Council's top solicitor quits (19 Viewers)

[hamil99]

The same as if a builder wolf whistles (which I agree isn't really going to get far with most women) it is disgusting, but if it is women looking at a builder they make a coke advert out of it

Too true. In an age of equal rights, there definitely seems to be some double standards.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Is that right?

If so the days of paying a complement to a female are over. And do you think her response would have been the same if he was half his age and good looking? The photo was a head shot. He said she looked stunning. Nothing else. Maybe she knows that she is very average in looks. Maybe she thought he was taking the piss. But saying someone looks stunning is not sexist. But to most this will look bad on her. And it will take equality back if it goes much further.

I suppose I will get called a SISU lover now

It is a business network, not Facebook or some other site. Yes, I think that her response would have been the same had he been a similar age and good looking.

The days of paying women compliments are hardly over, luckily society is starting to move on from the outdated ways of the past.

 

[Shakeitup]

It is a business network, not Facebook or some other site. Yes, I think that her response would have been the same had he been a similar age and good looking.

The days of paying women compliments are hardly over, luckily society is starting to move on from the outdated ways of the past.

Wrong place to 'pay her a compliment', true. However, she does have a professional picture (nothing wrong with that, but it is head and shoulders (literally) about the standard picture on there. Moreover, she has her own agenda. Feminist. Anti-pornography. Etc. She's clearly intelligent and articulate. The most idiotic thing he has done is to give her further ammunition for her agenda.

Men are evil. Dieeeeeeee.

 

[SBT]

What has literally never happened? A woman being "sexist" towards a man?

If some lawyer (male or female) on LinkedIn decided to show off their torso/sixpack in their profile picture then there might be a better argument for justifying comments on their appearance. As I said, I doubt a male lawyer has ever deliberately done that on LinkedIn, let alone received unwelcome attention for it, but maybe you frequent different websites to me.

As it is, this woman's picture wasn't suggestive in the slightest, but unfortunately that didn't stop some old fart from making unwanted comments anyway. For you to suggest that she secretly likes the attention makes you look like just as much of a dinosaur.

 

[hamil99]

To be honest i work in a business sector now ( on-line gaming, sportsbook etc) and Linkedin is seen as a dating app for business people.

 

[Nick]

If some lawyer (male or female) on LinkedIn decided to show off their torso/sixpack in their profile picture then there might be a better argument for justifying comments on their appearance. As I said, I doubt a male lawyer has ever deliberately done that on LinkedIn, let alone received unwelcome attention for it, but maybe you frequent different websites to me.

As it is, this woman's picture wasn't suggestive in the slightest, but unfortunately that didn't stop some old fart from making unwanted comments anyway. For you to suggest that she secretly likes the attention makes you look like just as much of a dinosaur.

I didn't mean the attention from him, I meant the attention this situation has brought her.

 

[Nick]

Wrong place to 'pay her a compliment', true. However, she does have a professional picture (nothing wrong with that, but it is head and shoulders (literally) about the standard picture on there. Moreover, she has her own agenda. Feminist. Anti-pornography. Etc. She's clearly intelligent and articulate. The most idiotic thing he has done is to give her further ammunition for her agenda.

Men are evil. Dieeeeeeee.

I agree, why would you pick a feminist to send it to?

 

[Sick Boy]

If some lawyer (male or female) on LinkedIn decided to show off their torso/sixpack in their profile picture then there might be a better argument for justifying comments on their appearance. As I said, I doubt a male lawyer has ever deliberately done that on LinkedIn, let alone received unwelcome attention for it, but maybe you frequent different websites to me.

As it is, this woman's picture wasn't suggestive in the slightest, but unfortunately that didn't stop some old fart from making unwanted comments anyway. For you to suggest that she secretly likes the attention makes you look like just as much of a dinosaur.

I agree.

The number of men who seem to think that good looking women are constantly asking for attention just by walking around is rather concerning. Most of them don't get a chance to speak to them though so it's hardly surprising that their desperate minds run wild.

 

[Nick]

I agree.

The number of men who seem to think that good looking women are constantly asking for attention just by walking around is rather concerning. Most of them don't get a chance to speak to them though so it's hardly surprising that their desperate minds run wild.

Who has said that though? I meant the attention she has got from the situation, not from him.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

BOOBS!!!

Wa-heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

 

[Sick Boy]

Who has said that though? I meant the attention she has got from the situation, not from him.

Wasn't talking about you in particular, only in general.

 

[SBT]

I didn't mean the attention from him, I meant the attention this situation has brought her.

While I'm sure she's pleased to have exposed idiots who still make excuses for this kind of stuff, I somehow think she'd be happier if it never happened in the first place. But nevermind, you carry on trying to undermine her in the meantime.

 

[Nick]

While I'm sure she's pleased to have exposed idiots who still make excuses for this kind of stuff, I somehow think she'd be happier if it never happened in the first place. But nevermind, you carry on trying to undermine her in the meantime.

Christ, I could understand if he had sexually attacked her but he has sent her a message on linked in saying she is attractive, I very much doubt it is going to scar her for life.

In fact, it seems to be on par with some of her views which is why her twitter is going hell for leather and it was straight to the press.

We aren't talking about a victim here, he sent here a message saying she was attractive. If he had stalked her and made her life a misery I would agree with you.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Christ, I could understand if he had sexually attacked her but he has sent her a message on linked in saying she is attractive, I very much doubt it is going to scar her for life.

In fact, it seems to be on par with some of her views which is why her twitter is going hell for leather and it was straight to the press.

We aren't talking about a victim here, he sent here a message saying she was attractive. If he had stalked her and made her life a misery I would agree with you.

Can't argue with that Nick, agreed.

 

[Sick Boy]

Christ, I could understand if he had sexually attacked her but he has sent her a message on linked in saying she is attractive, I very much doubt it is going to scar her for life.

In fact, it seems to be on par with some of her views which is why her twitter is going hell for leather and it was straight to the press.

We aren't talking about a victim here, he sent here a message saying she was attractive. If he had stalked her and made her life a misery I would agree with you.

It's the whole undermining of women in a professional capacity though; it is completely unprofessional and not appropriate. It may have worked for the old gits 30 or 40 years ago, but most people have more respect for women these days. It's like those tossers who think that just because a woman is dressed up and wearing make up she wants to sleep with them.

 

[Nick]

It's the whole undermining of women in a professional capacity though; it is completely unprofessional and not appropriate. It may have worked for the old gits 30 or 40 years ago, but most people have more respect for women these days. It's like those tossers who think that just because a woman is dressed up and wearing make up she wants to sleep with them.

Oh I agree it was a schoolboy error. It was straight out of the dirty old men textbook and looks like he probably copy and pasted it to a few different people.

We shouldn't really act like she is a massive victim though.

Ever seen a Fireman go into an office where there is women when they are just trying to do their job? I have, they said more than they look good.

 

[Cov City Daytrader 87]

Seems like she loves a bit of the attention about it all too.

Dread to think what it would be a look if it was some good looking bloke with a 6 pack with women drooling over him.

She insecure!

 

[Sick Boy]

Oh I agree it was a schoolboy error. It was straight out of the dirty old men textbook and looks like he probably copy and pasted it to a few different people.

We shouldn't really act like she is a massive victim though.

Ever seen a Fireman go into an office where there is women when they are just trying to do their job? I have, they said more than they look good.

I had similar experiences with working in Italy, they are a lot more reactive to physical beauty Let's not try and downplay centuries of sexism and objectification though. Women face this everyday even when just walking down the street.

 

[SBT]

Christ, I could understand if he had sexually attacked her but he has sent her a message on linked in saying she is attractive, I very much doubt it is going to scar her for life.

In fact, it seems to be on par with some of her views which is why her twitter is going hell for leather and it was straight to the press.

We aren't talking about a victim here, he sent here a message saying she was attractive. If he had stalked her and made her life a misery I would agree with you.

So your opinion, based on (presumably) no experience of this ever happening to you, is that you should just get over it. Her opinion, shared by countless other women for whom this is a regular occurrence, is that it's a nuisance at best, degrading at worst. Maybe I'm being too generous, or maybe your assumptions about how women feel are more accurate than I'm giving you credit for, but I usually prefer to listen to people who know what they're talking about.

 

[Nick]

So your opinion, based on (presumably) no experience of this ever happening to you, is that you should just get over it. Her opinion, shared by countless other women for whom this is a regular occurrence, is that it's a nuisance at best, degrading at worst. Maybe I'm being too generous, or maybe your assumptions about how women feel are more accurate than I'm giving you credit for, but I usually prefer to listen to people who know what they're talking about.

Get over what, somebody sending her a message saying she looks nice? Is there anything to get over?

Yes it was unprofessional and the wrong place. (I dont know too much about linked in).

I would like to think the woman would deal with it with a witty put down or reply, I dont see the need to run to the press (same if it was a man). Like I said, it backed up her feminist views which is why it is everywhere.

Let's be serious though, he said he had a nice picture. At most he was being a bit sleazy, he hasn't sexually attacked her, he hasn't stalked her. If he had turned her down for a job based on her looks, her race or religion, then it is out of order.

I'm not outraged, the same as I'm not outraged when I see a fireman getting ogled over or men in offices. Maybe I am just a bit thicker skinned.

 

[armybike]

Get over what, somebody sending her a message saying she looks nice? Is there anything to get over?

Yes it was unprofessional and the wrong place. (I dont know too much about linked in).

I would like to think the woman would deal with it with a witty put down or reply, I dont see the need to run to the press (same if it was a man). Like I said, it backed up her feminist views which is why it is everywhere.

Let's be serious though, he said he had a nice picture. At most he was being a bit sleazy, he hasn't sexually attacked her, he hasn't stalked her. If he had turned her down for a job based on her looks, her race or religion, then it is out of order.

I'm not outraged, the same as I'm not outraged when I see a fireman getting ogled over or men in offices. Maybe I am just a bit thicker skinned.

Yeah, bloody feminist constantly on the look out from men making unwelcome comments via LinkedIn.

Well, actually making politically incorrect comments about the professional nature of the photograph (apparently!).

She needs a slap on the arse and just move on.

 

[Nick]

Yeah, bloody feminist constantly on the look out from men making unwelcome comments via LinkedIn.

Well, actually making politically incorrect comments about the professional nature of the photograph (apparently!).

She needs a slap on the arse and just move on.

I didn't say she was on the lookout. I am just saying I am pretty sure it hasn't damaged her in any way or ruined her life. I said it played into her views perfectly didn't it?

It would be like a campaigner against Immigration getting mugged by a refugee or something wouldn't it?

Imagine if a Fireman or a good looking policeman who goes into an office and gets comments goes to the press? Have a look at that prisoner in America who is good looking and how the women behaved about it.

 

[SBT]

Get over what, somebody sending her a message saying she looks nice? Is there anything to get over?

Yes it was unprofessional and the wrong place. (I dont know too much about linked in).

I would like to think the woman would deal with it with a witty put down or reply, I dont see the need to run to the press (same if it was a man). Like I said, it backed up her feminist views which is why it is everywhere.

Let's be serious though, he said he had a nice picture. At most he was being a bit sleazy, he hasn't sexually attacked her, he hasn't stalked her.

I'm not outraged, the same as I'm not outraged when I see a fireman getting ogled over or men in offices. Maybe I am just a bit thicker skinned.

Why should she have to "deal with it"? Many women feel it represents a wider problem where they are consistently objectified and harassed when they're just trying to do their job, something which makes networking more difficult than it already is. This idea that it's the woman's problem for being offended is such an almighty copout. Either way, she didn't "run to the press", she complained about it on Twitter. The press picked it up because they're aware of the fact it's an issue for lots of women.

As for the argument that it's somehow ok because some men also get objectified - tedious beyond belief. If you honestly think there isn't a disproportionate problem with men harassing women, do some reading and come back when you know what you're talking about. Alternatively, feel free to ask some more rhetorical questions and move the goalposts until you're happy with your uninformed opinion.

 

[armybike]

I didn't say she was on the lookout. I am just saying I am pretty sure it hasn't damaged her in any way or ruined her life. I said it played into her views perfectly didn't it?

It would be like a campaigner against Immigration getting mugged by a refugee or something wouldn't it?

Imagine if a Fireman or a good looking policeman who goes into an office and gets comments goes to the press? Have a look at that prisoner in America who is good looking and how the women behaved about it.

Did she go to the press? I'd thought she'd posted comments online and the press had picked it up, which seems to be an increasing tread to fill column inches.

Also, if the comment(s) were so innocent then why has he tried to claim she's got the wrong end of the stick and he was on about the quality of the presentation, rather than her looking "stunning"

Thick or thin skinned, people shouldn't have to be expected to accepted unwanted attention in professional circumstances either via LinkedIn, email, text or face-to-face, especially when the person makes the comment is obviously aware it's inappropriate/politically incorrect.

 

[Nick]

Did she go to the press? I'd thought she'd posted comments online and the press had picked it up, which seems to be an increasing tread to fill column inches.

Also, if the comment(s) were so innocent then why has he tried to claim she's got the wrong end of the stick and he was on about the quality of the presentation, rather than her looking "stunning"

Thick or thin skinned, people shouldn't have to be expected to accepted unwanted attention in professional circumstances either via LinkedIn, email, text or face-to-face, especially when the person makes the comment is obviously aware it's inappropriate/politically incorrect.

I haven't said he was innocent, I just don't buy into the faux outrage. it's obvious he was trying to crack on too her.if it was sexually explicit then there would be reason.

 

[Sick Boy]

There shouldn't be outrage because sadly it is a common element of society. Yet a lot of men think it is fair game and judge women by their looks. How many tomes do you the sexually-unfulfilled saying 'she was asking for it' - why for wearing a skirt?!

 

[Nick]

There shouldn't be outrage because sadly it is a common element of society. Yet a lot of men think it is fair game and judge women by their looks. How many tomes do you the sexually-unfulfilled saying 'she was asking for it' - why for wearing a skirt?!

So women don't do it also?

I'm not saying I agree that if a woman wears a skirt she is mad for it either, it works both ways too.

I just don't get the outrage and offended over everything trend.

 

[Sick Boy]

So women don't do it also?

I'm not saying I agree that if a woman wears a skirt she is mad for it either, it works both ways too.

I just don't get the outrage and offended over everything trend.

It's not highly offensive but it represents dinosaur attitudes that still exist within society.

 

[armybike]

I haven't said he was innocent, I just don't buy into the faux outrage. it's obvious he was trying to crack on too her.if it was sexually explicit then there would be reason.

So a women highlighting this kind of unwanted/unwelcome approach is faux outrage?

Because it didn't reach your benchmark of inappropriate, she just needs to move on.

Back in the kitchen women!

 

[SBT]

So women don't do it also?

Hardly ever. What year was that Diet Coke campaign everyone likes to bring up in this argument? 1997?

 

[Nick]

Hardly ever. What year was that Diet Coke campaign everyone likes to bring up in this argument? 1997?

So women don't do it hardly ever? Having worked in an office and different offices I can safely say they do.

 

[Sick Boy]

So women don't do it hardly ever? Having worked in an office and different offices I can safely say they do.

Most of the ones that do are as desperate as the dinosaur lawyer, and it is much smaller percentage than the number of men who do it.

 

[Astute]

Most of the ones that do are as desperate as the dinosaur lawyer, and it is much smaller percentage than the number of men who do it.

What are you trying to say?

He said she looked stunning. Nothing else. I frequently pay women complements. I even do it in front of my wife. I am not a dinosaur as you put it. I have women come up and chat me up. It has even happened in front of the kids when the wife goes to the bar or similar. Should I report the women for being sexist or making derogatory remarks?

 

[Sick Boy]

What are you trying to say?

He said she looked stunning. Nothing else. I frequently pay women complements. I even do it in front of my wife. I am not a dinosaur as you put it. I have women come up and chat me up. It has even happened in front of the kids when the wife goes to the bar or similar. Should I report the women for being sexist or making derogatory remarks?

It is the fact that on a professional networking site he decided to send a comment like that to a woman half his age. Fair enough, if they were on a dating website then I can see your point of view. Do you think it is right that a woman is immediately judged on her looks by a man twice her age? It wasn't appropriate at all.

I can only imagine it is a difference in generations. I do not understand why you are comparing your own experiences in a bar to a woman's business profile on a business networking site? Strange.

 

[Moff]

As for the argument that it's somehow ok because some men also get objectified - tedious beyond belief. If you honestly think there isn't a disproportionate problem with men harassing women, do some reading and come back when you know what you're talking about. Alternatively, feel free to ask some more rhetorical questions and move the goalposts until you're happy with your uninformed opinion.

I as a male have been subjected to similar, it wasnt pleasant but then I didnt seem to feel it was 'tedious beyond belief' as women suffer more. Thats a bit of a cop out really and certainly doesnt seem to offer an objective balanced view.

In my experience harrassment cases are equally from men as from women, despite what you have read. Thats from many years of legal experience. I wonder if you are a little less informed than you claim.