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The key is not to lose to those around us, I’d take 5 points from that if it was a defeat to Reading, and then 2 draws and a win

Well Maddison was 18 and playing in league one, so it’s not really a comparison. King was a good player no doubt, but no chance was he the best in the division when we had him, whereas McSheffrey was in that bracket.

Ah see what you’re getting at. I did say pre Birmingham move. I think McSheffrey was more or less the best player in the division at that time. King was good but not that good

No chance is he running 21km at 3:27 pace - that’s like elite national level running

Yeah possibly too high, I can’t think of a player we’ve had that’s been that good when we’ve had them though. Maybe Scott Dann or Westwood?

If he doesn’t go in Jan, then that doesn’t mean there isn’t interest, if that’s what you’re implying. Seems a ridiculously odd POV, and hill to die on, considering the performances he puts in. I think you can remove subjectiveness from that by looking at the stats as well, which back up that...

With all respect, that’s an odd point of view, Hamer is 23, played half a season in the championship for a relatively poor side and been a stand out player. Scores and assists, he’s aggressive, dynamic, versatile, clever. He’s too good for this level and I don’t know how you can’t see that.

Wilson - 8 - did everything well, good kicking Dabo - 9.5 - vintage Dabo, class Ostigard - 9 - won so much in the air and great on the deck, vital late challenge Fadz - 8 - won everything Hyam - 6 - decent but they had a bit of joy on his side and going to ground on Parrott stupid McCallum - 8...

Love it

Need to get a couple of attacking loans in Jan otherwise we’re in trouble.

Allen genuinely crap

I know that. If you could read what I’ve actually posted and then reply to my points it would help

Come off it man, read everything else I put, and don’t be deliberately obtuse.

Different circumstances, when we signed King I don't think our squad was particularly harmonious or indeed successful. It was a bloated squad of established and under performing championship players, bar a small handful. Additionally I think you overrate NML if you're comparing him Marlon...

Unless he came in and was one of the best 5 players in the league, would anyone pay 7 figures for an average-good championship level 29 year old they could have got in the summer for free, and only has 12 months left on his deal? No chance. Not to mention some significant off the field...

I think that's debatable, but yeah certainly would likely be one of the first names on the team sheet. I meant more than he's obviously be sacked for a reason, and for a football club to write off a multi million pound asset, it strikes me that it's not something minor. I'm not suggesting he...

Probably not a good enough player to outweigh the likely negative aspects. As long as the crime isn't violent/abusive, and he's a decent lad, who has made a mistake, then deserves a second chance for sure.

Agreed, it's just confirmation bias, have a certain pov and then look out for mistakes to justify it, rather than watching the whole performance

He’s had 5 bookings

Walker anonymous, and we can say he didn’t get the service but he won nothing/couldn’t hold the ball up, or link play. Also not sure on the runs he’s making to stretch them, doesn’t seem to get near to anything or close to being played through, Hamer and O’Hare managed it and he didn’t.