SkyBlue_Bear83
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You've already decided what he meant and what his intentions were, truth is you have no idea and are just spouting rubbish.
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You've already decided what he meant and what his intentions were, truth is you have no idea and are just spouting rubbish.
Nick
Administrator
Of course, for names sake if you were a director at Tesco and you were making their name look bad in the press with things like this they wouldn't be too happy.
It was inappropriate, not sexist.
What happens if somebody walks past a receptionist and say they look gorgeous today?
In this case, it isn't as bad as being made out. I am not doubting that sexism goes on in companies and does really bother people and ruin lives, just talking about this case.
They are both lawyers, so lets examine this like lawyers would.
First his statement:
One side would argue:
There is nothing to suggest the message is sexist, it clearly is a compliment about the quality of the picture. There are no references to her looks, her clothing, her hair, her smile, her body. Anybody thinking this is anything else than a congratulation on a great quality picture is speculating.
And a few hours ago when I first read it I was firmly on that side. If she found the comment abusive and sexists then she was dreaming (or hoping).
But ...
There's something in his comment that doesn't make sense.
He knows his remark is political incorrect. He says so.
How can a comment on the technical quality of a picture be political incorrect?
On the other hand, a comment on the object in the picture can well be political incorrect.
So my verdict is:
He is clearly commenting on the object - her. Not the technical quality of the picture. It is a sexist remark, and he should apologize.
First his statement:
One side would argue:
There is nothing to suggest the message is sexist, it clearly is a compliment about the quality of the picture. There are no references to her looks, her clothing, her hair, her smile, her body. Anybody thinking this is anything else than a congratulation on a great quality picture is speculating.
And a few hours ago when I first read it I was firmly on that side. If she found the comment abusive and sexists then she was dreaming (or hoping).
But ...
There's something in his comment that doesn't make sense.
He knows his remark is political incorrect. He says so.
How can a comment on the technical quality of a picture be political incorrect?
On the other hand, a comment on the object in the picture can well be political incorrect.
So my verdict is:
He is clearly commenting on the object - her. Not the technical quality of the picture. It is a sexist remark, and he should apologize.
Yes.
The position of receiving such a message. One that he openly admits is politically incorrect. You're the one who has several times taken this to a sexual encounter situation, I'm not sure why. Who knows.
Having an opinion that doesn't match with yours doesn't mean I'm over reacting. It's called a debate.
SkyBlue_Bear83
Well-Known Member
I've heard way worse said between colleagues at work.
And he said it over the internet in a private message
Nick
Administrator
Is telling somebody they are stunning classed as sexist though? I am not doubting he was talking about her, it was stupid.
She makes a point of bringing his age into it in her reply, which didn't really have anything to do with it.
So because I don't agree with you I'm spouting rubbish? #slowhandclap
Nick
Administrator
She received a message basically saying she was stunning. Yes it was stupid, I am pretty sure he now knows it was stupid.
Surely she could have dealt with it a bit better by damaging the silly old man's pride a little bit?
I have taken it to the sexual encounter situation because some of the reactions to it are as if that has happened.
Grendel
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Well they are on dodgy ground.
If anyone who works for me did that we'd have a serious conversation and the best they could hope for is the opportunity not to do it again.
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Jack Griffin
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Most of the comments on the Cov Tel website article about this are not exactly PC. #OnTheBuses
SkyBlue_Bear83
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No because your argument is weak and based on opinion and assumption
It was a misplaced comment, not a comment that would be universally accepted as offensive. It's a massive overreaction and he's being made an example of for the exact purpose of getting debates like this going.
Nick
Administrator
Don't think I have ever worked anywhere where I haven't heard things like it from both sexes.
You would walk into some places and they would have Hollyoaks Calendars with men with their tops off or firemen or something.
I think the main thing is how it is dealt with.
If you start sacking people because they talked about somebodys arse for example, then you need to start sacking the receptionist for saying the postman looked nice today in his shorts. You then have to stop people from discussing their personal lives in the work place because if a woman had a date with a really fit bloke, it may offend somebody. Then if some people there who like to kiss on the cheek when they greet people, they need to be warned as that makes people uncomfortable.
Sick Boy
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What do you mean it's because of the jobs they do? It's has been proven that men and women earn different amounts in the same job or are you disputing this?
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Equality has too many rulesif only it was just treat everybody the same no matter what sex, color or religion. That's what I was taught, but seems like politically correct the more rules.
Perhaps he'll mail your LinkedIn page then, if he wants to treat everyone the same...
Nick
Administrator
He could if I had one, I'd probably be less offended if he tried it on with me.
letsallsingtogether
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So because she works for the council she is scum.
You are a twat.
The inference has been that she 'ran to the press' and has been mentioned within this thread.
She posted a comment on Twitter and like more and more stories within the media these days this was how it was picked up.
He then released a statement via a City law message board, which even more people within that line of work would have seen, compare to her Tweet.
His statement was also clearly a load of old shite, taking into account his 'politically incorrect' comment in the original message.
Yet again she's being blamed for this going public. Seems to me he's equally, if not more, to blame.
Nick
Administrator
Didn't she make it public the moment it is tweeted? I'd say for an intelligent woman she knew it was starting a witch hunt. Funny how she wants a public apology and not just an apology?
Some of her retweets could also be classed as mocking him.
Does it mean what he sent was ok? No it was stupid.
So this isn't an over-reaction?
I'd say she has got exactly the reaction she wanted when posting it and knew exactly how it would be.
SkyBlue_Bear83
Well-Known Member
No wonder all dating is moving online as apparently this is the only place where it is acceptable to comment on another persons appearance, people are probably too scared to do it in person in case people take offense.
At the end of the day a man is a man and a woman is a woman regardless of what role they have in society, human nature designed us to be attracted to the opposite sex. Personally I don't think it should be a massive issue to give a man or a woman a compliment on there appearance as long as done respectfully.
Next time I get a hair cut or people comment on my beard I'm going to act massively offended if anyone in work mentions it.
At the end of the day a man is a man and a woman is a woman regardless of what role they have in society, human nature designed us to be attracted to the opposite sex. Personally I don't think it should be a massive issue to give a man or a woman a compliment on there appearance as long as done respectfully.
Next time I get a hair cut or people comment on my beard I'm going to act massively offended if anyone in work mentions it.
My argument is based on the facts before us, because it doesn't match up with your opinion doesn't make it weak.
He started the sentence by highlighting what was coming next was politically incorrect. As a clearly educated man he should have pressed delete at this point. He didn't he pressed send, therefore the consequences are all as a result of his actions.
You thinking it's a massive overreaction is your opinion. The fact it's lead to debates such as this, in my opinion, is a good thing.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
When was the last time you went up to an attractive woman in the street and told her how beautiful she is? Go on, give it a try. I can guarantee that she will think that you are a sleazy creep.
I am just waiting for someone to post that it is fair game to 'touch a bird's arse if you're pissed and she is wearing a short skirt'.
So he's a silly old man and she's an intelligent woman? That's a bit politically incorrect isn't it? And sexist! Right, I'm off to Twitter with a screengrab.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
This is another example:
Her comment:
:thinking about:
The point is that it is a business site, not a site for women to have to deal with remarks about their appearance. It is unacceptable and unprofessional.
Nick
Administrator
It probably is, the difference is I wouldn't say that and then be offended if somebody said something to me.
It seems to be factually correct though, he can be classed as old and he has been silly with this. She is obviously intelligent and is a woman.
Nick
Administrator
I was disagreeing with the comments about it being threatening where it is over reacting and exaggerating.
The point is that it isn't somebody trying it on on Linked In, it is somebody being threatening about throwing acid in faces when it clearly wasn't meant like that.
Nick
Administrator
They probably would, some would probably take it as a compliment. I guess it depends on the context and who would be saying it.
I bet it would be a different reaction if it was Brad Pitt saying it compared to John McCririck.
I very much doubt not many of them would be so outraged and offended by it though if it was just a man saying she looked beautiful.
(That is about saying they are beautiful, not feeling their arse. Touching is a completely different situation entirely isn't it?)
Your portraying him as the downtrodden anti-hero!
He's smarmy and she didn't buy into it.
The "politically incorrect" comment left him wide open. He know what he's doing is wrong. That's the overriding point to me.
Also people making mention of 'this happens in every office', these two don't work together, they're just in the same line of business. So he's made this comment to someone he's got no (or very little) knowledge of.
Yes people do end up in relationship or become fuck buddies in offices, but there are several steps before it gets to this point.
Nick
Administrator
Nope, not a hero. It seems to be her being portrayed as a girl power hero and he is some sort of sex predator.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Why did he make the comment?
Nick
Administrator
I suspect he was trying it on or he thought she would be flattered by it. Either way it was stupid and I can't suddenly see her ( or anybody ) going weak at the knees over it.
SkyBlue_Bear83
Well-Known Member
Maybe they would think you are a creep, but is that because they would actually be offended/didn't like what was said or is it because it would now be considered unusual/odd/weird as we are constantly told we can't do these things and they aren't socially acceptable. I probably wouldn't do that myself but think it should be an issue if others want to, as long as they are aren't rude and don't harass them.
Rusty Trombone
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I think you've misread the message, no one is threatening to throw acid in faces.
The man is writing that the woman has shown acidity (sourness) at the compliment he thought he was making.
Nick
Administrator
I didn't misread it. I knew what it meant.
I posted the comment from the lady involved in this where she said it was threatening.