fernandopartridge
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The same people who talk about how poor we are defensively also talk about what a miss Ostigard will be, and some of them used to slate McCallum
I hope we're nothing like Barnsley, the football they played was atrocious. They'll find their level this season.
I think if you play with a back three and attacking wingbacks while also playing passing football then you want a left footer in at LCB.
It helps maintain the balance in a few ways, firstly the out ball for those players is often the wingback and getting that ball out to them quickly and in front of them can get us on the attack quickly, this was evidenced by Dabo and Rose linking so well in L1 and that area of the field being more effective. It's so much more difficult to play that ball with the other foot, especially when you have an attacker bearing down on you.
It also helps when you face a counter attack and the wingback is high up the pitch on your side, the other wingback or CDM should tuck in as the right back then everybody shifts across so your RCB and MCB are just CBs but your LCB becomes a left back. This isn't as much of an issue if you're playing an inverted winger but if you have a traditional winger running at the byeline they are more likely to make it past the defender and either head into the box of find a late runner.
Ignore the various things people have pointed out. None of us are able to grasp his superior insight.It has been pointed out many times that the way the club is looking to play is to get on the front foot and be aggressive, given how successful that strategy was late on in the season. I'm not sure why you keep referring to playing 10 men behind the ball, it is irrelevant to next season.
Didn't see many people pining for Mings over Maguire in the Euros because Mings is left footed. You pick the three best defenders, regardless of what foot they use. If one of the three is left footed - great, if not it's no big deal.
edit: that guy says exactly what I'm saying - " But I wouldn't be forcing ourselves to sign a left footer over a better right footed player because he's left footed "
Well that's entirely different of course. Then it's a perfect signing.
I'm just saying that being left footed isn't the be all and end all that some are making it out to be. And that I, and I'm sure Robins too, would rather sign a better right footed defender than a slightly inferior left footed defender.
Hyam gets a lot of stick but had a better pass completion rate than Ostigard.
Ignore the various things people have pointed out. None of us are able to grasp his superior insight.
There’s an asterisk there though. IIRC his long pass was a lot worse but his short pass was better. But his short passes tended to be balls to McCallum then balls to McFadzean, not progressive passes. From memory Østigård tried more forward passes but hard to tell from the free stats.
@Frostie have you got anything on your magic apps that can shed light on Østigård vs Hyam distribution wise?
Your points rest on some vague prediction that the defence won’t improve or MR hasn’t thought about it. Why can you speculate but others can’t speculate how we’ll play based on the actual information of the type of players we’ve signed?Calm your tits. Just want people to address the points I’ve actually made and not make shit up or in this case use their mystic Meg powers to predict how we’re going to play or who we’re going to sign.
TBF I still wonder why they can't do their job for 90 minutes more than 3 times a week without falling apart.Shouldn't professional footballers be able to kick the fucking thing with both feet anyway?!
Passes per game:
DH - 47.7
LO - 38.4
Pass completion %:
DH - 74.48
LO - 68.11
Long pass completion %:
DH - 36.91
LO - 39.7%
Forward passes per game:
DH - 23
LO - 22.1
So Hyam has better completion rate, and makes (very slightly) more forward passes per game, so you can't say Ostigard was more progressive. He did have a marginally higher long pass success ratio
yeah fuck 'em, overpaid pricksTBF I still wonder why they can't do their job for 90 minutes more than 3 times a week without falling apart.
Passes per game:
DH - 47.7
LO - 38.4
Pass completion %:
DH - 74.48
LO - 68.11
Long pass completion %:
DH - 36.91
LO - 39.7%
Forward passes per game:
DH - 23
LO - 22.1
So Hyam has better completion rate, and makes (very slightly) more forward passes per game, so you can't say Ostigard was more progressive. He did have a marginally higher long pass success ratio though
Shouldn't professional footballers be able to kick the fucking thing with both feet anyway?!
Shouldn't professional footballers be able to kick the fucking thing with both feet anyway?!
Not at the same time though surely?
Passes per game:
DH - 47.7
LO - 38.4
Pass completion %:
DH - 74.48
LO - 68.11
Long pass completion %:
DH - 36.91
LO - 39.7%
Forward passes per game:
DH - 23
LO - 22.1
So Hyam has better completion rate, and makes (very slightly) more forward passes per game, so you can't say Ostigard was more progressive. He did have a marginally higher long pass success ratio though
Cheers, saved me a job!
I would also agree neither Hyam or Østigård were progressive last season, certainly not in the way McFadzean is for example.
All of this is caveated of course by Hyam playing on his weaker side, I think he'll be much more effective in possession on the right but we shall see.
Østigård will get there in time or be binned by Brighton, simple as. They built from the back with, long passes from Dunk & White which Osti definitely doesn't have in his locker (yet).
Guess I’ll have to accept my irrational dislike of Hyam then.
It's a mystery to me as was this argument that Giles was better than McCallum and the view that James flattered to deceive and Sheaf was rubbish. Some players seem to be underestimated and I do feel body language seems to play a large part in it. The criticism of Walker also seemed to come from a lack of smiling.Hyam has always been solid for us. Not sure why suddenly he’s being questioned? Can only think because his form dipped a bit mid season and he isn’t quick? His gait is a bit odd?
It's a mystery to me as was this argument that Giles was better than McCallum and the view that James flattered to deceive and Sheaf was rubbish. Some players seem to be underestimated and I do feel body language seems to play a large part in it. The criticism of Walker also seemed to come from a lack of smiling.
I know in the end it comes down to personal opinions and that is subjective but for me Hyam did really well last year and was one of our better players. Sure he had a loss of form in the middle of the season but ultimately he played almost all of our matches so I guess Robins must have thought he did well.
Agree with most of that.So many unknowns to determine where this squad is to last season. But until we get into the season, it's the clubs aim is to better 16th. In my opinion to hit that target few things will need to happen, which we will only know in time.
Rose, Jones & Dabo staying fit to workout if this is a level they can perform at. If they do we have improved.
We know Kelly, Gooden and Walker can play at this level but can they get fit and stay fit and be available every week. If they do we have improved.
Is Sheaf a better player than last season is a big one. If so James conversation will go away.
Will, Burroughs, Drysdale, Eccles, Bapaga, Reid, Taveres and Howley show enough to break into game day squads and make impacts that allows them to keep a place. If they do that it allows players deemed as surplus to leave, opening up the budget. That will improve the squad
Lastly Bright and Moore are the ones that could really blow up in our face or prove really good signings. Either way if some of these don't go our way the answer will be this squad hasn't improved and relegation battle will happen.
Our recruitment so far has been pretty good. Signing Kelly and McFaz was necessary. Surprised Hyam was not given a new contract rather than just a one year option. Sheaf was coming anyway but looked good against Wolves. Especially as he apparently had a bad back problem last year. The Chelsea loans look exciting particularly if CS can regain his earlier promise as England u21 captain material. Vivash knows him well so a bonus there. I will be surprised if Moore is not an upgrade in goal. I think we proritised James and he is a big loss if he can keep his fitness. Bright and the return of Jones are hopefully the icing on the cake. Gyo seems to have got better as he has got fitter and Waghorn brings experience and some muscle up front. Godden appears to have put his injury woes behind him, just needs to get match fit. Think we were keen to improve in all areas of the pitch, but the defensive additions appear to be delayed or we missed out for whatever reasons. McCallum was one that got away and Osti I think is out of the picture as he moves onwards an upwards. The fly in the ointment appears to be the Covid situation and the fact we have had a very disjointed pre-season which has resulted in some rather poor results. Hope the same has happened to most teams and will level the playing field. Are we ready for the first few games with so much disruption? We are about to find out.
I thought Hyam did alright overall last season. It was clear about half way through he needed a rest but we had no other centre half fit at the time so he had to keep playing.
He had a couple of games out towards the end and look rejuvenated when he came back into the team.
Now he he has a season of championship football under his belt i bet we will see an improvement in his game.
Also having a fully fit Rose is like a new signing, people tend to forget how good he was in our promotion season, good enough to attract interest from Leeds. I think in the few games he played last season he was rusty but again towards the end he was very good.
I hope Dabo can remain fit as his relationship with Rose on the right hand side was one of the key elements towards our promotion and having that understanding in the team on a consistent basis is important.
I think we do need to add two centre halves to the mix. Clark-Salter has pedigree and experience in the championship. He is also a leader as he has been a Captain for the England U21’s. It’s a bonus he’s left footed as, although it’s not pivotal, it does add a nice balance to the team.
I think Waghorn is a massive improvement up front and we needed an experienced head up that end of the pitch as we were very naive at times, especially when it comes to the dark arts of winning cheap free kicks etc
They are now yes but there was still a link in the press so to me they were still taking a look even it weren’t serious interestThe interest from Leeds wasn’t genuine, with respect to Rose they’re shopping for a totally different level of player
They are now yes but there was still a link in the press so to me they were still taking a look even it weren’t serious interest
Fair enough. The rest of my points still stand thoughIt wasn’t from a credible source the same one which claimed Leeds wanted Westbrooke, that summer they signed at centre back a Spanish international and German international
So are we going to see the anticipated kit reveal and player announcements this evening? I fear a meeage board melt down if they dont materialise today
But we have to wait for the big reveal...of the ticketsToday’s announcement is… Barnsley tickets
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