. Not bad business decisions or investment by ourselves. I think then they would sell the club for any price and rightly walk away. It is what I would do if I were them.

However to be honest if that happened I would not expect fan ownership.

I would expect new owners.
 

Grendel

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In my opinion. The only time this may happen would be if SISU were paid compensation that. Hit a bit chunk into their loses and restored their business reputation.
Say 30 million.

Then I think they could walk away and say to the business world we were legally wronged by the council. Hence it was the council's fault what happened with Coventry investment. Not bad business decisions or investment by ourselves. I think then they would sell the club for any price and rightly walk away. It is what I would do if I were them.

However to be honest if that happened I would not expect fan ownership.

I would expect new owners.

Oh look back onto your favourite topic again.
 

dongonzalos

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Owners are completely irrelevant despite what all the mouth breathers on here would tell you. Sustained success the only ticket generator...and that's not even guaranteed at this club.


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Mouth breathers?

If it doesn't then I assume we are dead.

A multitude of factors generate ticket sales.

Price
Success
Optimism
Feeling valued and part of the club

Owners affect all of those factors
All of those factors can have different value at different times in different circumstances
 

stupot07

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Let's say SISU pack up and leave and we become fan owned and offered sustainability by living within our means. How would the supporters react to that? Would season tickets sold and attendance increase/decrease? Would the people who won't buy tickets because we've had no success/little investment etc in the playing squad still not buy tickets? Or would SISU being gone be enough to get them back?

Fan ownership would go down like a lead balloon here. A brief period of euphoria, would soon lead to a discontent about lack of investment and ticket prices being too high.


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Gaz71

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Well said Irish

It's that negative self perpetuating tripe.

We have special water here in Coventry that makes you a fickle fan. Harsh really because if you were born just 30 miles away you would be a super fan. Hey ho that life

30 miles away.......Northampton super fans
 

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