3 Critical Days in the History of Coventry City (1 Viewer)

[Deleted member 5849]

So why all the 'protest' BS again?

There's been nudge, nudge, wink, wink for a good year plus, and we're still exactly where we are when this began, absolutely no further forward.

It would be crazy not to plan ideas to show that we're not happy because, well... we're not happy... are we?!?

 

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[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

It seems to me that there is an element, indeed a real possibility we could be coming back to the Ricoh under a temporary deal of some kind. It's all a bit hush hush and as the OP suggested there are a couple of dates with obstacles to overcome that seem a forgone conclusion and then a deal seems likely.
So why all the 'protest' BS again? I'm sick of the suggestion. Get over it and simply support the message for once that both sides may have a coming together by the end of next week. Then if either side (Otium or ACL) want to refute or dispute any of it and continue with their indifference, then open the flood gates of protest and make sure it's aimed at the ones causing the indifference.
I'll hold my breath until then and I suggest all you do-gooders and protesters do the same. "Protest against SISU investors"...really? What planet are you on with this little crusade anyway?

Just wait and see what happens next. Sounds like we may have come full circle and both sides need to make some sort of deal. Here's hoping and I'll believe it when I see it.

Sorry I must have missed this "Protest against Sisu investors" when is this?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

nice try. i love my football club enough tho to make a short term sacrifice in the hope of long term gain. sisu will not get me to northampton under any circumstances whatsoever. thanks

You think this is a short term sacrifice and I thought Ken was deluded.

 

[Jack Griffin]

kcic statement certainly suggested that they were stopping protests at the request of the trust, because the trust didn't believe it would be helpful after you had met Seppala.

https://www.facebook.com/KeepCovInC...8571966556656/681434878603696/?type=1&theater

Did I miss the report of the meeting with Seppala? Anyone got a link?

Now you may well ask that and also why KCIC plainly state that the matter was discussed at the AGM but it is not even mentioned in the AGM minutes
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index...408-annual-general-meeting-minutes-21-07-2014

Perhaps Steve or Jan could explain that...

 

[percy]

You think this is a short term sacrifice and I thought Ken was deluded.

yeah, probably like yourself ive supported us for many years now. as ive said before i feel the best way of protest is to not turn up at all. it pains me to say it and do it but thats how i feel. i dont think the protests are working really, ive been on the marches wich were great but im not sure how much impact its had on things.

 

[Jack Griffin]

It seems to me that there is an element, indeed a real possibility we could be coming back to the Ricoh under a temporary deal of some kind. It's all a bit hush hush and as the OP suggested there are a couple of dates with obstacles to overcome that seem a forgone conclusion and then a deal seems likely.
So why all the 'protest' BS again? I'm sick of the suggestion. Get over it and simply support the message for once that both sides may have a coming together by the end of next week. Then if either side (Otium or ACL) want to refute or dispute any of it and continue with their indifference, then open the flood gates of protest and make sure it's aimed at the ones causing the indifference.
I'll hold my breath until then and I suggest all you do-gooders and protesters do the same. "Protest against SISU investors"...really? What planet are you on with this little crusade anyway?

Just wait and see what happens next. Sounds like we may have come full circle and both sides need to make some sort of deal. Here's hoping and I'll believe it when I see it.

He is not suggesting that at all, you are.

 

[ccfc92]

I understand that. But surely one match would make a point. If it doesn't at least we tried it.
This 'is' the game to miss. The lads will understand.

You would have thought. But no, they can't miss a game at sixfields.

 

[lamtara2006]

... the OP suggested there are a couple of dates with obstacles to overcome that seem a forgone conclusion and then a deal seems likely.
So why all the 'protest' BS again?

Thursday 14th ought to be a 'foregone conclusion' but experience suggests that certainties about Sisu / Otium and payment of monies due is rarely quite that straight forward.
Friday 15th is far from a certainty, in fact I suggested exactly the opposite. I believe that Sisu will press ahead with the Appeal and thereby dash any hope of an immediate return.
I hope that I am proved wrong but as things stand I believe we will be no further forward by the end of the week. Hence the wish to apply whatever pressure we can as fans, including 'protest BS' as you put it.
We get limited opportunities to expose those responsible for our situation to the glare of media attention beyond Coventry. There may not be another one for months.

 

[lamtara2006]

it is something we can help influence tho if everyone stuck together and firm on it. im sticking by my morals thanks

I fail to see how protesting from the Hill would compromise your morals. It doesn't help Sisu at all, financially or otherwise. But I'm sure that you and your morals will have a nice evening watching on TV.

 

[percy]

I fail to see how protesting from the Hill would compromise your morals. It doesn't help Sisu at all, financially or otherwise. But I'm sure that you and your morals will have a nice evening watching on TV.

i can assure you me and my morals will have a nice evening. sorry if i have offended anyone here by the way it is genuinely not my intention to do so. its just that i swore that i personally wouldnt go to nothampton at all. fair play to anyone else that feels they are helping by doing so. everyone is different but thats just how i feel about things.

 

[TheOldFive]

There should be a protest at Highfield Road, at the Houses, to commemorate where it all started. If we could fix football we could rebuild HF and I think the Trust could do this if we got some exposure on Sky etc.

 

[shmmeee]

Now, I went to that Trust meeting, and it certainly wasn't that they were stopping protests because the trust had met Seppala. Those two statements are both true (well, in terms of the fact members of the trust had met Seppala), and were both said at that meeting... but it certainly wasn't cause and effect!

Fair enough. But was there a report of the Seppala meeting? Or was it reported at the Trust meeting? Just wondering what happened.

Not really bothered about the resolution, was a bit ranty from the start. Though as with everything in this shitstorm, there's a need to keep the ranty from ranting at you because you didn't look like you were listening to the rants. If that makes sense.

 

[Jack Griffin]

Fair enough. But was there a report of the Seppala meeting? Or was it reported at the Trust meeting? Just wondering what happened.

Not really bothered about the resolution, was a bit ranty from the start. Though as with everything in this shitstorm, there's a need to keep the ranty from ranting at you because you didn't look like you were listening to the rants. If that makes sense.

Bump.

Only the SBT committee know, as far as I can tell, no details of the meeting have been put online and no mention of it was made in the SBT AGM minutes, despite both NW and Michael Orton saying it was discussed there.

I asked if Jan or Steve could comment, they have not replied, somehow I don't expect they will, you can decide for yourself why that is.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Bump.

Only the SBT committee know, as far as I can tell, no details of the meeting have been put online and no mention of it was made in the SBT AGM minutes, despite both NW and Michael Orton saying it was discussed there.

I asked if Jan or Steve could comment, they have not replied, somehow I don't expect they will, you can decide for yourself why that is.

It wasn't discussed, just a trust member said they'd met Seppala.

If it's an irrelevance, or nothing to be said about said meeting, not entirely sure that full disclosure of the detail would be a welcome or helpful thing, personally.

 

[ashbyjan]

Jack - there was a meeting with Seppala - the meeting itself wasn't discussed at the AGM but it was brought up by a former board member who had decided to make an issue of the fact that he hadn't been invited to attend. Those attending the meeting were asked by SISU to keep the details of the meeting private, which they have done. The exact line from the AGM minutes describing the matter was "A Member asked that the Trust Board should consider adopting a protocol whereby all Board members should be informed about any proposed external meetings." THis matter will be discussed at the next TRust Board meeting next Monday and minutes of that meeting will be available shortly afterwards.

 

[lamtara2006]

Jack - there was a meeting with Seppala - the meeting itself wasn't discussed at the AGM but it was brought up by a former board member who had decided to make an issue of the fact that he hadn't been invited to attend. Those attending the meeting were asked by SISU to keep the details of the meeting private, which they have done. The exact line from the AGM minutes describing the matter was "A Member asked that the Trust Board should consider adopting a protocol whereby all Board members should be informed about any proposed external meetings." THis matter will be discussed at the next TRust Board meeting next Monday and minutes of that meeting will be available shortly afterwards.

Just when we were getting a good Conspiracy Theory started!!!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Just when we were getting a good Conspiracy Theory started!!!

The problem with starting one, is there's always an equal and oppositite conspiracy theory that can be given in return. tbf your use of exclamation makrs suggests the conspiracy that you are skybluejohn

 

[shmmeee]

Jack - there was a meeting with Seppala - the meeting itself wasn't discussed at the AGM but it was brought up by a former board member who had decided to make an issue of the fact that he hadn't been invited to attend. Those attending the meeting were asked by SISU to keep the details of the meeting private, which they have done. The exact line from the AGM minutes describing the matter was "A Member asked that the Trust Board should consider adopting a protocol whereby all Board members should be informed about any proposed external meetings." THis matter will be discussed at the next TRust Board meeting next Monday and minutes of that meeting will be available shortly afterwards.

Poor.

Either you're working for the members or you're not. Agreeing to keep the members in the dark isn't working for them.

Personal opinion and all, but I joined the Trust to be part of a collective, not to enable someone to feel like a super fan. I've just emailed cancelling my membership.

 

[Hobo]

OP three critical days Wednesday 14th Thursday 14th and Friday 15th? Yes a new calendar two 14th's to avoid that unlucky day 13th!

Somewhere in there is a football match.
Maybe some transfer activity?

In such a critical week we are just into Monday and already CET have restrictions put on their live press releases. It's going to be a week for conspiracy theories, doom merchants and some optimistic twaddle for the sake of balance.


Hold on to your hats a keen wind is blowing out there.

 

[Jack Griffin]

Jack - there was a meeting with Seppala - the meeting itself wasn't discussed at the AGM but it was brought up by a former board member who had decided to make an issue of the fact that he hadn't been invited to attend. Those attending the meeting were asked by SISU to keep the details of the meeting private, which they have done. The exact line from the AGM minutes describing the matter was "A Member asked that the Trust Board should consider adopting a protocol whereby all Board members should be informed about any proposed external meetings." THis matter will be discussed at the next TRust Board meeting next Monday and minutes of that meeting will be available shortly afterwards.

Clever wording, but basically as I understand it a SBT board member resigned over this issue, brought it up at the AGM to highlight the fact that only SISU approved board members were kept in the loop & then subsequently it seems like the AGM minutes have been written in such a way as to to hide the nature of the disagreement.

Details of the meeting with Seppala may well be confidential, I can understand that, but I can't understand why the fact that a meeting took place was not even mentioned in the SBT AGM minutes when it was by your own admission brought up at the AGM. Was it part of an agreement with Joy to not even say that a meeting took place, if it was I find an agreement like that unacceptable, the SBT needs to be much more open than that or it lets the fans down.

 

[Noggin]

Just when we were getting a good Conspiracy Theory started!!!

sounds like the opposite to me, Jan just confirmed the conspiracy theory, he just told us the trust are having meetings with sepala that they won't share information on at sisus request and he made it sound like someone having a problem with that is bitter sour grapes when it sounds like actually that persons views are the ones we should be listening too.

I've been very disappointed in the trust since the scg told them off and insisted they play nicely, that demand should have been met with outrage by the trust yet it seems it was meekly agreed too.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Some of the paranoia on here is ludcirous.

 

[Jack Griffin]

Some of the paranoia on here is ludcirous.

Paranoia is generally about a perceived threat that is imagined, I'm pointing out things that happened that have been hushed up. How people interpret that and react is up to them.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I'm not particularly outraged; and don't have a theory to throw into the ring either. But why would any meeting be kept secret? I would have thought it would be in the best interests of all involved - SISU as they're engaging with 'a' fans body, and the SBT as they're representing 'a' fans view at the top table - to tell folk that at least 'some' dialogue is taking place.

It's sort of perverse to criticise folk for paranoia or conspiracy theories when even the fans body is seemingly meeting and not even telling it's members that meetings are taking place, let alone any content. That's exactly the atmosphere in which conjecture will become wild

 

[John_Silletts_Nose]

Jack - there was a meeting with Seppala - the meeting itself wasn't discussed at the AGM but it was brought up by a former board member who had decided to make an issue of the fact that he hadn't been invited to attend. Those attending the meeting were asked by SISU to keep the details of the meeting private, which they have done. The exact line from the AGM minutes describing the matter was "A Member asked that the Trust Board should consider adopting a protocol whereby all Board members should be informed about any proposed external meetings." THis matter will be discussed at the next TRust Board meeting next Monday and minutes of that meeting will be available shortly afterwards.

To keep the meeting private is in direct conflict with the Sky Blue Trust constitution, in particular rule 111.1:
111. The Society shall ensure that minutes are kept of all:
111.1. Proceedings at meetings of the Society; and
111.2. Proceedings at meetings of the Board of Directors and its sub-committees which include names of the Directors present, decisions made and the reasons for those decisions.
111.3. Minutes of meetings will be read at the next meeting and signed by the Chair of that meeting. The signed minutes will be conclusive evidence of the events of the meeting.

As you are representing the "Society" in a meeting with Joy Seppala Florence you should have minuted this meeting. As a society for representing fans you should publicise any such meeting and provide details.

When a society that is supposed to represent the fans is colluding with such actions in contradiction to their own constitution then faith is lost in the Sky Blue Trust.

The secret meetings which SISU and CCFC conduct only make the fans divide.

You have broken your own rules and the fans trust, I suggest immediate publication of the minutes and details on the meeting plus any other activities should be published.

 

[ashbyjan]

Jack and Noggin - A board is elected to represent its members as best it can - there will be occasions where a stance has to be taken which not everyone is going to agree with or like etc. However the Trust is a democratic organisation and there are places up for election to the SBT board in October. If you are Trust members you are more than welcome to stand for election and help us make better decisions.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It's sort of perverse to criticise folk for paranoia or conspiracy theories when even the fans body is seemingly meeting and not even telling it's members that meetings are taking place, let alone any content. That's exactly the atmosphere in which conjecture will become wild

It did tell its members, hence I know.

Maybe more need to actually turn up to the meetings? It ties in to some of the posts on here that it's all very well bitching about it, but there can be some doing too. Someone who goes to Sixfields said to me that the 'hillers' had won his respect because they were always there, rain or shine, and had shown they care.

Isn't that the kind of message that's better served, rather than the sound of fury, signifying nothing? Isn't it better to show a message that we all care, but are divided not through our choice?

But no, time and time again it reduces to the petty.

It's sort of perverse to look for drama in a desire, a need for crisis.

And Jan has come back swiftly enough here too, what more is he expected to do? Make up some content to satisfy the need for a good crisis?

 

[lamtara2006]

OP three critical days Wednesday 14th Thursday 14th and Friday 15th? Yes a new calendar two 14th's to avoid that unlucky day 13th!

Somewhere in there is a football match.
Maybe some transfer activity?

In such a critical week we are just into Monday and already CET have restrictions put on their live press releases. It's going to be a week for conspiracy theories, doom merchants and some optimistic twaddle for the sake of balance.


Hold on to your hats a keen wind is blowing out there.

Thanks for spotting my 'schoolboy error' - now corrected.

 

[Jack Griffin]

Jack and Noggin - A board is elected to represent its members as best it can - there will be occasions where a stance has to be taken which not everyone is going to agree with or like etc. However the Trust is a democratic organisation and there are places up for election to the SBT board in October. If you are Trust members you are more than welcome to stand for election and help us make better decisions.

What and get some idiotic online malcontent idiot critisising my every move, no thanks.

If you had followed your own rules (or changed them if they are unworkable) then you wouldn't have been caught out like this..

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What and get some idiotic online malcontent idiot critisising my every move, no thanks.

tbf it's the problem, full-stop isn't it.

Sure we all have a view what we'd like to do, and sure we all have many hundreds of different views as a result!

Who wants to stand up and be shouted at by your fellow board members, however, let alone the rest of us?

Go ranty and shouty? You get the likes of me having a go. Head to the middle ground? You have others having a go. Don't talk to Fisher? You have me having a go for cutting off comms. Talk to Fisher? Some decide you become his mouthpiece.

Every now and again maybe we all need to step back and appreciate that we can all have a view but, at the end of the day, everybody involved volunteers their time. Maybe if we're not happy about who chooses to do that, we need to think not just about standing ourselves, but how to make it more attractive for those who may be inclined to stand.

Don't we, as fans, sometimes stop those who may have useful expertise from getting involved?

And don't we sometimes have to accept the execution may not be ideal, but there's a time and a place for feeding that back... and maybe the focus in this instance should be on at least trying to get as many as possible willing to involve themselves at some level?

Because the danger is if sod all people turn up it just sends a message sod all people care... and then where's the incentive for CCC/ACL/SISU/FL/Joy Seppala's Cat to take any notice of us?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

It did tell its members, hence I know.

Maybe more need to actually turn up to the meetings? It ties in to some of the posts on here that it's all very well bitching about it, but there can be some doing too. Someone who goes to Sixfields said to me that the 'hillers' had won his respect because they were always there, rain or shine, and had shown they care.

Isn't that the kind of message that's better served, rather than the sound of fury, signifying nothing? Isn't it better to show a message that we all care, but are divided not through our choice?

But no, time and time again it reduces to the petty.

It's sort of perverse to look for drama in a desire, a need for crisis.

And Jan has come back swiftly enough here too, what more is he expected to do? Make up some content to satisfy the need for a good crisis?

Well I - and other members didn't know - look above. How did you find out? How were you informed?

I agree, Jan has offered a response and quickly. For that he should be thanked. However, not everyone has the time to be 'involved'; but that doesn't stop everyone who does subscribe but cannot, or doesn't wish to participate holding the senior officers to account.

Oh, and this 'looking for' things to bitch about allegation is tiresome. None of us want a third-tier team, lurching from crisis to crisis, playing almost 40 miles down the road, owned by this week's holding company fronted by people who don't care for us, and investors who probably don't know us. And us certainly them in return.

There is a lot to be unhappy about right now. Some of the feedback outed there from is reasoned, other bits not. But this habitual high-handed knocking of discontent - given the landscape before us - as above, really is tiresome

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But this habitual high-handed knocking of discontent - given the landscape before us - as above, really is tiresome

The hypocrisy there is truly astonishing, given your recent approach to hectoring long windedness.

I found out by going to the meeting. It was a nothing statement within the meeting and I, frankly, thought nothing of it afterwards. Personally I would hope that the default setting is the Trust talk to people involved with CCFC, I don't expect that to be a revelation.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

The hypocrisy there is truly astonishing, given your recent approach to hectoring long windedness.

I don't see any hypocrisy in that whatsoever

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I don't see any hypocrisy in that whatsoever

You wouldn't.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

The hypocrisy there is truly astonishing, given your recent approach to hectoring long windedness.

I found out by going to the meeting. It was a nothing statement within the meeting and I, frankly, thought nothing of it afterwards. Personally I would hope that the default setting is the Trust talk to people involved with CCFC, I don't expect that to be a revelation.

Going back to this one as you've evidently edited it with further information. Which meeting? I check the minutes on-line. Was a meeting with Joy - perhaps touched upon in a meeting - not worth minuting for the balance of us not in attendance to read about?

In the minutes dated 16/06, it states: Joy Seppala It was agreed to ask for a meeting with Joy Seppala, who has previously refused to meet the Trust

Is this it? It doesn't state a meeting had happened...