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Grendel

Grendel

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mmttww said:
Just to make sure I'm keeping up, then. Your position is that Reeves and co. are incompetent because growth forecasts are wiggling around by fractions of 1% with the cause of that variation being global events caused entirely by Trump and co.

but you'll defend policies he's rolled out that crashed global markets and will almost certainly leave people around the world with less disposable income as prices inflate, and she's 'Rachel from Accounts', and we should give his policies a chance.

If that's the extent of your ability to reflect on the positions you're taking or defending there's no point talking about it. You've made your point and you're being consistent but if you can't see the mad double standards you're using, then I'm out.
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The growth forecast was mocked from the beginning and even the forecasts were halved before this.

Taxing businesses was clueless from the start. Finding gaps through welfare restrictions and penalising pensioners is just embarrassing.

She is clueless
 
mmttww

mmttww

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fatso said:
and as such he's obliged to address the obvious lack of equality in so many trade agreements...
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You got any examples of agreements which the US negotiated that lack equality? If you think he has anyone's interests but his own and his backers in mind with any of this, that seems naive. Worth having a read about his approach to Crypto as a sign of how he thinks and operates. Someone posted the Rolling Stones article about it earlier in the thread.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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mmttww said:
Maybe she is, we'll find out. Doesn't mean the free pass the tan man gets from some on here doesn't reek of double standards and misogyny.
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no it doesn’t. So anyone criticising Badenoch is a misogynist?

It’s you that seems to think reeves gender needs highlighting.
 
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wingy

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
On Reeves, the justification for the ‘spring statement’ was the ‘changing world’ with a specific focus on the impending Trump Tariffs. It was the government used it as a pretence even they though they didn’t know what to expect exactly.

Considering the government, by all accounts, think they’ve got off ‘lightly’ with a 10% tariff goes to show just how bad their planning was if the fiscal headroom is expected to be wiped out nonetheless.

It probably would’ve made sense to wait a couple of weeks to know what you’re dealing with.
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Well like today or tomorrow then, isn't this what happened before?
 
mmttww

mmttww

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Grendel said:
Interesting editing there.
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It's not edited. I'm confused. Like this...

Arnold Schwarzenegger Smile GIF
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
The growth forecast was mocked from the beginning and even the forecasts were halved before this.

Taxing businesses was clueless from the start. Finding gaps through welfare restrictions and penalising pensioners is just embarrassing.

She is clueless
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Most of what she's been doing is a continuation of Tory policy from the last 14 years. If the Tories were in power and making cuts I doubt you'd be calling them clueless for it (even though I agree that it is. ) Everyone knew growth would be poor because making cuts always restricts growth because people have less money in their pocket so no-one can buy anything, but it is what most economic bodies expect governments to do even though it never works.

So she can't tax businesses cos that's clueless. Making cuts to welfare and pensioners is embarrassing. You've made it quite clear you think other taxes on individuals etc. shouldn't be raised. Have you suddenly become a leftie and think the government should spend money on infrastructure to create jobs even though it doesn't allow you to 'balance the books' and you have to borrow/issue more?

Because if not what's left for her to do? Magic beans hoping one sprouts into a money tree? Breeding geese in the hope one starts laying golden eggs?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Most of what she's been doing is a continuation of Tory policy from the last 14 years. If the Tories were in power and making cuts I doubt you'd be calling them clueless for it (even though I agree that it is. ) Everyone knew growth would be poor because making cuts always restricts growth because people have less money in their pocket so no-one can buy anything, but it is what most economic bodies expect governments to do even though it never works.

So she can't tax businesses cos that's clueless. Making cuts to welfare and pensioners is embarrassing. You've made it quite clear you think other taxes on individuals etc. shouldn't be raised. Have you suddenly become a leftie and think the government should spend money on infrastructure to create jobs even though it doesn't allow you to 'balance the books' and you have to borrow/issue more?

Because if not what's left for her to do? Magic beans hoping one sprouts into a money tree? Breeding geese in the hope one starts laying golden eggs?
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She wants growth. Only way to do that is stimulate demand - reduce VAT as Sunak did and personal taxation as well as increasing the tax free allowance so people actually see cash on their pockets.

Nationalise utilities and transport services and accept that net zero legislation at present is not workable
 
mmttww

mmttww

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Grendel said:
No you made a reference to Reeves gender which no one else has - which is actually revealing.

Most of the critics of Reeves are on the left of politics - get your head around that
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People can be misogynistic without being explicit. You don't see some posts as misogynistic, I do. If you want to keep trying to tie this in knots, go for it. I cba to keep saying the same thing over and over.

I'm an open critic of Labour since the election and am pretty far to the left by most people's standards. Doesn't mean I can't find people's attitudes towards her as contradictory or misogynistic.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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mmttww said:
People can be misogynistic without being explicit. You don't see some posts as misogynistic, I do. If you want to keep trying to tie this in knots, go for it. I cba to keep saying the same thing over and over.

I'm an open critic of Labour since the election and am pretty far to the left by most people's standards. Doesn't mean I can't find people's attitudes towards her as contradictory or misogynistic.
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Who on here is showing misogyny then? Name and shame.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
She wants growth. Only way to do that is stimulate demand - reduce VAT as Sunak did and personal taxation as well as increasing the tax free allowance so people actually see cash on their pockets.

Nationalise utilities and transport services and accept that net zero legislation at present is not workable
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I agree that if her aims are for growth then that top sentence makes far more sense than what she is doing. However, despite all the evidence that what she is doing will stunt growth it seems that balancing the books short term takes priority. Even though growth can do that eventually it's seen as riskier because it's cutting revenue while the growth is by no means guaranteed so it may end up putting you in a worse position.

Why this attitude appears to be different to making cuts, which seem to be approved of because you are spending less money but seemingly ignores the fact it will also mean you spend more on welfare and social consequences, I can't work out.

I certainly agree on nationalisation, and though the effectiveness of net zero legislation can be debated the industries around it are definitely ones we need to be looking at for future growth.
 
fatso

fatso

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mmttww said:
You got any examples of agreements which the US negotiated that lack equality? If you think he has anyone's interests but his own and his backers in mind with any of this, that seems naive. Worth having a read about his approach to Crypto as a sign of how he thinks and operates. Someone posted the Rolling Stones article about it earlier in the thread.
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It's literally been all over the news.
The tariffs Trump has imposed are less than those imposed on the goods imported from the US.

The question is, which dickheads in the US signed off on deals which are so heavily weighted against US manufacturers?
 
mmttww

mmttww

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fatso said:
It's literally been all over the news.
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I've not seen him refer to any particular agreements. I've seen him talk about other countries pillaging the US which is a LOL. You seem to think he cares about the population of the US, I don't. We're not gonna persuade each other of anything else if we see things differently in that respect.
 
fatso

fatso

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mmttww said:
I've not seen him refer to any particular agreements. I've seen him talk about other countries pillaging the US which is a LOL. You seem to think he cares about the population of the US, I don't. We're not gonna persuade each other of anything else if we see things differently in that respect.
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Well time will tell, the answer will be the state of the US economy at the end of his time in office.
 
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