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So you would disagree with Wimbledon supporters who say that they still support the same club?
So you would disagree with Wimbledon supporters who say that they still support the same club?It wouldn't, it would be a new club. It wouldn't have the memories, the tradition.
If we had gone bust then cov utd would have been at the time.
No I agree Nick, as I've already said if CCFC go to the wall my interest would go with them, as you say it
Wouldn't be the same, all my memories, good and bad times with city are intertwined with family and
Growing up. I would watch football on TV and go too games occasionally, but as for actually following
A team, that would be firmly in the memory bank.
Not in any of our lifetimes.
Exactly, it wouldn't be my team...But Nick , is Chasetown away on a Tuesday night any different to say Bury or Rochdale. I go to see my team and my team only , personally I don't give two hoots to who the opposition are.
Anyone who goes purely to watch a game of football have a huge choice of prem and championship football within 50 mile of here.
There would be no history.Same club though, our history. Would be the same with AFC CoventryCity.
No I would say their interpretation of their club is for them to decide, as is mineSo you would disagree with Wimbledon supporters who say that they still support the same club?
I disagree. It's history would be the same. To all intents and purposes it would be the same club just like Wimbledon and Rangers as mentioned above. What would be different?
No I would say their interpretation of their club is for them to decide, as is mine
I've said this before I own the history you own the history we as fans own the history in fact more than you thinkThere would be no history.
I've said this before I own the history you own the history we as fans own the history in fact more than you think
I also own the memories, they aren't with afc Coventry. That's the thing.I've said this before I own the history you own the history we as fans own the history in fact more than you think
No I agree Nick, as I've already said if CCFC go to the wall my interest would go with them, as you say it
Wouldn't be the same, all my memories, good and bad times with city are intertwined with family and
Growing up. I would watch football on TV and go too games occasionally, but as for actually following
A team, that would be firmly in the memory bank.
Not in any of our lifetimes.
My most vivid memories of following city are the early ones, mid to late 70s, as a young boy
Going with dad & brother, the whole experience was mesmerising.
We would park 3 or 4 streets from the ground, as soon as you got out the car you could hear
The crowd and smell the smoke, I was absolutely hooked from day one.
My old man is no longer with us, and when he was we didn't always see eye to eye, but one
Thing we always had in common was CCFC, if they went to the wall that would be it, an AFC
Would have no connection to the past for me and TBH would give me a way out.
Supporting this club has become all consuming and exhausting for all the wrong reasons, not
To mention depressing.
If we went out of business and a new club was built (whatever it's name) I would give it a go. If the fans make it a reborn CCFC then that's what it will be. If fans don't and want something new and fresh then so be it.
When we changed from singers to CCFC it probably seemed right for that time and I suspect the majority went along with it.
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Not for me, it wouldn't be the only factor either, football has changed beyond allBut what difference is that Bry? I remember us as the Bantams. The Heart of the Club will always be the same though.
Thanks that's very kind, I honestly don't think I could face it though.Your memories Bry are similar to mine, of going to the game with my old man, who like yours is sadly no longer with us.
If the club went down the pan, and a phoenix club evolved it would be sad to lose fans like you. If it ever happened I could always buy you a ticket and you come along to see what you thought. It would be worth a try?
Thanks that's very kind, I honestly don't think I could face it though.
Not for me, it wouldn't be the only factor either, football has changed beyond all
Recognition from when I started going, and definitely not in a good way.
I still see shimmer of light at the end of the tunnel, and my heart tells me thatWere not there yet though, so hopefully we are near the end of SISU's tenure and we can move on as CCFC.
What would your view on Wimbledon be? To me and to most football supporters I would think, they are the same club. Why would we be different. As you say all down to a personal view. I just cannot see why the AFC version is not the same.No I would say their interpretation of their club is for them to decide, as is mine
My most vivid memories of following city are the early ones, mid to late 70s, as a young boy
Going with dad & brother, the whole experience was mesmerising.
We would park 3 or 4 streets from the ground, as soon as you got out the car you could hear
The crowd and smell the smoke, I was absolutely hooked from day one.
My old man is no longer with us, and when he was we didn't always see eye to eye, but one
Thing we always had in common was CCFC, if they went to the wall that would be it, an AFC
Would have no connection to the past for me and TBH would give me a way out.
Supporting this club has become all consuming and exhausting for all the wrong reasons, not
To mention depressing.
I think from reading these forums (which I do sporadically, as much because of what I’m about to say as anything else) I get the sense that a large portion of Coventry City fans are essentially going through the process of bereavement / grieving. I remember seeing a lot of anger (and you still can see it in places), and there’s definitely a sense of depression from a lot of people. Eventually you’ll come out the other side at acceptance, and then move on with your life. Maybe that means that at that stage CCFC no longer plays a role in your life (it largely doesn’t for me any more), or maybe instead you’ll be able to look at the situation with a kind of calm detachment.
For the younger generation of fans I think it’s essential that those bringing them to matches, their parents, old time friends of family or whatever, need to have completed their grieving for the club. So long as we are left in a purgatorial state with the club’s future relentlessly undecided, whilst constantly in peril, that process of grieving will be very hard to complete for most fans. Maybe you’ll decide that once the story resolves itself you won’t want anything to do with the club — whether that be in some new form, or the club itself continuing, albeit in the form of a shadow of its past self. But I hope that whatever you do, you’ll help the new generation make their own decision to support a club in Coventry, free from the angst and cynicism we’ve all had to put up with for the past 15 years.
Your memories Bry are similar to mine, of going to the game with my old man, who like yours is sadly no longer with us.
If the club went down the pan, and a phoenix club evolved it would be sad to lose fans like you. If it ever happened I could always buy you a ticket and you come along to see what you thought. It would be worth a try?
Part of me also wonders (in a slightly pompous way) when we have to stop thinking of ourselves, and move aside for a younger generation (I ain't that old mind!). We've had our club in the top flight, seen the games... now it's a dirge and many of us are here out of habit, as much as anything. A fresh start gives something exciting and positive to enthuse those who've not yet had the chance to be enthused. Ever decreasing circles for another decade... doesn't.
It is quite apt that we're playing AFC Wimbledon this week. I see it as a potential solution to what we may have to do. Build the club back up again if no one buys us.I’d like to know why this is the case? I understand that the club’s debts are considerable, but assuming the club were to be declared bankrupt, anyone taking on the debt would have to be considered to both pass the fit and proper ownership test, and reflect the best option for compensating the club’s debtors. With the club having effectively zero assets, the former is likely to be a low priority for almost any business-minded group or individual with any mind to making a bid (hell, that is why we’re in this situation anyway). So, in my mind the steps towards fan ownership are (and I’m kind of spitballing so these aren’t necessarily water-tight):
At this point I think hoping for somebody to ride in on a unicorn and rescue us (Eddie Jordan, mystery investors in the US etc.) is the height of delusion — with no assets this club represents a terrible investment, one that isn’t likely to ever be profitable through the traditional route of speculative transfer acquisitions and promotions. The only people who really care about Coventry City’s fate right now are the fans, and so it seems like putting our fate in the hands of fans is perhaps our best option.
- Determine the likely scale of the unforgiven debt that would be need to repaid
- Organise some sort of pledge-based share offering with fans, to raise capital based for the former
- Structure an appropriate management team to run the new business (I assume the majority of existing staff can retain their positions, redundancies notwithstanding)
- Make a strong case to the FA and Football League to encourage them to accept a fan-run bid for the golden share based on the disastrous failures of the previous owners of the golden share
- (a little further down the line, assuming a successful bid) Make plans for a longterm home within Coventry
Let’s assume that this season will end in administration and relegation (both seem very possible). Just how far down the pyramid do we have to slide before a longterm solution is put into place? If the ultimately result is the club ceasing to exist and a new Coventry club being entered at the foot of the pyramid a la AFC Wimbledon, then anything that gets us into a better starting footing is worth investigation. Maybe we should be talking to the people who run clubs that have gone through this process to learn from their lessons, and see what we need to do next?
You had to go and mention the fucking Council didn't ya.Are you here to council and patronise?
You say yourself you have given up, but are banging on about a new club?
Are you here to council and patronise?
You say yourself you have given up, but are banging on about a new club?
In some ways, we the Cov fans should love the fact that the club would be owned , governed and accounted for by the fans, for fans, for the club. No business in the back ground trying to make a quick buck.
Remember we could own 51% of the club with a major backer owning the other 49%. It would be great.
I’m sorry if that came across as patronising, but you do sound very angry a lot of the time, Nick. Maybe it’s nothing to do with CCFC, but it’s hard not to see that as a factor in it. But in any case, I wasn’t specifically talking about you — thousands of Coventry City fans are going through the same thing and it’s not a happy time. We can all admit that, can’t we?
Anyway, I didn’t say I’ve given up, just that CCFC largely doesn’t play a role in my life. I still care about there being a club that carries the torch of my childhood memories of Highfield Road, whether that be CCFC or some other spiritual successor.
I’d love to see some form of the 50+1 rule in English football; even if it wasn’t widespread, having this model at a new CCFC club would ensure that at least if the club was badly run, it’d be up to the club’s members to sort it out.
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