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Last year I was buzzed at O'Hare, Walker and Hamer.
This year Gyokeres could be good, Bright could be a wildcard. The rest are very meh.
Last year I was buzzed at O'Hare, Walker and Hamer.tbh, I wasn't expecting to be, given where we are. It's always going to be young potential, or journeyman - even allowing for level, McNulty and Kelly weren't overly exciting (McNulty mixed, Kelly at the wrong team), and I wasn't exactly moved by Vincenti. O'Hare's been the exception all through recent years in a way, as I really didn't expect us to get him.
tbh, I wasn't expecting to be, given where we are. It's always going to be young potential, or journeyman - even allowing for level, McNulty and Kelly weren't overly exciting (McNulty mixed, Kelly at the wrong team), and I wasn't exactly moved by Vincenti. O'Hare's been the exception all through recent years in a way, as I really didn't expect us to get him.
True, I forgot Walker! He's still a div below, potential signing, though.Last year I was buzzed at O'Hare, Walker and Hamer.
This year Gyokeres could be good, Bright could be a wildcard. The rest are very meh.
tbh, I wasn't expecting to be, given where we are. It's always going to be young potential, or journeyman - even allowing for level, McNulty and Kelly weren't overly exciting (McNulty mixed, Kelly at the wrong team), and I wasn't exactly moved by Vincenti. O'Hare's been the exception all through recent years in a way, as I really didn't expect us to get him.
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. We just value keepers differently.
Really when I'm getting at though I guess is that players that are going to be a mainstay of our team for 5+ years or generate a significant resale value are those that we should be targeting. 25 years old and already Championship quality Walton is that player 31 year old questionable Moore isn't. Same with 31 year old Waghorn.
This type of recruitment just gives you more work to do a year or two (or three) down the line without putting you in a better financial position. Last year we did really well by bringing in Sheaf, Hamer and Walker, who all fit that model, then filling the squad with loans in CB, LWB & CM. Gyokeres and maybe Bright could be examples of us doing it right this year.
I think the philosophy at this level should be 2/3 top quality players each year in the younger age bracket so they give you that longevity/profit even if it means Shipley or Allen or whoever plays more than you'd like them to. With the loans you keep your head above water and then in 3/4 years you have a squad that can challenge at the right end of the division.
It just feels like we're bringing in players who will keep us lower mid-table Championship, which is obviously better than we've had for many years, but nothing to say that we might eventually turn ourselves into contenders.
Yeah but the young potential is players we had last season. No mystery or excitement there. Best we’ve got is Bright. And now we’ve run out of money it seems.
We’ll see but this transfer window is shaping up to be our worst under Robins.
Yeah but the young potential is players we had last season. No mystery or excitement there. Best we’ve got is Bright. And now we’ve run out of money it seems.
We’ll see but this transfer window is shaping up to be our worst under Robins.
To be fair, although I'm not overly enthused by the recruitment so far either, we can't make that statement yet. Not when our business hasn't been completed yet and the season hasn't started.
I agree we need to prove incrementally but you do that by signing a couple of quality players imo. I think our recruitment at the moment very much shouts 'standing still'We have one of the youngest teams in the Championship. We need a couple of experienced players. McFadz, James and Kelly’s leadership was indispensable to our campaign last year and we need to add to that. Hopefully, Moore and Waghorn will provide that.
We plan on signing 2-4 new players, two of which being loanees. I’m sure we’ll pick up a few younger player in our typical target age range. Mind you, we’ve still signed Bright and Gyo who are both 23 and have plenty of potential upside.
Realistically, the club needs to improve incrementally. Boddy (and Robins?) has said this. We survived last year, this year we need to consolidate and hopefully players develop more before we can that extra step.
Mañana mañana. When they start training. When the marketing team are back. When they get back from Spain. When the season starts. When the transfer window closes.
I love the optimism but be real. When the rumours and the noises from the club and the CT and the evidence before our eyes says it’s a duck I’m not holding my breath for a golden eagle.
I'm not particularly optimistic based on signings so far. I haven't hidden that fact either on this thread or others.
But having said that I won't shoot myself in the foot by making rash statements or predictions before all our business has been completed as we have no idea what's coming. With four signings on their way the overall quality of the team could be completely transformed.
I agree we need to prove incrementally but you do that by signing a couple of quality players imo. I think our recruitment at the moment very much shouts 'standing still'
Especially when there were some quality free agents available.
I think the windows are hard to compare under Robins without the context of the fall and rise of the club during that time and the associated increases in budget that comes with promotion. In L2, despite relegation, we were still a big fish in a small pond. That's 3 of the 5 seasons.Yeah but the young potential is players we had last season. No mystery or excitement there. Best we’ve got is Bright. And now we’ve run out of money it seems.
We’ll see but this transfer window is shaping up to be our worst under Robins.
| 1 July 2019 | CM |
| Jamie Allen |
| Undisclosed | [25] |
| 1 July 2019 | CM |
| Daniel Bartlett |
| Free transfer | [26] |
| 1 July 2019 | RB |
| Fankaty Dabo |
| Free transfer | [27] |
| 1 July 2019 | LM |
| Wesley Jobello |
| Undisclosed | [28] |
| 1 July 2019 | LW |
| Gervane Kastaneer |
| Undisclosed | [29] |
| 1 July 2019 | GK |
| Marko Maroši |
| Free transfer | [30] |
| 1 July 2019 | CB |
| Kyle McFadzean |
| Free transfer | [31] |
| 1 July 2019 | CB |
| Josh Pask |
| Free transfer | [32] |
| 1 July 2019 | CB |
| Michael Rose |
| Free transfer | [33] |
| 1 July 2019 | GK |
| Ben Wilson |
| Free transfer | [34] |
It’s a good point, I remember going into the promotion season thinking we were weaker than the previous season.I think the windows are hard to compare under Robins without the context of the fall and rise of the club during that time and the associated increases in budget that comes with promotion. In L2, despite relegation, we were still a big fish in a small pond. That's 3 of the 5 seasons.
I suppose the 2nd season in L1 is perhaps most comparable to this year, as it's the only other time we've played consecutive seasons in the same division under Robins.
At this point we'd signed:
1 July 2019 CM Jamie Allen Burton Albion Undisclosed [25] 1 July 2019 CM Daniel Bartlett Southampton Free transfer [26] 1 July 2019 RB Fankaty Dabo Chelsea Free transfer [27] 1 July 2019 LM Wesley Jobello Gazélec Ajaccio Undisclosed [28] 1 July 2019 LW Gervane Kastaneer NAC Breda Undisclosed [29] 1 July 2019 GK Marko Maroši Doncaster Rovers Free transfer [30] 1 July 2019 CB Kyle McFadzean Burton Albion Free transfer [31] 1 July 2019 CB Josh Pask West Ham United Free transfer [32] 1 July 2019 CB Michael Rose Ayr United Free transfer [33] 1 July 2019 GK Ben Wilson Bradford City Free transfer [34]
Allen and McFadzean were seen as solid signings and people were happy we'd finally replaced Burge with Marosi. Dabo was exciting but was replacing Sterling who'd had a good season. It wasn't particularly exciting then either, aside from some Football Manager style anticipation at our new foreign signings. We'd also just sold Chaplin which, while many were not unhappy to see him go, left us looking light up front.
Robins pulled it all out the bag by adding Godden on a permanent using the Chaplin sale money and added O'Hare and Walsh on loan in August and September.
I guess my point is that when you survive in a division, the improvements are more incremental than when you jump up a division, and that the best deals always happen later in the window when the Prem trickle down starts to happen.
Same here. Then we added O’Hare and Walsh on loan and everything looked a lot more roseyIt’s a good point, I remember going into the promotion season thinking we were weaker than the previous season.
No, but if you think the likes of Eccles can step up, they do need a path to do so.Yeah but the young potential is players we had last season. No mystery or excitement there.
Latest CT article it’s down to three. 1 perm and 2 loan.
And TBF I haven’t predicted anything. Just said that’s how it’s shaping up. If we’ve saved all our business until the end and pull half a squad of championship players out the bag then fair enough.
Yeah 3 or 4 first team players is more than a quarter of the team.To be fair, although I'm not overly enthused by the recruitment so far either, we can't make that statement yet. Not when our business hasn't been completed yet and the season hasn't started.
Fair I hadn't read that.
I think this window was always likely to be the most difficult under Robins' tenure. With Championship clubs all fishing from the same pool following the introduction of the points based system for signing EU based players, it's made the prospect of us bringing in bright young talent from lower leagues was made far more challenging. Couple that with the lack of available finances due to Covid, transfer instalments due and bonuses for avoiding relegation, missing out on primary targets was more likely than ever.
I don't think it's necessarily shaping up to be the worst, but there are some obvious concerns. Bright and Moore being the two obvious ones in my opinion. However, it's not all doom and gloom. I think we can be encouraged by Sheaf and Gyokeres coming back and whilst Waghorn doesn't necessarily fit the model his experience will be invaluable next season.
Given we've had previous success in the loan market I think it's safe to assume that Robins and Badlan will also have identified exciting talent that PL clubs will be more than happy to loan to us as well.
Fair I hadn't read that.
I think this window was always likely to be the most difficult under Robins' tenure. With Championship clubs all fishing from the same pool following the introduction of the points based system for signing EU based players, it's made the prospect of us bringing in bright young talent from lower leagues was made far more challenging. Couple that with the lack of available finances due to Covid, transfer instalments due and bonuses for avoiding relegation, missing out on primary targets was more likely than ever.
I don't think it's necessarily shaping up to be the worst, but there are some obvious concerns. Bright and Moore being the two obvious ones in my opinion. However, it's not all doom and gloom. I think we can be encouraged by Sheaf and Gyokeres coming back and whilst Waghorn doesn't necessarily fit the model his experience will be invaluable next season.
Given we've had previous success in the loan market I think it's safe to assume that Robins and Badlan will also have identified exciting talent that PL clubs will be more than happy to loan to us as well.
Expecting this window as every window can't go perfect this was slow starting missed out on James to start and doesn't feel like a normal robins planned window and more secretive on clubs part.
Players in waghorn average,
Sheaf good prospect after a reasonable loan season.
Viktor same as sheaf promising.
Moore gets match fit an ok sighning.
Bright ,could be the best of the lot.
Defense? million dollar question
I was very fearful the recruitment that summer was poor. Considering five players we had the season before went to Championship clubs (Sterling, Bright, Chaplin, Bayliss and Thomas) it seemed a huge ask to take the club forward. As others have said the late recruitment of Godden, O'Hare and Walsh was absolutely enormous for us. Hopefully this summer will be similar and our best recruitment is still to come.I think the windows are hard to compare under Robins without the context of the fall and rise of the club during that time and the associated increases in budget that comes with promotion. In L2, despite relegation, we were still a big fish in a small pond. That's 3 of the 5 seasons.
I suppose the 2nd season in L1 is perhaps most comparable to this year, as it's the only other time we've played consecutive seasons in the same division under Robins.
At this point we'd signed:
1 July 2019 CM Jamie Allen Burton Albion Undisclosed [25] 1 July 2019 CM Daniel Bartlett Southampton Free transfer [26] 1 July 2019 RB Fankaty Dabo Chelsea Free transfer [27] 1 July 2019 LM Wesley Jobello Gazélec Ajaccio Undisclosed [28] 1 July 2019 LW Gervane Kastaneer NAC Breda Undisclosed [29] 1 July 2019 GK Marko Maroši Doncaster Rovers Free transfer [30] 1 July 2019 CB Kyle McFadzean Burton Albion Free transfer [31] 1 July 2019 CB Josh Pask West Ham United Free transfer [32] 1 July 2019 CB Michael Rose Ayr United Free transfer [33] 1 July 2019 GK Ben Wilson Bradford City Free transfer [34]
Allen and McFadzean were seen as solid signings and people were happy we'd finally replaced Burge with Marosi. Dabo was exciting but was replacing Sterling who'd had a good season. It wasn't particularly exciting then either, aside from some Football Manager style anticipation at our new foreign signings. We'd also just sold Chaplin which, while many were not unhappy to see him go, left us looking light up front.
Robins pulled it all out the bag by adding Godden on a permanent using the Chaplin sale money and added O'Hare and Walsh on loan in August and September.
I guess my point is that when you survive in a division, the improvements are more incremental than when you jump up a division, and that the best deals always happen later in the window when the Prem trickle down starts to happen.
Expecting this window as every window can't go perfect this was slow starting missed out on James to start and doesn't feel like a normal robins planned window and more secretive on clubs part.
Players in waghorn average,
Sheaf good prospect after a reasonable loan season.
Viktor same as sheaf promising.
Moore gets match fit an ok sighning.
Bright ,could be the best of the lot.
Defense? million dollar question
Waghorn average
Defense? million dollar question
But Dave Boddy has said we are signing four more players two permanents & two loans.
And Boddy revealed: “We’re hopeful of landing two or three more before the season starts and that should put us in a strong position for the season ahead, and hopefully a stronger position than this time last year.”
When?
Isn’t that exactly what we did when we signed Hamer last season for £1.3m?
Yeah and look at that one, already paying dividends a year later and we could easily sell for 3x as much so replicate it and do it with Walton & Osti
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Even if we don’t have the money?
You are not going to triple the value of a keeper in a yearYeah and look at that one, already paying dividends a year later and we could easily sell for 3x as much so replicate it and do it with Walton & Osti
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We don’t know what we’ve got, staying in the Championship gets you £6.5m, we’ve also got crowds this year and cheaper overheads playing at home rather than the Blues. Really depends how much the owners want to push really.
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