Joy Division
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34 years in one division yet not finishing in the top 6 is a poor record. Why just because we are Coventry City is it okay to accept mediocrity at best?
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34 years in one division yet not finishing in the top 6 is a poor record. Why just because we are Coventry City is it okay to accept mediocrity at best?
Grendel
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Do you think fans of Stoke and west brom are begging for their team to be relegated this season?
We did have a top 6 finish by the way
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Astute
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So what 9 years out of the last 10 did the 7th place get a place in Europe for finishing 7th? Or can you name 27 times 7th was good enough in the last 30 years?
7th place is fully dependent on which clubs win the cups. So in other words by default.
Astute
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SlowerThanPlatt
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No they aren't. However, when they eventually drop out they won't be expecting no push for promotion for 15 years in lower leagues.
Grendel
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Which was 46 years ago. That is why we haven't done it for 45 years
No he said 34 seasons in one division and not a top 6 finish.
chiefdave
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This debate raises the question of what is success?W
hen there is talk on here that we can't be competitive in the championship due to our financial situation some say believing that is not supporting the club and not wanting the club to be successful.
Could the same not apply to the PL? Is finishing one place above relegation a success?
I do sometimes wonder what the point is. The PL is supposed to be the promised land yet if we get there we have practically 0 chance of achieving anything. How much fun would it be hoping we don't get battered by the likes of Chelsea and Man City?
Would the Ricoh be full even then? Sure it would at first but would the novelty wear off? Was watching the West Brom Chelsea game and there was lots of rows of empty seats in the home end. Looking at the attendance there was over 3K empty seats in a stadium smaller than the Ricoh. Is the promised land all its cracked up to be?
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Do we not remain the only club in England to have played in every division within the football league? I believe we played in both north & south versions of the old division 3....the only club to do so?
Correct me if I'm wrong.....and if anyone can be arsed to check.
Joy Division
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Where have I mentioned wanting relegation? My post is about wanting better league finishes.
Baggies fans arent happy finishing near the bottom every season either.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Yay....Fuck you Man Utd. with your 20 titles & Liverpool with your 5 European cups.....you've never played in the 3rd division south.....up yours!
Joy Division
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The blog article is about having a winning team, you are missing the point completely.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Yeah..that would be a good stat. Everton, Arsenal & Liverpool for starters have less than us.....after that I'd have to google
Couldn't agree more Dave. The only competioin in the PL is the scramble not to go down - and then primarily for financial reasons. That's exciting season after season! As a fan, the hope never goes the "next season will be better", but eventually realism kicks in and fans get fed up.
ajsccfc
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I'll admit Alex Ferguson did alright, but I don't see any JPT on that managerial honours list!
SlowerThanPlatt
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One top 10 finish in the last 25 years. And no Grendel and co, only 10 of them were in the Premier League.
So it's one top 10 finish in the last 15 years of Championship and League One. And, still that 8th in the Championship was a bit of a let down - points wise we finished closer to 20th than 6th.
So it's one top 10 finish in the last 15 years of Championship and League One. And, still that 8th in the Championship was a bit of a let down - points wise we finished closer to 20th than 6th.
We finished best of the rest that season (courtesy of Denis Wise), but never challenged the top six. A bit of an outlier that skews the data in my view.
Grendel
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No you are missing the point.
The aspiration is to be in the premier league and stay in it. Even Europe qualification outside the champions league is sneered at and fans don't want it. Big clubs see it as a curse and the likes of West Ham treat it as an excercise to play their youth team.
That's it. The vast majority want mediocrity as long as it's top level
covcity4life
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you are missing the point grendel
the majority of fans are not saying they prefer l1 success to prem survival. what we are saying is we are one of the few clubs to not have had a season of WINNING to experience.
how can you deny that is some joy we have missed out on? you are trolling. most people agree that prem status is success, but its not WINNING. thats all.
the majority of fans are not saying they prefer l1 success to prem survival. what we are saying is we are one of the few clubs to not have had a season of WINNING to experience.
how can you deny that is some joy we have missed out on? you are trolling. most people agree that prem status is success, but its not WINNING. thats all.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Championship finishing places:
11th, 20th, 12th, 19th, 8th, 17th, 21st, 17th, 19th, 18th, 23rd
League One finishing places:
15th, 18th, 17th
In the last 15 years we've only finished in the top half 3 times...
11th, 20th, 12th, 19th, 8th, 17th, 21st, 17th, 19th, 18th, 23rd
League One finishing places:
15th, 18th, 17th
In the last 15 years we've only finished in the top half 3 times...
..And there is gthe outlier that skews the data.
The record shows that we consistently have nothing to look forward to
Covstu
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Not sure you can sayi finishing 8th skews the data, if we finished 8th we finished 8th even if it was about 20 points off 6th place!
It all makes depressing reading, we would all take prem relegation battles again but the fact of the matter is that we a lightyears away from this place. We had 30 years of that and probably our fans were guilty of taking that for granted given the position we are in now. Our fans crave success in any form, look at Crewe in the JPT a full house in the expectation of winning something. It would make my decade just to even sneak through to the championship never mind win it.
Our current fans are the epitomy of loyal given our last 15 years of failure.
covcity4life
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i defo took prem for granted
if we ever get back and i will watch motd 1000 times and never delete it. will jsut buy more sky boxes.
if we ever get back and i will watch motd 1000 times and never delete it. will jsut buy more sky boxes.
Astute
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You are certainly missing the point. We have had mediocrity for 45 years whatever level we have been in.
Joy Division
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I think you are having a conversation in your own head here Grendel. Again you are missing the point of the actual blog post, perhaps read it?
Its not about being in the premier league, it about having a winning team.
SlowerThanPlatt
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In our last 6 years of the Championship we never finished above 17th. It's almost funny. And we still had 16-18,000 turning up every week even when we knew it was going to be another relegation battle. Coventry City fans define loyalty.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Who remembers that season we nearly went down the year before and all we signed were 2 free agent goalkeepers for the new season (Dunn and Murphy?)
That just about sums up SISU/the club for me
That just about sums up SISU/the club for me
Maybe doesn't skew, but certainly an outlier that can be ignored in view of the rest of the data
As stated by Platt, having those 16 -18k does show a great degree of loyalty
torchomatic
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Now that I agree with. What I don't agree with is the mentality of some that we have some right to be up there. Have a right to beat say, Walsall, because "hell, we're Coventry". The Premiership days are long gone and they may not return for a long time, if ever. Regardless of whether it is SISU or anyone else who owns us.
That's why when we finished 8th once we should take it as that, not start making piss poor excuses like "yeah but we were nearer whatever place". We finished 8th.
That's why when we finished 8th once we should take it as that, not start making piss poor excuses like "yeah but we were nearer whatever place". We finished 8th.
Astute
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It was a good end to the season. Without Wise it would have been another relegation battle. I just hope that we don't have to wait for another player like Wise to join us before we finish in 8th again.
I was fortunate to have been born at a time when we were on the up, actually getting into the 1st division. I was lucky to see the Premiership years, 2 trips to Wembley and visited some great stadia and pubs. Some younger fans now will probably never see the top division football played in the city. Added to that the bombardment on TV of the glamour clubs, not only from this country; is it any wonder kids wear tops other than Sky Blue. Talking to them about the Premiership is like telling me about Clarrie Bourton; a great record but somewhat intangible. I salute all those younger fans and sincerely hope you can enjoy some success, no matter how short-lived. You certainly deserve it. Onwards and upwards. PUSB
covcity4life
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i see grendel is now avoiding this thread. just cant bring himself to admit he missed the point of the blog.
Grendel
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No the point is crap as it states the fact the club was in the top flight for 30 years is not relevant.
If the club had never been relegated then the article would be laughable as the club would have by definition been one of the most successful in the country for top flight football.