covcity4life
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its a valid point,we get over run away usually,lets hope we can build on this 2nd half performance now
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Mumford and Daughter
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Some really need to come back to reality on here.
Yes the last 30 mins was excellent best ive seen in a long time but the first 60 was dire. If Leeds had taken their chances (McCormick missed a sitter) it would have been 2 or 3 nil. The fact they didn’t and we came back is applaud able. However don’t get excited just yet. Saturday will show us what this team is made off. Our confidence should be high after the 2nd half and Burnley are struggling. We should go and attack from the start.
Yes the last 30 mins was excellent best ive seen in a long time but the first 60 was dire. If Leeds had taken their chances (McCormick missed a sitter) it would have been 2 or 3 nil. The fact they didn’t and we came back is applaud able. However don’t get excited just yet. Saturday will show us what this team is made off. Our confidence should be high after the 2nd half and Burnley are struggling. We should go and attack from the start.
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katzenjammer
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One thing evident from last night was the an increased willingness to shoot from outside the box, Sammy had a good few opportunities as did David Bell.
In the last half an hour some of our football was great. Up to this point Leeds had looked good going forward but the turning point in the game was Gael going in strong on Snodgrass. Decent player though Snodgrass is he let this wind him up and just became a petulant little twat so much so if he stayed on the pitch longer I think he would have seen a red card.
First half Leeds' delivery into the box was really good and ours wasn't. When Cody came on he pushed the Leeds defence deeper which allowed our full backs forward and the service to the front 2 got significantly better. AT got the tactics spot on in the second half.
In the last half an hour some of our football was great. Up to this point Leeds had looked good going forward but the turning point in the game was Gael going in strong on Snodgrass. Decent player though Snodgrass is he let this wind him up and just became a petulant little twat so much so if he stayed on the pitch longer I think he would have seen a red card.
First half Leeds' delivery into the box was really good and ours wasn't. When Cody came on he pushed the Leeds defence deeper which allowed our full backs forward and the service to the front 2 got significantly better. AT got the tactics spot on in the second half.
Nonleagueherewecome
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It's not that we go out to play "poor" first half, but with more containment. Both of our last 2 matches, and the Blackpool game, have involved having to contain the opposition in the first half. Then, second half, when they've knackered themselves out, POW, right in the kisser!
Teams rarely play well for 90 minutes. A huge part of the managers job is to have the team well enough set out and motivated to not concede when under the cosh-or at least not more than once. In games such as Leeds away, this is even more important. And it doesn't make it defensive management to prepare for that.
Another part of the managers job is to ensure that we are effective when we do have our "good spells"-which quite frankly seemed to be the vast majority of the second half last night, at one point promting Geoff to say "they just can't live with us this half". I think it's worth remembering that we also had a good 15 minute spell in the first half, and for the second created just as much as Leeds did in the first. It may have taken until the 93rd minute to get the ball over the line, but for 45 minutes it was us pressing for a goal and when it came, it was entirely deserved. That, to me, is a fantastic managerial and playing performance. Nothing negative whatsoever.
Teams rarely play well for 90 minutes. A huge part of the managers job is to have the team well enough set out and motivated to not concede when under the cosh-or at least not more than once. In games such as Leeds away, this is even more important. And it doesn't make it defensive management to prepare for that.
Another part of the managers job is to ensure that we are effective when we do have our "good spells"-which quite frankly seemed to be the vast majority of the second half last night, at one point promting Geoff to say "they just can't live with us this half". I think it's worth remembering that we also had a good 15 minute spell in the first half, and for the second created just as much as Leeds did in the first. It may have taken until the 93rd minute to get the ball over the line, but for 45 minutes it was us pressing for a goal and when it came, it was entirely deserved. That, to me, is a fantastic managerial and playing performance. Nothing negative whatsoever.
Mumford and Daughter
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Leeds could have and should have been 3 up at half time. McCormick missed a sitter and Murphy made 2 or 3 decent saves. We didnt create much at all first half. Scoring 1 goal in 12 first half games is worrying.
Nonleagueherewecome
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Yeah but didn't you say we could have lost 5-0 last night?! Soz but I don't agree, I think you're far too negative. "Could of this and that..." is all well and good-but it didn't happen, did it? You don't win games by not scoring when on top. That's football.
For Me its actually about what happens and the result ,we can be guilty about what ifs ourselves we've done it in several games ourselves ,so the leeds profligacy is a what if .the points achieved column explains our failure in certain games ,and obviously the successes,the stats ,shots 10-9, saves 5-4,goals 1-1,poss,53-47%,that is the result not the what ifs
Mumford and Daughter
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Far too negaitve, no im a realist. If you seen the performance in the first half you'd be fearing the worst. Leeds on a different day would have been home and dry by then. Yes they weren't but the whole board saying weve turned the corner is pathetic to be honest. Saturday is a much tougher game then last night and i'll be much more happier with a result against Burnley.
The goal was gifted by a mistake by there keeper.
katzenjammer
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In the same respect, their goal was from a mistake by our defence.
Otis
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I do worry about the rose-tinted spectacles on here at times. We are getting the results so everything is fine and dandy, hands over the ears, la, la, la la la la 
Cast your minds back to last year. Flying high in and around the top6 and we were getting the results, but we weren't playing well for long periods in games and it was clearly apparent we had no plan b. Remember how that one panned out.
These problems need addressing and with great haste. We can't keep doing this and only turning up for one half. It's all going to end in tears. Averaging less than 1 goal a game and then only turning up for 45 mins each week is a recipe for disaster.
Cast your minds back to last year. Flying high in and around the top6 and we were getting the results, but we weren't playing well for long periods in games and it was clearly apparent we had no plan b. Remember how that one panned out.
These problems need addressing and with great haste. We can't keep doing this and only turning up for one half. It's all going to end in tears. Averaging less than 1 goal a game and then only turning up for 45 mins each week is a recipe for disaster.
Mumford and Daughter
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I do worry about the rose-tinted spectacles on here at times. We are getting the results so everything is fine and dandy, hands over the ears, la, la, la la la la
Cast your minds back to last year. Flying high in and around the top6 and we were getting the results, but we weren't playing well for long periods in games and it was clearly apparent we had no plan b. Remember how that one panned out.
These problems need addressing and with great haste. We can't keep doing this and only turning up for one half. It's all going to end in tears. Averaging less than 1 goal a game and then only turning up for 45 mins each week is a recipe for disaster.
Voice of reason again mate. An alien coming from out of space would think were top of the table and playing great football week in week out.
Mumford and Daughter
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Fair enough but if that was Murphy dropping a clanger in the 93rd he'd be hung to dry on here. Keepers making a mistake is always more noteworthy then an outfield player.
Nonleagueherewecome
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The reason I'm so positive is because
1) I want my team to do well, so being enthusiastic is how I support them. If I'm going to be all "woe is me, we're dooomed", I would derive sod all pleasure from it. And it sounds too much like how I am at work..
2) I think the manager is superb and don't want him to fail due to the owners/board.
3) I thought we were going down, and based on the wafer thin squad, we still might. We're not bottom, we're 19th; that's bloody well like 3rd to me!!! When you've been resigned to relegation, to see the manager moulding a side out of such meagre resources gives me an incredible sense of well-being.
And anyway, I'm not always quite so "positive". In many aspects of life I am a cold, cynical bastard. Ask Paxman, I give him hell every time he mentions the "P word". But rather than seeing everything as black and white, either all good or all bad, I try to be rational and logical as much as possible. Not negative, not positive, but realistic.
I don't really like being portrayed as some kind of drooling fan-boy who thinks everything in the garden is rosy regardless of whatever transpires. I think at most there's only one or two posters on here that are that way inclined, but even they do so with at least examples of why they feel that way-and it's just their opinion. There are certainly far more doom-and-gloom merchants than happy-pill taking lobotomy victims, if those are the two broad groups we've now decided that people must belong to!
And Otis-to try and make out that we're acting like we're 6th in the table is ridiculous. Get a sense of perspective, man; that was a fantastic result against the form side in the division away from home which ebodied a never-say-die spirit and saw us play some of our best football of the season. So we were under the cosh for a while..we battled and defended well, and didn't concede a 2nd. Last time I checked, it was goals that win matches. We all thought we were losing until the 93rd minute, and we are all very happy that we got a point. Can't you understand that?
1) I want my team to do well, so being enthusiastic is how I support them. If I'm going to be all "woe is me, we're dooomed", I would derive sod all pleasure from it. And it sounds too much like how I am at work..
2) I think the manager is superb and don't want him to fail due to the owners/board.
3) I thought we were going down, and based on the wafer thin squad, we still might. We're not bottom, we're 19th; that's bloody well like 3rd to me!!! When you've been resigned to relegation, to see the manager moulding a side out of such meagre resources gives me an incredible sense of well-being.
And anyway, I'm not always quite so "positive". In many aspects of life I am a cold, cynical bastard. Ask Paxman, I give him hell every time he mentions the "P word". But rather than seeing everything as black and white, either all good or all bad, I try to be rational and logical as much as possible. Not negative, not positive, but realistic.
I don't really like being portrayed as some kind of drooling fan-boy who thinks everything in the garden is rosy regardless of whatever transpires. I think at most there's only one or two posters on here that are that way inclined, but even they do so with at least examples of why they feel that way-and it's just their opinion. There are certainly far more doom-and-gloom merchants than happy-pill taking lobotomy victims, if those are the two broad groups we've now decided that people must belong to!
And Otis-to try and make out that we're acting like we're 6th in the table is ridiculous. Get a sense of perspective, man; that was a fantastic result against the form side in the division away from home which ebodied a never-say-die spirit and saw us play some of our best football of the season. So we were under the cosh for a while..we battled and defended well, and didn't concede a 2nd. Last time I checked, it was goals that win matches. We all thought we were losing until the 93rd minute, and we are all very happy that we got a point. Can't you understand that?
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Mumford and Daughter
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exactly goals win matches and thats why weve only won 2 all season. we were gifted last nights (Not complaining) but we still dont look like a threat when we go forward.
Otis
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I have got a sense of perspective.
1. We are 19th
2. We are just 2 points off the bottom 3.
3. We are scoring at an average of less than 1 goal a game and only 1 team has scored less goals than us.
4. We have won just twice in 12 games.
There is the perspective. Doesn't need a brain surgeon to work out that if we score at an average of less than a goal a game and continue to only compete at a decent level for 45 minutes every game that the conclusion is not at all promising.
Great result last night. Chuffed to bits, but look at the big picture. In the scheme of things we are still very much in the mire and this on top of us having a painfully thin squad to boot.
Nonleagueherewecome
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And where did I say we aren't in the mire? Seriously, what do you expect with such an under-funded squad?! My enthusiasm is based on our performances-and AT's work-despite that. Do you think that's 2 points dropped last night? I certainly don't, and I'm massively encouraged by the Forest, Reading, Derby, part of Blackpool, and Leeds game.
Otis
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A point gained for sure and I don't expect anything other than a relegation scrap this year.
Think it would be wise for many of of fans to accept this rather than have their heads in the clouds (Paxman).
To survive this season would be an absolutely brilliant achievement. If AT keeps us up he should get the freedom of the city.
Think it would be wise for many of of fans to accept this rather than have their heads in the clouds (Paxman).
To survive this season would be an absolutely brilliant achievement. If AT keeps us up he should get the freedom of the city.
Nonleagueherewecome
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Ah, gotta love those debates where we're both arguing the same thing from completely different angles. I agree with all of your last post-that's why I'm happy and relieved at that point. Because I don't have high expectations, or even hopes. I'd almost written this season off. But we might have a chance, and that is because of the manager more than anyone. He's been impressing me more and more with every passing game, and I thought he was a genius to start with!
Otis
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I will be very happy just to survive this year.
Happy with Thorn and think we are doing the best we can do to a point .... just a couple of niggling things, aka trying to get the team putting in a more complete performance rather than only turning up for one half. Not sure we can do anything about the goals. at the end of the day Thorn can only work with what he's got. With that in mind I just find it unreasonable for some City fans to think we are going to do well this season. Staying up will be 'doing well,' in fact, as stated, staying up would be absolutely brilliant!
Takeover happens and all will change. Then maybe we can think of sunnier climes.
Happy with Thorn and think we are doing the best we can do to a point .... just a couple of niggling things, aka trying to get the team putting in a more complete performance rather than only turning up for one half. Not sure we can do anything about the goals. at the end of the day Thorn can only work with what he's got. With that in mind I just find it unreasonable for some City fans to think we are going to do well this season. Staying up will be 'doing well,' in fact, as stated, staying up would be absolutely brilliant!
Takeover happens and all will change. Then maybe we can think of sunnier climes.
Nonleagueherewecome
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Exactly, mate. It could be a nasty little relegation battle, but I think we've got just enough, with AT our Ace in the Hole. One things for sure, having been raised on relegation battles, it's certainly going to be exciting at times. Then we just have to pray for a takeover to take the club forwards.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Otis I think 95% of Cov fans would be happy with just staying up this year, it is going to be a battle but I think we can do it.
covcity4life
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what do people think of cody? the header that hit the bar vs leeds is symbolic of the sort of striker i think cov fans want, hes brave,attacks the ball and vs ipswhich showed he knows how to be in right palce right time
yes ALF is scoring already but i think cody is gonna do wel this season
and no otis,that doesnt mean i think were going to win the league!
yes ALF is scoring already but i think cody is gonna do wel this season
and no otis,that doesnt mean i think were going to win the league!
covcity4life
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now your talking!
Mumford and Daughter
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that it? Far too negative.
covcity4life
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Otis
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And if we get taken over I expect automatic promotion and not another single defeat all season.
I do wish the takeover would happen in the next day or so though as word has it that Tevez could be off to Boca Juniors and we could therefore miss out.
Just imagine a front two of ROD and Tevez here at the Ricoh!!!
I do wish the takeover would happen in the next day or so though as word has it that Tevez could be off to Boca Juniors and we could therefore miss out.
Just imagine a front two of ROD and Tevez here at the Ricoh!!!
covcity4life
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no defender would have time to think!
TheParsonsHose
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Anything other than relegation is a bonus IMO.