USSR invades Ukraine. (3 Viewers)
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What’s the money going on?
Mucca Mad Boys
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Trump still giving Putin what he wants.
From today's 'ceasefire deal':
1. In accordance with the agreement between the presidents of Russia and the United States, the Russian and American sides agreed to ensure the implementation of the Black Sea initiative", including ensuring the safety of navigation in the Black Sea, non-use of force and non-use of commercial vessels in military In order to organize appropriate controls through the inspection of such vessels.
2. USA will help restore access to Russian exports agricultural products and fertilizers to the world market, reducing the cost of insurance of maritime transportation, as well as expanding access to ports and payment systems for such Transaction.
Paragraphs 1 and 2 shall enter into force after:
Lifting of sanctions restrictions from the Russian Agricultural Bank and other financial institutions involved in the provision of international food trade transactions (including fishery products) and fertilizers, their connection to SWIFT, the opening of necessary correspondent accounts;
Removal of restrictions on trade finance operations;
Lifting sanctions restrictions on food producers and exporters (including fish products) and fertilizers, as well as the removal of restrictions on the work of insurance companies with cargo of food (including fish products) and fertilizers;
Lifting restrictions on servicing ships in ports and sanctions on ships under the Russian flag, involved in the trade of food (including fish products) and fertilizers;
Lifting restrictions on the supply of agricultural machinery to the Russian Federation, as well as other goods involved in the production of food (including fish products) and fertilizers.
From today's 'ceasefire deal':
1. In accordance with the agreement between the presidents of Russia and the United States, the Russian and American sides agreed to ensure the implementation of the Black Sea initiative", including ensuring the safety of navigation in the Black Sea, non-use of force and non-use of commercial vessels in military In order to organize appropriate controls through the inspection of such vessels.
2. USA will help restore access to Russian exports agricultural products and fertilizers to the world market, reducing the cost of insurance of maritime transportation, as well as expanding access to ports and payment systems for such Transaction.
Paragraphs 1 and 2 shall enter into force after:
Lifting of sanctions restrictions from the Russian Agricultural Bank and other financial institutions involved in the provision of international food trade transactions (including fishery products) and fertilizers, their connection to SWIFT, the opening of necessary correspondent accounts;
Removal of restrictions on trade finance operations;
Lifting sanctions restrictions on food producers and exporters (including fish products) and fertilizers, as well as the removal of restrictions on the work of insurance companies with cargo of food (including fish products) and fertilizers;
Lifting restrictions on servicing ships in ports and sanctions on ships under the Russian flag, involved in the trade of food (including fish products) and fertilizers;
Lifting restrictions on the supply of agricultural machinery to the Russian Federation, as well as other goods involved in the production of food (including fish products) and fertilizers.
Captain Dart
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Wake up from his bad night, change the sweaty sheets and vow never to drink that much again.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m teetotal but sureWake up from his bad night, change the sweaty sheets and vow never to drink that much again.
Call me a stickler for details but it is kind of an important question
mmttww
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Cheaper than actually standing up to tyrants ourselves like we might have done in the past so Yeah, we probably should. You talk about this a lot for someone who says they don't care about it, btw.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Which assumes that £3bn would move the dial in swinging the war effort Ukraine’s way. It won’t unfortunately.
mmttww
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if you pretend our contribution(s) wasn't always going to be part of a larger contribution from Europe.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Do you think Ukraine can win this war? To give a definition here: victory by ejecting the Russian army from the occupied regions (excluding Crimea).
mmttww
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I think they deserve support from anyone capable of giving it, seeing as they've held out for three years, saving everyone else from having to get their hands dirty. I don't think anyone wins wars, either. Sides just lose less.
I also can't be arsed to get into debates on subjects like this on here. My experience is people are entrenched and want to win the argument. When they start losing that, they deflect or get personal. No genuine interest in a debate.
Sick Boy
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It has and has always had zero chance.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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And if the US invaded Greenland they would have no chance either, so I guess you'd be quite happy for that to happen so the US can get what it wants through aggression.
Grendel
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Well it tends to get what it wants through aggression anyway not that I see Greenland under too much threat just yet
Brighton Sky Blue
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I suppose while Canada is the main target perhaps
skyblueinBaku
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Sick Boy
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He just says whatever will benefit him the most.
Putin is clearly not interested in a ceasefire and is up to his usual tricks. It would be daft to lift any sanctions.
Sky Blue Pete
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Who isn’t
Sick Boy
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A lot of European leaders are standing up to Trump.
Then there's Starmer...
Keir Starmer says he ‘likes and respects’ Donald Trump
PM agrees with US president that Europe must bear greater burden for its collective self-defence
Do you have some examples?
I'd say most of Europe has been pretty consistent in their messaging - prioritising their support for Ukraine over standing up to Trump.
SkyBlueDom26
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I actually give him credit, the last thing we want to do is piss off our main Ally and who we do so much trade with. If he is clever, we can actually take advantage of everyone else throwing toys out of the pramA lot of European leaders are standing up to Trump.
Then there's Starmer...
Keir Starmer says he ‘likes and respects’ Donald Trump
PM agrees with US president that Europe must bear greater burden for its collective self-defencewww.theguardian.com
Sky Blue Pete
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I agreeA lot of European leaders are standing up to Trump.
Then there's Starmer...
Keir Starmer says he ‘likes and respects’ Donald Trump
PM agrees with US president that Europe must bear greater burden for its collective self-defence
chiefdave
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has anyone through to tell Trump he's supposed to be our main ally as he's not acting like it. How much shit is it acceptable for him to hurl our way before you'd expect our government to respond?
fatso
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Unfortunately a lot of people won't see it that way, they won't grasp the reality that Trump is threatening tariffs on the EU and not the UK. And as things stand there's a chance we could do a unilateral trade agreement with the US that would give us a massive advantage over the rest of Europe.
Hence why Starmer is agreeing to increase defence spending (at Trumps suggestion) to hopefully encourage the US to negotiate a tariff free trade deal.
Wonder what the security service's were thinking and not co-ordinating with the other allies (US), What on earth has Boris started here,so strange to allow some in give them a nighthood buy up loads of London asset's,have all sorts of murder's on the streets of Britain?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Trump’s been too busy trying to annexe his country’s main ally to notice what we’re up to.
Sick Boy
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I was talking more about trade, to be fair, I got the threads confused - Germany says it 'will not give in' as Trump announces 25% car tariffs
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It's largely irrelevant as he would happily throw us or anyone else under the bus if he thinks he'll benefit. He and his cohorts care nothing about alliances or agreements, just what they can get for themselves. We could lick Trump's arse so hard we could tickle his tonsils but he'd still happily put tariffs on at a moment's notice.
Grendel
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You could just replace the word Trump with USA - it’s always been thus
Fucking hell. Trump presumably wants them to reject this deal so he can blame them for being the bad guys.
There's no way they can accept this, surely.
www.telegraph.co.uk
There's no way they can accept this, surely.
Revealed: Trump’s plan to force Ukraine to restore Putin’s gas empire
America holds gun to Zelensky’s head with unprecedented reparation demands
www.telegraph.co.uk
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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There is definitely truth in that, though not to such an extent as with Trump.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
As has been said many, many times...it's America, what else were you expecting to happen?Fucking hell. Trump presumably wants them to reject this deal so he can blame them for being the bad guys.
There's no way they can accept this, surely.
Revealed: Trump’s plan to force Ukraine to restore Putin’s gas empire
America holds gun to Zelensky’s head with unprecedented reparation demands