21/22 Summer transfer mega-thread (34 Viewers)

Yorkshire SB · Aug 10, 2021

Marty said:
I don't doubt that a CB would rather face Walker over Gyorkeres but Gyorkeres is a battering ram, the CB will come out the other side feeling a bit stiff in the morning but Walker is a far superior finisher and has better movement in and around the box. His goal against Watford last season was absolutely superb, on the half volley, drilled it into the bottom corner, with the outside of the foot from outside the box, skysports would be wetting themselves if it was scored by one of the stars in the prem.

I didn't mean because of a physical battle, I meant that Gyokeres has more to his game full stop. Seemingly better at holding up play, winning headers, running the channels, and pressuring defenders. All vital for us. It's why Biamou, despite his shortcomings, played so often last season, often with Walker sat on the bench.

Don't really get your point there either, one good strike doesn't mean he's better than Waghorn and Gyokeres.

Anyway I like Walker, just don't understand the pov that he's our best striker.

shmmeee · Aug 10, 2021

Yorkshire SB said:
I didn't mean because of a physical battle, I meant that Gyokeres has more to his game full stop. Seemingly better at holding up play, winning headers, running the channels, and pressuring defenders. All vital for us. It's why Biamou, despite his shortcomings, played so often last season, often with Walker sat on the bench.

Don't really get your point there either, one good strike doesn't mean he's better than Waghorn and Gyokeres.

Anyway I like Walker, just don't understand the pov that he's our best striker.

He was our top scorer last season firstly.

Biamou played mostly because Walker and Györkeres weren’t fit. That’s why when they were he was binned off.

Yorkshire SB · Aug 10, 2021

shmmeee said:
He was our top scorer last season firstly.

Biamou played mostly because Walker and Györkeres weren’t fit. That’s why when they were he was binned off.

If you're going to make these points at least give provide context.

The point about him being top scorer isn't really valid based on Waghorn not being here and Gyokeres not playing many games. He also scored 7 goals, which is at best, 'ok'.

Whilst there were times when Biamou was there because others were injured, that wasn't the only reason he played. We'd play a game with Walker up top, have no way of progressing up the pitch and then Robins would go with Biamou to try and get a result. Biamou was released because he'd come to the end of his contract, he'd reached his limit and he's older and less valuable. Walker has years left on his contract, and is younger, potential to improve and has value.

shmmeee · Aug 10, 2021

Yorkshire SB said:
If you're going to make these points at least give provide context.

The point about him being top scorer isn't really valid based on Waghorn not being here and Gyokeres not playing many games. He also scored 7 goals, which is at best, 'ok'.

Whilst there were times when Biamou was there because others were injured, that wasn't the only reason he played. We'd play a game with Walker up top, have no way of progressing up the pitch and then Robins would go with Biamou to try and get a result. Biamou was released because he'd come to the end of his contract, he'd reached his limit and he's older and less valuable. Walker has years left on his contract, and is younger, potential to improve and has value.

Walkers GPM equated to 16/17 goals a season, as good as Waghorn has ever done. And much better than he did do at Derby.

Walker can’t play a lone striker, that’s fair. He’s a goal scorer and he’s scored goals consistently at every level he’s played. Even a 23 year old Max wouldn’t be worth a fraction of what Walker is.

COV · Aug 10, 2021

shmmeee said:
Walkers GPM equated to 16/17 goals a season, as good as Waghorn has ever done. And much better than he did do at Derby.

Walker can’t play a lone striker, that’s fair. He’s a goal scorer and he’s scored goals consistently at every level he’s played. Even a 23 year old Max wouldn’t be worth a fraction of what Walker is.

I like the whole “play higher up the pitch” idea and Waghorn is much more suited to that, but don’t like the thought of losing Walker at all.

having said that the GPM can be misleading otherwise Mick Harford was our greatest ever goalscorer- it’s only a metric until the player actually delivers on it.

cc84cov · Aug 10, 2021

shmmeee said:
Walkers GPM equated to 16/17 goals a season, as good as Waghorn has ever done. And much better than he did do at Derby.

Walker can’t play a lone striker, that’s fair. He’s a goal scorer and he’s scored goals consistently at every level he’s played. Even a 23 year old Max wouldn’t be worth a fraction of what Walker is.

I would start walker and Gyo at Barnsley

shmmeee · Aug 10, 2021

COV said:
I like the whole “play higher up the pitch” idea and Waghorn is much more suited to that, but don’t like the thought of losing Walker at all.

having said that the GPM can be misleading otherwise Mick Harford was our greatest ever goalscorer- it’s only a metric until the player actually delivers on it.

We didn’t really do that against Forest though did we?

Walker has scored roughly 1 in 3 at every level he’s played. This isn’t Bakayoko scoring two in ten mins then never playing again. There’s a reason we chased the guy for two years.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 10, 2021

Yorkshire SB said:
I didn't mean because of a physical battle, I meant that Gyokeres has more to his game full stop. Seemingly better at holding up play, winning headers, running the channels, and pressuring defenders. All vital for us. It's why Biamou, despite his shortcomings, played so often last season, often with Walker sat on the bench.

Don't really get your point there either, one good strike doesn't mean he's better than Waghorn and Gyokeres.

Anyway I like Walker, just don't understand the pov that he's our best striker.

I don't get this idea that we can ignore whoever's beyond the first team because they might not start. We're going to need to rotate and have strength beyond just the starting XI to stay the course. As it is we're pretty low on depth in most areas

COV · Aug 10, 2021

shmmeee said:
We didn’t really do that against Forest though did we?

Walker has scored roughly 1 in 3 at every level he’s played. This isn’t Bakayoko scoring two in ten mins then never playing again.

no we didn’t but we probably planned to. Blatantly didn’t work and whether that was because it will never work & we’ve misjudged who we have or first day hiccups- no idea.

I’m agreeing with you on Walker. Only thing is that Walker is only really ever going to be judged on goals, whereas Waghorn is going to be judged on goals too, but maybe just as much on his general ‘forward play’

Yorkshire SB · Aug 10, 2021

shmmeee said:
Walkers GPM equated to 16/17 goals a season, as good as Waghorn has ever done. And much better than he did do at Derby.

Walker can’t play a lone striker, that’s fair. He’s a goal scorer and he’s scored goals consistently at every level he’s played. Even a 23 year old Max wouldn’t be worth a fraction of what Walker is.

Yeah he's a good goal scorer with a proven record (certainly where he's had enough game time in L1 and 2) but I think you have to question the other parts of his game.

I like Walker and I'm not bashing him, but just don't think he warrants a starting place at the moment.

shmmeee · Aug 10, 2021

Yorkshire SB said:
Yeah he's a good goal scorer with a proven record (certainly where he's had enough game time in L1 and 2) but I think you have to question the other parts of his game.

I like Walker and I'm not bashing him, but just don't think he warrants a starting place at the moment.

Maybe it’s me but I think a goal scorer always deserves a position. I also didn’t see much from Waghorn to make his legendary build up play worth dropping your top scorer for.

Walker for me drags defenders about and creates space for the likes of O’Hare to play, I thought that’s what he gave on Sunday. Waghorn seemed to want to drop deep to the same place and it made us easier to defend against.

All opinions though, we’ll see where we are at the end of the season.

Terry_dactyl · Aug 10, 2021

shmmeee said:
Maybe it’s me but I think a goal scorer always deserves a position. I also didn’t see much from Waghorn to make his legendary build up play worth dropping your top scorer for.

Walker for me drags defenders about and creates space for the likes of O’Hare to play, I thought that’s what he gave on Sunday. Waghorn seemed to want to drop deep to the same place and it made us easier to defend against.

All opinions though, we’ll see where we are at the end of the season.

I love that we’ve got genuine first team options upfront…with potentially exciting youngsters waiting to come through.

Sky Blue Pete · Aug 10, 2021

Last 20 Ohare had much more space and gyokeres came alive. Could be many many reasons for that one of them was jones and one was Walker for definite

cc84cov · Aug 10, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Last 20 Ohare had much more space and gyokeres came alive. Could be many many reasons for that one of them was jones and one was Walker for definite

We looked better once Waghorn went off

fernandopartridge · Aug 10, 2021

Waghorn looked to be lacking some sharpness. I think it was the introduction of Jones that made the bigger difference though as his starting position was higher than Maatsen

Marty · Aug 10, 2021

Yorkshire SB said:
I didn't mean because of a physical battle, I meant that Gyokeres has more to his game full stop. Seemingly better at holding up play, winning headers, running the channels, and pressuring defenders. All vital for us. It's why Biamou, despite his shortcomings, played so often last season, often with Walker sat on the bench.

Don't really get your point there either, one good strike doesn't mean he's better than Waghorn and Gyokeres.

Anyway I like Walker, just don't understand the pov that he's our best striker.

That's fair enough, Gyokeres & Waghorn aren't main striker options IMO, neither are particularly good finishers, but they have other things that they bring to it, Walker strikes a ball a lot cleaner, hits the corners a lot more often with shots, forcing the keeper into a save etc. Once he's fully fit and has a run of games, I think he'll be banging them in. It's a Stern John vs Dele Adebola debate. Happy to have a charity bet on which one being top scorer come the end of the season.

Sky Blue Pete · Aug 10, 2021

Marty said:
That's fair enough, Gyokeres & Waghorn aren't main striker options IMO, neither are particularly good finishers, but they have other things that they bring to it, Walker strikes a ball a lot cleaner, hits the corners a lot more often with shots, forcing the keeper into a save etc. Once he's fully fit and has a run of games, I think he'll be banging them in. It's a Stern John vs Dele Adebola debate. Happy to have a charity bet on which one being top scorer come the end of the season.

I think gyokeres may get a lot this year

Colin Steins Smile · Aug 10, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Waghorn looked to be lacking some sharpness. I think it was the introduction of Jones that made the bigger difference though as his starting position was higher than Maatsen

He was slow and I don’t see that improving anytime soon. On a positive he worked hard.

cc84cov · Aug 10, 2021

Colin Steins Smile said:
He was slow and I don’t see that improving anytime soon. On a positive he worked hard.

Couldn’t believe how slow he actually is

Deleted member 9744 · Aug 10, 2021

Marty said:
That's fair enough, Gyokeres & Waghorn aren't main striker options IMO, neither are particularly good finishers, but they have other things that they bring to it, Walker strikes a ball a lot cleaner, hits the corners a lot more often with shots, forcing the keeper into a save etc. Once he's fully fit and has a run of games, I think he'll be banging them in. It's a Stern John vs Dele Adebola debate. Happy to have a charity bet on which one being top scorer come the end of the season.

I think Gyokeres is a good finisher. Never seen him miss a good chance. I think the question is more whether he wil getinto the right positions enough to score a lot of goals. Only time will tell.

Deity · Aug 10, 2021

We could just give it 6 -10 matches and then have a more informed debate on Waghorn

djr8369 · Aug 10, 2021

Waghorn also brings a lot of experience and is decent at freekicks. Let’s not write a player off for being slightly underwhelming in the first game of the season.

He also defends from the front and presses, something which is isn’t a strength of Walker. I suspect this is partly why he’s been brought in. It would be interesting to see how him and Walker play together.

We’ve got four strikers we’d be happy to see start a game, when was the last time that happened?! They will all be needed during a long championship season.

SlowerThanPlatt · Aug 10, 2021

cc84cov said:
Couldn’t believe how slow he actually is

Can’t play CDM then?

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 10, 2021

Colin Steins Smile said:
He was slow and I don’t see that improving anytime soon. On a positive he worked hard.

Also seems he can properly strike a set piece, always nice to have

fatso · Aug 10, 2021

Marty said:
That's fair enough, Gyokeres & Waghorn aren't main striker options IMO, neither are particularly good finishers, but they have other things that they bring to it, Walker strikes a ball a lot cleaner, hits the corners a lot more often with shots, forcing the keeper into a save etc. Once he's fully fit and has a run of games, I think he'll be banging them in. It's a Stern John vs Dele Adebola debate. Happy to have a charity bet on which one being top scorer come the end of the season.

I definitely think Stern John will score more than Dele Adebola!

Happy_Martian · Aug 10, 2021

Deity said:
We could just give it 6 -10 matches and then have a more informed debate on Waghorn

Please don't apply logic when discussing Coventry City on this forum You have to sit at either end of the extreme see-saw, not in the middle

Northeast sky blue · Aug 10, 2021

Will tomorrow be JCS day

procdoc · Aug 10, 2021

cc84cov said:
Couldn’t believe how slow he actually is

He’s never had blistering pace. Can’t believe some of the comments based off an hour of football. Same clueless individuals were saying in pre-season that Waghorn and Gyo are our best partnership.
Fucking clueless

AFCCOVENTRY · Aug 10, 2021

I suspect

Northeast sky blue said:
Will tomorrow be JCS day

Or JCH

Martin180 · Aug 10, 2021

Waghorn seemed to be playing in the areas that you’d normally see O’Hare running in to , for me he stifled him as an attacking threat . Was no coincidence that when Waghorn was subbed O’Hare suddenly had more space and was able to create more

Hopefully Robins will be working on that in training

Legia Sky Blue · Aug 10, 2021

Its a long season and all our forwards should get plenty of game time. While Gyokeres and Waghorn have started the season as the favoured starters, different opposition will require different approaches and we will need them all to do their bit.

usskyblue · Aug 10, 2021

Legia Sky Blue said:
Its a long season and all our forwards should get plenty of game time. While Gyokeres and Waghorn have started the season as the favoured starters, different opposition will require different approaches and we will need them all to do their bit.

How fucking dare you. Who do you think you are m8? Waltzing on here….with your rational observations.

You’ll wet the bed like the rest of us

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 10, 2021

Not Allsop's finest moment, 2-0.

Yes I did float him as a possibility in the summer

Bugsy · Aug 10, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not Allsop's finest moment, 2-0.

Yes I did float him as a possibility in the summer

I didn't know that and there was me thinking you was one of the intelligent one's on this forum, well never again
.....PUSB

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 10, 2021

Bugsy said:
I didn't know that and there was me thinking you was one of the intelligent one's on this forum, well never again
.....PUSB

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