What do you mean her new boyfriend is " harder" . Is he going to put the frighteners on the old boyfriend ? Sounds like a quick fix but might make things worse .
As for her getting no support , that comes from family surely ? Or is this something at school ?
I don't mean to sound unsympathetic but stuff like this is a hornets nest .
Good for her telling him to back off. Absolutely within her right to do so. He's a fucking coward and needs to be warned off in no uncertain terms by the school.I mean in school. We’ve been in and talked and she gets support from her tutor, but she’s got in trouble for telling him or back off or once when he threatened to hit her her boyfriend telling him to back off in no uncertain terms (I didn’t agree with that TBH) and ultimately that’s where she sees him. The lad is a coward is all I mean, I’m not going to go into all the details on here but thanks for your concern.
We try, but we don’t have the resources and probably more pressing we just don’t get given the time to do so.Wow, all that at 14???
Mine is 15 and not had those issues yet but I dread to think.
Schools are doing a bit more about "healthy relationships" nowadays but not really enough.
We try, but we don’t have the resources and probably more pressing we just don’t get given the time to do so.
Some boys just don’t understand how to process or rationalise rejection. It can then manifest itself in misogyny (unintended and intended) and aggression. Kids are taught about consent, but the link tends to associate it with sexual activity when in fact it also needs to include unwanted attention.It’s really hard to have a behaviour policy for, like any relationship stuff or bullying. Always teenagers saying he said she said, I get it. Just felt that the context of a recent relationship breakup and the gender imbalance should have been accounted for more, as should signs of boys being aggressive towards girls. I don’t think the places exist to even signpost students to let alone integrate it into the curriculum.
I am so glad i don't have any children having to face these issues in this day and age. It all seemed so much simpler in the 70s when i was growing up. Is it that boys watch too much porn or shit peddled by Tate and his like, so they assume girls are there for the taking? Or is it pressure to conform due to social media, etc?
It's always been there. Women are more empowered in relationships than they used to be (including whether to be in them!), and that doesn't go down well with some men.I am so glad i don't have any children having to face these issues in this day and age. It all seemed so much simpler in the 70s when i was growing up. Is it that boys watch too much porn or shit peddled by Tate and his like, so they assume girls are there for the taking? Or is it pressure to conform due to social media, etc?
I was focussing on the general issues of behaviour towards girls raised by others in this thread, not the killing aspect. Apologies for not making that clear.Andrew Tate and porn videos don't tell people to kill each other. If anything the former 'teaches' more of an abundance mindset, especially with rejection.
The reality is that society is getting worse, with more and more people being raised badly, or not at all. This guy here has a brother already in prison, which says it all. The gender thing is an interesting one, but there's always a massive double standard there on a general level anyway. Obviously in this scenario it doesn't look great though, and what this guy has done is severely twisted.
I was focussing on the general issues of behaviour towards girls raised by others in this thread, not the killing aspect. Apologies for not making that clear.
I am so glad i don't have any children having to face these issues in this day and age. It all seemed so much simpler in the 70s when i was growing up. Is it that boys watch too much porn or shit peddled by Tate and his like, so they assume girls are there for the taking? Or is it pressure to conform due to social media, etc?
There’s definitely been backlash post edgy social media. Schools have been reporting an uptick in misogyny for a while. I didn’t see as much of it when I taught seven or eight years ago as I understand there is now. Edgy kids were still making holocaust jokes and stanning for Donald Trump then. So I do think it’s more particular social media cultures than porn or whatever that’s been around for a while.
I will say in my last few years of teaching, once boys went down the Tate rabbit hole it was very hard to get them out of it. It takes some very carefully put counter arguments from respected male teachers to help with that.Definitely seems to be a thing:
In February 2023, courses for teachers in the United Kingdom sold out on how to address Tate's views.[106] The head of UK counter-terror policing has stated "I'm concerned about the effect of that kind of rhetoric in the minds of young boys", regarding what was described as violent misogyny and other forms of extremist content, distributed online by Tate.[107] In April 2023, the Department for Education (DfE) discouraged discussion of Tate, with many citing his influence regarding sexual harassment and misogynistic incidents, and co-founder of charity Diversify expressing frustration over the refusal to provide any resources or training for teachers.[104]
In October 2023, the Australian government allocated AUD$3.5 million (£1.8 million) to counter "harmful gender stereotypes perpetuated online", in response to young fans of Tate who have been described as "increasingly bringing misogynist views into Australian schools." According to researchers at Monash University, Australian teachers have quit their jobs, students openly espoused "male supremacist" views, and Tate's views have shaped the way women and girls are treated by boys
It's been like that since I was a teenager. Perhaps now some don't expect rejection and think they have a right to take what they understand to be theirs by right.Some boys just don’t understand how to process or rationalise rejection. It can then manifest itself in misogyny (unintended and intended) and aggression. Kids are taught about consent, but the link tends to associate it with sexual activity when in fact it also needs to include unwanted attention.
I see someone has been arrested for planning to rape and murder Holly Willoughby along these lines.It's been like that since I was a teenager. Perhaps now some don't expect rejection and think they have a right to take what they understand to be theirs by right.
He's been tried and sentenced to life, with a minimum tariff of 16 years.I see someone has been arrested for planning to rape and murder Holly Willoughby along these lines.
I think porn definitely plays a part. I see these kids talking about back shots and choking out etc when in fucking year 8.Andrew Tate and porn videos don't tell people to kill each other. If anything the former 'teaches' more of an abundance mindset, especially with rejection.
The reality is that society is getting worse, with more and more people being raised badly, or not at all. This guy here has a brother already in prison, which says it all. The gender thing is an interesting one, but there's always a massive double standard there on a general level anyway. Obviously in this scenario it doesn't look great though, and what this guy has done is severely twisted.
Daily wowI think porn definitely plays a part. I see these kids talking about back shots and choking out etc when in fucking year 8.
At their age page 3 was the most exciting thing in world. Or the Argos catalogue.
Definitely think it's easier to escalate and warp minds now. Many many people are addicted to porn and don't know it I think. It's become normal to wank to porn daily it seems for so many males.
Page 3 was essentially porn though and it’s existed for centuries and there’s nothing morally wrong with men and women watching porn.I think porn definitely plays a part. I see these kids talking about back shots and choking out etc when in fucking year 8.
At their age page 3 was the most exciting thing in world. Or the Argos catalogue.
Definitely think it's easier to escalate and warp minds now. Many many people are addicted to porn and don't know it I think. It's become normal to wank to porn daily it seems for so many males.
At my last school we had cases of Year 7s sending nudes to each other. Phones and technology kept unchecked have caused huge damage for people who aren’t being kept safe in using themI think porn definitely plays a part. I see these kids talking about back shots and choking out etc when in fucking year 8.
At their age page 3 was the most exciting thing in world. Or the Argos catalogue.
Definitely think it's easier to escalate and warp minds now. Many many people are addicted to porn and don't know it I think. It's become normal to wank to porn daily it seems for so many males.
I have no idea if true but my gut feeling would be the females in new generations try more acts than previous generations because it's normalised through pornPage 3 was essentially porn though and it’s existed for centuries and there’s nothing morally wrong with men and women watching porn.
I think it’s more the type of porn that’s about now more than anything else and its representation of women. I read something recently about younger generations being into choking each other during sex which would have been pretty rare years ago.
If people experiment more then it means both genders are doing so and is normal as society changes (not talking about choking and slapping).I have no idea if true but my gut feeling would be the females in new generations try more acts than previous generations.
Yeah. Porn is changing society. That's all I mean really. Some negatives to that though of courseIf people experiment more then it means both genders are doing so and is normal as society changes (not talking about choking and slapping).
Yes, but there is an overlap. If you've got young boys seeing some of the degrading stuff out there then their ideas and expectations will be being warped at a very impressionable age. If some of the first things they see regarding sex are women being treated like pieces of meat then that is what they'll grow up thinking it's like.I think we're conflating two things here, children having access to porn at a worryingly young age and possessive men not dealing with rejection.
The former is a fairly new phenomenon, the 2nd is as old as time.
It’s more the internet and the ease of access to the variation of it rather than porn itself.Yeah. Porn is changing society. That's all I mean really. Some negatives to that though of course
I think we're conflating two things here, children having access to porn at a worryingly young age and possessive men not dealing with rejection.
The former is a fairly new phenomenon, the 2nd is as old as time.
Ish but availability is increasing pressure on young women to perform practices that are portrayed as normal but aren’t. The control issue is linked as degradation and control of women is normalised in these scenarios.
Yes, but there is an overlap. If you've got young boys seeing some of the degrading stuff out there then their ideas and expectations will be being warped at a very impressionable age. If some of the first things they see regarding sex are women being treated like pieces of meat then that is what they'll grow up thinking it's like.
It’s people going down rabbit holes, in my view. And it’s never been easier to get sucked into them now, more so when you’re a child or teenager who doesn’t know any better.This is the theory. Is there actually anything to back it up? A bit like the incel thing where people assumed they were more misogynistic but research showed the opposite.
Porn was one of the first things that spread online. I remember getting sent wheresmywatch.jpg and watching scat porn with a mate for the lols aged 13 in 1994.
Im open minded but it all feels a bit violence in video games to me. I’d definitely say social media has done more to spread terrible ideologies all round and the timing matches up (mid 2010s)
This is the theory. Is there actually anything to back it up? A bit like the incel thing where people assumed they were more misogynistic but research showed the opposite.
Porn was one of the first things that spread online. I remember getting sent wheresmywatch.jpg and watching scat porn with a mate for the lols aged 13 in 1994.
Im open minded but it all feels a bit violence in video games to me. I’d definitely say social media has done more to spread terrible ideologies all round and the timing matches up (mid 2010s)
I think the issue is also these people blurring lines between the bedroom/role playing and everyday society.It normalises deviant sexual acts and normalises subservience and abuse
I'd say social media definitely made the misogny worse, as there's an easy way to get in contact with others that think the same way and get in an echo chamber. But at the same time if the stuff like porn wasn't there there wouldn't be that visual confirmation that women are there to gratify males.This is the theory. Is there actually anything to back it up? A bit like the incel thing where people assumed they were more misogynistic but research showed the opposite.
Porn was one of the first things that spread online. I remember getting sent wheresmywatch.jpg and watching scat porn with a mate for the lols aged 13 in 1994.
Im open minded but it all feels a bit violence in video games to me. I’d definitely say social media has done more to spread terrible ideologies all round and the timing matches up (mid 2010s)
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