Liquid Gold
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you can start by donating money and food to validated sources, petitioning your government and MP to take action. Encourage companies who make vast profits to get involved with the relief effort
Refugees welcome? (3 Viewers)
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simonregis
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What an absolutely wonderful thread and hats off to all of you guys.
We are all refugees of sort and we all just trying to survive. You cannot seperate one thing from another and when people say politics and sports shouldn't mix it is only in their eyes.
THANK YOU guys for putting a touch of reality into our daily lives. I remember 30 odd years ago people were talking about a certain man who was imprisoned in South Africa and it was through 'people power' that governments had to act. A football stadium is part of the community and WE SHOULD ALL do our bit to let our voices be heard.
We are all refugees of sort and we all just trying to survive. You cannot seperate one thing from another and when people say politics and sports shouldn't mix it is only in their eyes.
THANK YOU guys for putting a touch of reality into our daily lives. I remember 30 odd years ago people were talking about a certain man who was imprisoned in South Africa and it was through 'people power' that governments had to act. A football stadium is part of the community and WE SHOULD ALL do our bit to let our voices be heard.
Liquid Gold
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The ideological world cup could be a laugh though
Nick
Administrator
Where does it stop though?
skybluetony176
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On a scale of 1-10 what is the likelihood of that ever happening? I'm going for -10
Nick
Administrator
To take what action though? This is what I am trying to find out?
Where will the food and money go? Will 100% of it reach a needy family. Having worked at charities I very much doubt it.
Samo
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You remember that scene in 'Life of Brian' where Brian is about to be crucified and the young woman is imploring the group to take action but they refuse because they must first call an emergency meeting and pass a motion?
magic82ball
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There is no choice sick boy, we have an obligation to help regardless of our concerns.
If by what you say, you mean you are happy for the UK to be watered down in terms of health service, schooling etc. to make it a more 'equal' world then that is were we differ. Inequality I would imagine doesn't bother you to greatly either I would assume unless you donate a vast portion of your salary each month to the less fortunate? Otherwise it's just words mate. No action.
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Samo
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This is no more to do with politics than any other issue you idiot.
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Nick
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Nope, never seen it.
skybluetony176
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Where does what stop? Being compassionate?
magic82ball
New Member
Because there isn't the opportunity for them there as there would be in the UK. Making them less a refugee and more an economic migrant...
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SlowerThanPlatt
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True, it's not very likely. However, when you let politics come into football, then you can't not let other parties protest too. I'm sure not everyone in the ground agrees with the plea, just like not everyone agrees with the EDL or BNP.
magic82ball
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Yeah fuck it, while we're at it let's turn that spare room of yours into a safe haven as well, we don't need it like they do after all.
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Nick
Administrator
Calling for events at football matches because of it.
Nick
Administrator
The thing is I am sure 100% agree they should be helped, the difference is in how.
Samo
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Hey, just trying to inject some perspective.
Samo
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You understand my point though right?
SlowerThanPlatt
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Just out of interest, if 8,000 fans at the next home game turned up with refugees not welcome banners...would this be acceptable? Probably not.
So on that basis refugees welcome, should also not be acceptable.
If you wish to support/not support welcoming refugees, then there's usually at least one demonstration a week or someone with a megaphone at various locations in Coventry City centre.
Nick
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It is what I am trying to figure out from people who know more than me, if somebody crosses the border and goes to the nearest "safe" place to beg for help I understand it. Why are people going further and further?
magic82ball
New Member
As am i, were all selfish beings, we wouldn't survive if we weren't.
We don't need our back garden but I'll be fucked before I give up my one bbq a year.
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Nick
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Not really, it isn't a new issue is it? I could understand if a bomb had gone off or a natural disaster that nobody knew about etc.
simonregis
New Member
I ask the question, when should it start though?
The club, I believe, represent the community and if the community want to send a message to support these people who are basically doing what any law abiding citizen would do, which is to survive and make a life for their families, then it is our duty to make a statement.
Politicians want an apathetic society so they can go about their business as 'they' choose. It is the duty of every citizen to embrace democracy and part of that duty is to vote and to voice, as a community, their feelings as a group. A football stadium is like a pub in that it is a place where the community meet and express themselves. If pubs had been no go areas for talk of politics then we would not have had the democracy we now enjoy today.
Liquid Gold
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If you get involved in a grassroots campaign like somebody mentioned earlier then I'm sure the vast majority will get through.
On the other had if you want to donate money to a charity, you can expect some of that to be spent on staffing costs. Isn't it wise however for an international aid relief organisation to employ people who are experts in the region and geopolitical situation and at disaster management to ensure that the funds are channeled exactly to where they are needed. You could end up with a situation where 100% of funds go into the wrong hands
ajsccfc
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Being for something and against something aren't automatically equal.
Samo
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You'd feel the same way if Myton Hospice were collecting I assume?
torchomatic
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skybluetony176
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I would have thought that the answer to that is pretty clear. By doing more.
magic82ball
New Member
This is the crux of the debate Nick, if it's all about safety, then surely France would be as equally a safe haven than the UK, yet they are risking life to cross the boarder, why? Because they believe they will have a better life in the uk. I don't blame them one jot, I would be the same, but let's not pretend they want to enter these shores purely for safety reasons.
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Nick
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Funny that, your reply isn't very clear at all is it?
Samo
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I think we could 'survive' quite nicely whist being a lot less selfish.
Harry Krishner
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No refugees.
This is not a European problem, although it has been turned into one by picking them up in the Med and dumping them in Greece- the EU country least able to deal with it. They should have been towed back to north Africa from the beginning- dumping them in Greece/Italy is merely encouraging more to come. Hard- but the only solution likely to work long-term.
Stop patronising the Arabs- they aren't idiots, and it's about time they sorted their own problems out.
KG7- please do not fly your ill-conceived banner- you feel so bad about it, you go out and join Peshmerga and fight IS.
This is not a European problem, although it has been turned into one by picking them up in the Med and dumping them in Greece- the EU country least able to deal with it. They should have been towed back to north Africa from the beginning- dumping them in Greece/Italy is merely encouraging more to come. Hard- but the only solution likely to work long-term.
Stop patronising the Arabs- they aren't idiots, and it's about time they sorted their own problems out.
KG7- please do not fly your ill-conceived banner- you feel so bad about it, you go out and join Peshmerga and fight IS.
Samo
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Twat or Troll? Place your bets.
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
No you're right its not a European problem, its a human problem. If you're not a human then don't worry about it.
skybluetony176
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OK. It's the opposite of doing less or nothing. Which is pretty much where we as a nation have been until now. A change in rhetoric from our Goverment is a good start but action is now needed. We need to be following the example set not just by the German goverment but institutions and the people also. It's embarissing the atitude of people in this country, it's only the last day or so that the media has stopped calling them immigrants and started calling them what they are, refugees. I don't understand why people are so abrasive to the idea of helping people in need. Hiding behind excuses like we're full, bollocks, the refugee camps in Turkey are full. we have enough issue's of our own, bollocks, in camparison we have no issue's. I could go on and on with the list of inept excuses.