You're the first to suggest that.
Growth and success would be organic and, as a result, lasting.
And also it is a pretty reasonable assumption to make.You're doing exactly the same, you're slipping into an entrenched position of what the club is to *you*.
Interestingly however... nobody has yet bothered to counter in any detail my assertion that the club as it stands is inevitably doomed.
If we had made the play offs last season got promoted and were in the bottom 6 but out the bottom 3 of the championship having just beaten Aston Villa would you have made this op?
Surely the point of a phoenix club is that it retains the fanbase, or at least a good chunk of it. Seems the clubs who have reformed with a decent level of success have managed that.You're the first to suggest that.
I don't buy that Grendel, if all supporters were only interested in winning we wouldNeither are guaranteed. Football fans are a fickle bunch. All they care about is winning and all have unrealistic expectations.
If we had made the play offs last season got promoted and were in the bottom 6 but out the bottom 3 of the championship having just beaten Aston Villa would you have made this op?
Well yep, get that.I would support a true Phoenix club if it came to it, whether I would get a ST or just pick and choose games I couldn't say. I certainly wouldn't support a cov united 'phoenix' as been mooted on here once or twice. That would be me gone.
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Something is going on, I can feel it in my water.Bloody Hell!!! Is it coincidence? I say to Nick give RFC a wave from me and Lo and behold, he turns up on here after months of nothing from him.. Hmmmmm!
Something is going on, I can feel it in my water.
Why? Tell me why not beyond an emotional response, based on supporting the football club?
AlrightySome of the fans on here I find difficult to believe in what they say. The idea that we fold in some way and start again is pure fantasy. We are a league 1 club with a solid manager at the helm and not a bad budget for this league. So every reason to believe we can be promoted. I still believe as all fans should we will make it a party this season. Wigan came late after their whole team were just about replaced from the season before to win the league. Looking close at what we have done so far in 9 games there has been some good stuff and some bad mainly on getting things to gel. I feel its just around the corner. Plenty of teams in this league look very poor. A few 3 pointers will seem like 4 points when you add them to the draws we already have.
Doom and gloom seems to be a past time for many so called supporters on here with the negative far outweighing the positive. Forget SISU, the rumour filled nonsense and look forward to the next game and a turning point in our season.
every reason to believe we can be promoted. I still believe as all fans should we will make it a party this season. Wigan came late after their whole team were just about replaced from the season before to win the league. Looking close at what we have done so far in 9 games there has been some good stuff and some bad mainly on getting things to gel. I feel its just around the corner.
So let me get this right. You are basically saying the squad is not fit for purpose, no promotion chance and likely relegation. The manager and owners can't be arsed and therefore I should stop dreaming and get high on caffeine? Well lets all go slit our wrist now all the facts are out.Wow - talk about delusional. Our squad is very poor. There is zero chance of promotion and a very real chance of relegation. we have a manager who appears to have thrown in the towel and an owner that couldn't give a damn about anything other than court cases. Wake up and smell the coffee...
I think Leicester carry Foxes in their proper name since their admin, might be wrong but thought I read it at the timeAnd also it is a pretty reasonable assumption to make.
If AFC Wimbledon fans very much see themselves as Wimbledon then why would it be any different for us?
AFC Wimbledon ARE Wimbledon, but Coventry City AFC are not Coventry City?
Don't understand the thought processing around that.
Each and every to their own though.
Would still very much be Coventry City to me and thousands of others I'm sure.
So let me get this right. You are basically saying the squad is not fit for purpose, no promotion chance and likely relegation. The manager and owners can't be arsed and therefore I should stop dreaming and get high on caffeine? Well lets all go slit our wrist now all the facts are out.
Yes, because fans haven't over and over again said the academy is the lifeblood either have they?
If the club starts up as AFC Coventry than I'd be done with football, everybody will be saying "Yeah I will be 100% behind it" until they realise they are playing Chasetown Away on a Tuesday night.
I also don't see the logic in when people are saying they want to kill the club off rather than rot away in leagues 1 or 2 that has been said, the ambition of a new team would be to reach the football league.
Everybody is saying they want an upward curve and success etc, doesn't everybody? Surely jumping off to go and support a different team who will win games week in week out in non league is not far off jumping off to go and support Leicester?
No, ha ha, you just read it wrong it actually said c**t'sI think Leicester carry Foxes in their proper name since their admin, might be wrong but thought I read it at the time
We would likely take a 2 (maybe 3 at most) division drop in the event of liquidation and reformation. Wouldn't really be a different club, it would carry forward the history like Chester, Halifax and many others.
There is no way we would be dropped straight into the conference if we were liquidated.We would likely take a 2 (maybe 3 at most) division drop in the event of liquidation and reformation. Wouldn't really be a different club, it would carry forward the history like Chester, Halifax and many others.
There is no way we would be dropped straight into the conference if we were liquidated.
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Thats what will happen anyway if we're liquidated. Looking at the likes of Darlington, chester, Halifax, afc wimbledon etc we would likely have to start again in 8-9th tier. We're not a special case like rangers who are hugely important to the SFA, we're not different to any other league one or two side. Depressing but true.yeah, If we were dropped into the Conference and out of the football league, we'd lose the "Golden Share" Wouldn't we?
Tier 9, that is what happened to Hereford & Wimbledon.We would likely take a 2 (maybe 3 at most) division drop in the event of liquidation and reformation. Wouldn't really be a different club, it would carry forward the history like Chester, Halifax and many others.
Thats what will happen anyway if we're liquidated. Looking at the likes of Darlington, chester, Halifax, afc wimbledon etc we would likely have to start again in 8-9th tier. We're not a special case like rangers who are hugely important to the SFA, we're not different to any other league one or two side. Depressing but true.
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No you can start a team at that level subject to FA approval, there are always teams folding that far down.But wouldn't 'Liquidation', by definition, see see the breaking up of the club and the disposal of it's assets?
If 'Liquidation' happens someone might purchase the name CCFC, someone else a left back, someone else the first team kit.
Unless someone bought the 'rump' of the business I think we'd have to start again from scratch, not even in the 8 or 9th tier.
No you can start a team at that level subject to FA approval, there are always teams folding that far down. There is a good chance the FA would look favourably on Coventry if they had no other professional club.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereford_F.C.#2015.E2.80.9316_season Hereford FC, Hereford United phoenix club started in tier 9
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Wimbledon#Non-League_football_.282002.E2.80.932011.29 Wimbledon AFC started in tier 8
Would it only be 3 at most?
If it was still Coventry City then the league wouldn't matter too much, not ideal obviously.
Exactly, minimum 4K crowds, probably higher. Might have to be at the RicohFrom supporters direct site (mostly paragraph 3 & 4 relevant).....
Reformed clubs vs New clubs
A critical issue to decide if you’re setting up a new club is whether the FA will consider your club to be a reformed club or a brand new one. If the latter, you’ll be placed at the lowest level of the senior pyramid where your club can safely be placed. That should be the bottom rung (Step 5 to Step 7) but with a lot of new clubs formed by trusts out of the ashes of their old club, their gates (and away following especially) are much greater than the level is traditionally used too. As a result, if the likelihood of placing a club in certain league is that fans and players safety will be jeopardised because the club they will play just are not capable of handling that size of crowd, then the club can be placed higher up the pyramid, at a suitable position.
Reformed clubs are judged to be essentially the continuation of a club in a new form – the club is dead, long live the club, so to speak! There is nothing set in stone as to what governs whether the FA view a club as a reformation, but several factors will be crucial. How long was it between the old club folding and the other club starting? Does the new club plan to play in the same community? Does it see itself as taking the same fanbase with it?
If the FA decides that a club is a reformation, then it must start at least two divisions lower than where the old club was at liquidation. The exact league will be a mixture of where places are available, where the club can safely be accommodated in terms of its likely supporter base and also whether there is a view that the reformation is the result of a club being liquidated deliberately to avoid or escape debts, or whether creditors have brought the action against a club.
With both of these, there are no hard and fast rules in place, so nothing should ever be assumed. The process of placing a club at any place in the senior pyramid is a function of the background as to why the trust has formed a club, the places available in the league covering that part of the country and the safety issues. For example, AFC Wimbledon started life in the Combined Counties Premier Division, but FC United and Scarborough Athletic started one level down from that in the North West Counties and Northern Counties East League second tiers respectively. Contrast that with AFC Telford; because they were viewed as a reformed successor to Telford United, they were placed in the Unibond first division, two divisions below where Telford were when they went into liquidation.
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So, essentially, we'd likely only take a 2 step drop as a true reformation. No way you'd want even a percentage of our fan base turning up much lower than that either way.
Ground capacities are on wiki, Butts is c 3K and Boro round 4KThat’s very interesting stuff Mark. From the sounds of things we’d almost certainly be a reformed club, so as Captain Dart says it would depend on our crowd size. I never realised that this was the reason for placing the club in a certain level of the pyramid — not simply ‘stature’ but the implicit size of the fanbase, and so as a safety consideration putting them in a league where most grounds can accommodate their away following.
What’s the capacity of the Butts currently? And what could it potentially be upgraded to?
Sorry but this is nonsense. There is no way the FA would place us 2 levels lower in the conference premier. Not gonna happen. There is probably a bit more flexibility for those already in non league on liquidation, as there's less places to fall.From supporters direct site (mostly paragraph 3 & 4 relevant).....
Reformed clubs vs New clubs
A critical issue to decide if you’re setting up a new club is whether the FA will consider your club to be a reformed club or a brand new one. If the latter, you’ll be placed at the lowest level of the senior pyramid where your club can safely be placed. That should be the bottom rung (Step 5 to Step 7) but with a lot of new clubs formed by trusts out of the ashes of their old club, their gates (and away following especially) are much greater than the level is traditionally used too. As a result, if the likelihood of placing a club in certain league is that fans and players safety will be jeopardised because the club they will play just are not capable of handling that size of crowd, then the club can be placed higher up the pyramid, at a suitable position.
Reformed clubs are judged to be essentially the continuation of a club in a new form – the club is dead, long live the club, so to speak! There is nothing set in stone as to what governs whether the FA view a club as a reformation, but several factors will be crucial. How long was it between the old club folding and the other club starting? Does the new club plan to play in the same community? Does it see itself as taking the same fanbase with it?
If the FA decides that a club is a reformation, then it must start at least two divisions lower than where the old club was at liquidation. The exact league will be a mixture of where places are available, where the club can safely be accommodated in terms of its likely supporter base and also whether there is a view that the reformation is the result of a club being liquidated deliberately to avoid or escape debts, or whether creditors have brought the action against a club.
With both of these, there are no hard and fast rules in place, so nothing should ever be assumed. The process of placing a club at any place in the senior pyramid is a function of the background as to why the trust has formed a club, the places available in the league covering that part of the country and the safety issues. For example, AFC Wimbledon started life in the Combined Counties Premier Division, but FC United and Scarborough Athletic started one level down from that in the North West Counties and Northern Counties East League second tiers respectively. Contrast that with AFC Telford; because they were viewed as a reformed successor to Telford United, they were placed in the Unibond first division, two divisions below where Telford were when they went into liquidation.
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So, essentially, we'd likely only take a 2 step drop as a true reformation. No way you'd want even a percentage of our fan base turning up much lower than that either way.
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