December Stadium Deadline (17 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

As an aside, it strikes me as astonishing both sides seem content to let the other set the agenda.

CCC seem quite happy to allow the club to say they'll move somewhere other than CCC boundaries, the club seem quite happy to allow CCC to say there's nowhere suitable for a stadium.

Now, personally,I'd have thought this always needs the swiftest resolution, and surely that requires the last vestiges of chancing and shystering to be blown away from the club by CCC showing there can indeed be a ground in the city, surely from the club POV it needs them to identify potential sites in the city and show us all which ones could work if they could get agreement with CCC. If the club had a genuine site across the county border they'd turn public opinion by declaring it - not like any rival bidder would suddenly see a massive pace of land they hadn't noticed, is it.

If one did either and the other party didn't follow, then that... would be that. I don't mean the dodgy game playing over the rental deals for the Ricoh either, when it was all smoke, mirrors, and headlines, but actual worked efforts.

Now, I appreciated in a financially straightened time the council can't really do that... but surely they could at least say they'd like to include the club in the next local plan? Can't we do away with the nonsensical deadlines, accept it's a decade needed to sort everything but... start trying to sort it?

What's depressing is neither side seems to want to push it, which suggests neither side thinks there's much weight in public numbers to get behind such a project. Personally I don't think that's true, I think enough people care in some form about the club to make it something worth fighting over but... if I'm wrong, and they're right, then the club really does have a problem.

 

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[SkyBlue_Bear83]

As an aside, it strikes me as astonishing both sides seem content to let the other set the agenda.

CCC seem quite happy to allow the club to say they'll move somewhere other than CCC boundaries, the club seem quite happy to allow CCC to say there's nowhere suitable for a stadium.

Now, personally,I'd have thought this always needs the swiftest resolution, and surely that requires the last vestiges of chancing and shystering to be blown away from the club by CCC showing there can indeed be a ground in the city, surely from the club POV it needs them to identify potential sites in the city and show us all which ones could work if they could get agreement with CCC. If the club had a genuine site across the county border they'd turn public opinion by declaring it - not like any rival bidder would suddenly see a massive pace of land they hadn't noticed, is it.

If one did either and the other party didn't follow, then that... would be that. I don't mean the dodgy game playing over the rental deals for the Ricoh either, when it was all smoke, mirrors, and headlines, but actual worked efforts.

Now, I appreciated in a financially straightened time the council can't really do that... but surely they could at least say they'd like to include the club in the next local plan? Can't we do away with the nonsensical deadlines, accept it's a decade needed to sort everything but... start trying to sort it?

What's depressing is neither side seems to want to push it, which suggests neither side thinks there's much weight in public numbers to get behind such a project. Personally I don't think that's true, I think enough people care in some form about the club to make it something worth fighting over but... if I'm wrong, and they're right, then the club really does have a problem.

CCC want to strongarm the football club into an unfavourable long term deal at the Ricoh.

The deal is 2+2 years and the council know the club will have no choice but to play at the Ricoh as they can't afford another sixfields scenario and can't afford to build a new stadium. ACL will hold all the cards in negotiations as they don't need the club but we will still need the Ricoh. ACL will be happy, CCC will be happy that ACL are happy and the football club will be signed up to a shit deal again.

 

[italiahorse]

CCC want to strongarm the football club into an unfavourable long term deal at the Ricoh.

The deal is 2+2 years and the council know the club will have no choice but to play at the Ricoh as they can't afford another sixfields scenario and can't afford to build a new stadium. ACL will hold all the cards in negotiations as they don't need the club but we will still need the Ricoh. ACL will be happy, CCC will be happy that ACL are happy and the football club will be signed up to a shit deal again.

Do you think the club are helping themselves in this situation by continuing with the JR and lining up JR2 should it fail ?

 

[georgehudson]

it would appear that the insurmountable problem is that nobody can keep their political motive under wraps,
ah well, it's always been a problem that they all relish keeping their snout in the trough

 

[Grendel]

Do you think the club are helping themselves in this situation by continuing with the JR and lining up JR2 should it fail ?

It makes no difference. Wasps are a ruthless organisation - they moved the club 80 miles without giving a fuck what their fans wanted. The notion they will offer us anything other than a commercially powerful deal in their advantage is illogical.

So it makes no difference. If they calculated they'd make more without us we go - if not we stay.

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[oldfiver]

Do you think the club are helping themselves in this situation by continuing with the JR and lining up JR2 should it fail ?

You are forgetting the High Court had the power to stop any more "reviews" at the last hearing.

They had almost decided JR1 had to be reheard before the Appeal Hearing started and referred it back

At that point there was little option because it involves potential European Law matters as well as anything SISU was saying

 

[Otis]

I just hope all the legal action is done and dusted by the time my daughter's kids have grandkids.


She's 11.

 

[italiahorse]

It makes no difference. Wasps are a ruthless organisation - they moved the club 80 miles without giving a fuck what their fans wanted. The notion they will offer us anything other than a commercially powerful deal in their advantage is illogical.

So it makes no difference. If they calculated they'd make more without us we go - if not we stay.

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It will always be a benefit to have the club there. It will always generate an incremental income and with only occupying the stadium 25 days a year it is not affecting other possible incomes greatly.

Wasps know that CCFC in the PL will boost incomes 10 fold.

The art is set an affordable package for CCFC so they can get there.

Having said that if SISU continue to drag everybody through the courts Wasps might just get pi55ed off with it all and make an irrational decision. Some might say similar to what CCC did ?

 

[Grendel]

It will always be a benefit to have the club there. It will always generate an incremental income and with only occupying the stadium 25 days a year it is not affecting other possible incomes greatly.

Wasps know that CCFC in the PL will boost incomes 10 fold.

The art is set an affordable package for CCFC so they can get there.

Having said that if SISU continue to drag everybody through the courts Wasps might just get pi55ed off with it all and make an irrational decision. Some might say similar to what CCC did ?

No your just getting you excuses in for them when they kick us out.

The deal at the moment is irrelevant to them in revenue terms. Saturday's are the most likely days to have events and we take up a large proportion.

Court cases are irrelevant. The only relevance is how much of their debt we can support them with.

They would never want us in the premier league as that would make our brand far more important than theirs. The crowds would rise and theirs would diminish.

 

[italiahorse]

No your just getting you excuses in for them when they kick us out.

The deal at the moment is irrelevant to them in revenue terms. Saturday's are the most likely days to have events and we take up a large proportion.

Court cases are irrelevant. The only relevance is how much of their debt we can support them with.

They would never want us in the premier league as that would make our brand far more important than theirs. The crowds would rise and theirs would diminish.

Great rant !!

 

[Grendel]

Great rant !!

It's not a rant it's a fact.

There is no way they would want the team in the premier league.

 

[italiahorse]

It's not a rant it's a fact.

There is no way they would want the team in the premier league.

Another one of your unproven facts.
Of course they would want them in the PL and charge them for the pleasure.
What a stupid thing to say.

 

[skybluetony176]

I just hope all the legal action is done and dusted by the time my daughter's kids have grandkids.


She's 11.

Don't bank on it.

 

[skybluetony176]

It's not a rant it's a fact.

There is no way they would want the team in the premier league.

Without looking back at what you actually said I'm guessing you're talking about SISU there.

 

[shmmeee]

Unless we go on a other rent strike I'll bet that we are offered the same terms. Kicking us out is a PR nightmare and not all sports teams go out of their way to seek those out.

 

[Nick]

Unless we go on a other rent strike I'll bet that we are offered the same terms. Kicking us out is a PR nightmare and not all sports teams go out of their way to seek those out.

Unless it's against sisu, in which case they just make it look like the club's fault. All they would have to say is that the club didn't accept their terms and all.blame would be gone from them.

 

[skybluetony176]

Unless it's against sisu, in which case they just make it look like the club's fault. All they would have to say is that the club didn't accept their terms and all.blame would be gone from them.

Depends on what the terms that got turned down were.

 

[stupot07]

Unless we go on a other rent strike I'll bet that we are offered the same terms. Kicking us out is a PR nightmare and not all sports teams go out of their way to seek those out.

I doubt we will be offered the same rent deal, wasps have subsequent took on a massive debt, in which they will need to maximise their income to service, that will mean increasing the rental terms.


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[shy_tall_knight]

It's not a rant it's a fact.

There is no way they would want the team in the premier league.

For somebody who sits in the posh seats you should know that's not a fact merely your uninformed highly biased opinion. Evil WASPS took advantage of a commercial opportunity that would never have happened if it wasn't for the Northampton exile.

 

[shy_tall_knight]

Unless it's against sisu, in which case they just make it look like the club's fault. All they would have to say is that the club didn't accept their terms and all.blame would be gone from them.

PR is available to all sides but our current owners have been a marketing disaster, still time to reverse the PR but the constant court cases etc.. and Northampton make it very difficult for SISU / CCFC to promote themselves as reasonable and having been subject to an injustice.

 

[armybike]

For somebody who sits in the posh seats you should know that's not a fact merely your uninformed highly biased opinion. Evil WASPS took advantage of a commercial opportunity that would never have happened if it wasn't for the Northampton exile.

You don't want to go talking common sense around these parts stk, it never goes down well!!

 

[chiefdave]

Depends on what the terms that got turned down were.

In all honestly I think for the majority of fans it wouldn't matter if Wasps asked for £2m a year they would still blame SISU.

 

[armybike]

In all honestly I think for the majority of fans it wouldn't matter if Wasps asked for £2m a year they would still blame SISU.

Could be argued that's because SISU have allowed us to end up in this situation.

 

[martcov]

In all honestly I think for the majority of fans it wouldn't matter if Wasps asked for £2m a year they would still blame SISU.

I think we all agree that the old rental agreement was too high for a league 1 team. Not heard anyone disputing that, so I think you are wrong here.

 

[italiahorse]

I doubt we will be offered the same rent deal, wasps have subsequent took on a massive debt, in which they will need to maximise their income to service, that will mean increasing the rental terms.


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So get an agreement now that relates to which league we are in.

 

[hill83]

So get an agreement now that relates to which league we are in.

Simple as that. I'm going to sort out a deal with my gas provider based on how much I use in August. Bargain.

 

[italiahorse]

Simple as that. I'm going to sort out a deal with my gas provider based on how much I use in August. Bargain.

I do every year and through Quidco to get a cashback as well.

 

[stupot07]

Simple as that. I'm going to sort out a deal with my gas provider based on how much I use in August. Bargain.

Come on hill. All the club need to do is ask and wasps will give them a cracking rent deal and throw in a load of matchday revenue as long as we say please.


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[hill83]

No deal. Chuck a blowy and a twix in and I'll consider it.

 

[stupot07]

No deal. Chuck a blowy and a twix in and I'll consider it.

Well you know what these rugby types are like.....the twix might be a sticking point..


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[skybluetony176]

Come on hill. All the club need to do is ask and wasps will give them a cracking rent deal and throw in a load of matchday revenue as long as we say please.


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Not saying that will happen but we had the same quip when myself and others suggested that the club should approach ACL about renting a retail kiosk and dump the decorating tables being told from the more "intellectual posters" that it will never happen, they have no interest in what we need. Low and behold, we asked and guess what happened next?

What I will say is that the opportune moment has been missed. We should have had a ten year deal sewn up just after they arrived when their future was less uncertain and we had more value to them and more weight when it came to bargaining. Whatever deal we can negotiate now won't be as good as it could have been twelve months ago.

 

[stupot07]

I don't think we would have got the best deal when they first arrived. In fact wasps would have been foolish to enter into negotiations with us so quickly.


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[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Not saying that will happen but we had the same quip when myself and others suggested that the club should approach ACL about renting a retail kiosk and dump the decorating tables being told from the more "intellectual posters" that it will never happen, they have no interest in what we need. Low and behold, we asked and guess what happened next?

I think the general consensus was that they would allow us a rental kiosk if we paid them handsomely for the usage of it, which is what has happened isn't it?

 

[skybluetony176]

I think the general consensus was that they would allow us a rental kiosk if we paid them handsomely for the usage of it, which is what has happened isn't it?

Not according to some. Of course anyone with a bit of common sense would understand that if you asked to rent one there was always the chance. I wasn't and never did suggest that they'd hand one over for free nor do they believe did anyone else.

 

[italiahorse]

I think the general consensus was that they would allow us a rental kiosk if we paid them handsomely for the usage of it, which is what has happened isn't it?

That's business. You pay a rent and get something for it.
We pay minimum rent and get a stadium 25 days a year and some of the football incremental revenues.
I'm sure if we wanted office space etc we could rent some at the Ricoh at the going rate.
Alternatively you could build a new stadium, pay finance costs, rates, utilities and maintenance costs etc etc.

Which ones best ? That's what Sisu needs to explain to us before they risk our club somewhere in Rugby.