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I don't disagree that he looked a good player, but earlier in his career he was destined to be a top international. I still don't think he was ever in that bracket for us, and you could almost see his frustration with the physical limitations he was having to overcome. So yes IMO he was an...

The whole exercise is prompted by safety concerns, as per the original post on this thread. There's also the question of giving people the choice to stand. So it has never been purely (or even mainly) about revenue.

It says his brother is a boxer who weighs 672 kilograms, so best not upset him. That's 105 stone.

They are a chicken SAG.

Did you mean the North Stand?

Fair enough. My recollection was that for us he always looked a shadow of his former self, and you could tell his movement was restricted. It's a measure of his talent that he was still good enough to play well in the top flight though.

Just checked this, and yes 'rail seats' allow each space to be used for either seating or standing as required (locked into one position or the other according to the event). So safe standing needn't reduce seating capacity at all.

Really?

I thought each safe standing space also included a seat which can be brought into use whenever required?

Surely the club would be more worried that if someone got badly hurt after safety advice had been ignored, they could be taken to court for enormous sums, no matter how tenuous the circumstances. The key to solving this is to make changes which take away the SAG's concerns. I assume that's the...

No shame involved :) It would be enough to pay the wages a of a very good player, assuming those 3000 seats were filled all season which is of course highly unlikely. Anyway, revenue isn't my main concern - it's more the messy nature of the current arrangements in a part of the ground which...

Your calculation is surely way out, but I still get your point.

I wasn't using it in the way you imply, and in no way was I suggesting that the club shouldn't have invested in seating because clearly it was obligatory. I was simply responding to the notion that fans who always preferred to stand, but had that choice taken away from for decades because of...

True, but still spent.

I love these Italian tactical terms.

I get what you are saying Oakey, and I respect it. But remember that for many decades, the life and soul of football in this country was the thousands of fans standing on the terraces. In reaction to the safety and hooligan issues in the 70s and 80s, billions have been spent by clubs up and down...

Not trying to be obstructive, but apart from various other issues people have mentioned, you've got the away section where the new club shop is.

That does sound simpler than moving the away fans, as long as City fans can be given regular/permanent access to ~half of the South Stand, with just the minimum required away capacity and only a narrow no man’s land. No more empty blocks in a prime part of the stadium. We keep hearing that the...

Mixed signals on this thread. Can we expect some kind of definite proposal from the club soon, as the basis for consultations, or are they just asking people to throw ideas around?

The thing is, Fadz is still fantastic. Age is just a number, and as long as he's good enough he's young enough.