Acl back on cwr again (4 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Have a look three posts above yours. There's your reason. What do you expect the directors to do?

What are you saying now, huh?

I am saying that in my view ACL would have known that with the CVA hanging over its head they would not have a meeting to discuss next seasons fixtures and where they would play.

I'm saying that in my view there was no need to announce this on the radio and in my view that PWKH did it to play to the gallery and portray themselves as the good guys.

That's my view and I don't care what anyone thinks.

 

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[Godiva]

Godiva, it's the only string they have got, if they give that away before any talks then they are naive. SISU aren't going to agree to anything unless they make money out of it. I'm with PWKH & ACL all the way on this one, the hold the only chance we have of getting rid of SISU and even that is a long shot.

I agree, that's (one of the) last string(s) ACL have left. They have played it nicely hoping to hold that card when the talks begin. It's their right and duty to maximize the outcome for the company (ACL) and their shareholders.
Sisu said no. It's their right and duty to maximize the outcome for their companies (our club!) and their shareholders.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

What ever you say by not agreeing to mediation and not being open about your true intentions SISU have painted themselves into a corner. If they do not wish a criminal investigation into what has transpired at the club by avoiding the CVA issue then you need to be at the meeting. You can not influence anything by not being their, this is going to run and run but the snowball is getting bigger and bigger which means the consequence's when it gets to the end will be much greater for all party's. Sadly we the supporters and OUR club are the ones loosing out continually

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I am saying that in my view ACL would have known that with the CVA hanging over its head they would not have a meeting to discuss next seasons fixtures and where they would play.

I'm saying that in my view there was no need to announce this on the radio and in my view that PWKH did it to play to the gallery and portray themselves as the good guys.

That's my view and I don't care what anyone thinks.

When they're hamstrung from talking due to the judicial review and rightly concerned about being found in contempt; they're criticised. When they speak about something they're able - and bearing in mind this is after some pertinent and recent discussions with the FL, held in restrained confidence - it's posturing? Hell's teeth man. What do you want?

It can't be a successful outcome, as the party you hold aloft are refusing to talk without pre-condition, yet all you can do it to criticise the colour of the shoes of ACL's receptionist

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Someone just told me that Vince Cable (Secretary for Business) in commons,answering question from Jim Cunningham has agreed to investigate current situation at CCFC

Lets hope he decides he wants to do to them what he wanted to do to Murdoch! Always liked Cable; the only decent Lib Dem.

 

[Grendel]

Wow, totally missed that one...how much did they pay? I didn't know that it was even "for sale"

It seems everyone missed it. If ACL do not sign the CVA then ltd is liquidated and still CCFC are retained under holdings as the share has been agreed in principal to be transferred.

Given that ACL must consider its shareholders (as we are always told) I cannot see any conclusion that means they will not agree to it.

 

[torchomatic]

My wife says that a lot. I tend to go along with it.

That's my view and I don't care what anyone thinks.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

It seems everyone missed it. If ACL do not sign the CVA then ltd is liquidated and still CCFC are retained under holdings as the share has been agreed in principal to be transferred.

Given that ACL must consider its shareholders (as we are always told) I cannot see any conclusion that means they will not agree to it.

I cannot see any conclusion that means they will agree to it.

 

[torchomatic]

Yes, I like him too. I get the impression that he is always just a heartbeat away from telling the tories to "fuck off".

Lets hope he decides he wants to do to them what he wanted to do to Murdoch! Always liked Cable; the only decent Lib Dem.

 

[SkyBlueBlood]

It's just plain mental

On the one hand SISU are telling the FL , that they have to do a massive thing of moving a club 35 miles away. They say they have to do this as ACL refuse to speak them.

The FL say they have to reluctantly agree and do it with a saddened heart.

Then ACL say we will talk, can we do it through you FL?

FL say great and contact SISU with the great news.

SISU say give us time to think about it. ( alarm bells should start to ring for FL)

Think about what just come and negotiate see if you can get a better deal than you have at Northampton whilst building your stadium.
What do you have to lose it is not compulsory by coming that you have to sign a deal.

You should be chuffed you told us ACL won't speak to you so you are having to do something you don't want to do?

Next SISU say let's negotiate about meeting to negotiate.
Surely at this stage the FL have absolutely no choice but to say to SISU.

Sorry you told us ACL won't talk hence we ok'ed the ground move.

You either talk or we now veto it on the grounds that circumstances have changed.

Your post is spot on, but sadly I doubt if the FL have the balls to retract their stupid decision even though SISU have shown their cards as a road to destruction with zero intention to come back to Coventry.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Yes, I like him too. I get the impression that he is always just a heartbeat away from telling the tories to "fuck off".

Nah, with his accent and background I think it would be "Just piss off, Dave".

 

[dongonzalos]

CVA rejected means Appleton will have the golden share and control of the club through it. Club is still in administration and the offer to play at the Ricoh for free would stand and Appleton would probably accept this until agreement could be reached.

Unfortunately that is what Mr Appleton should do.
However I have a feeling that will not be the case

 

[Grendel]

When they're hamstrung from talking due to the judicial review and rightly concerned about being found in contempt; they're criticised. When they speak about something they're able - and bearing in mind this is after some pertinent and recent discussions with the FL, held in restrained confidence - it's posturing? Hell's teeth man. What do you want?

It can't be a successful outcome, as the party you hold aloft are refusing to talk without pre-condition, yet all you can do it to criticise the colour of the shoes of ACL's receptionist

That, for you, is a lame comeback. You know full well I so not hold sisu aloft at all. You would struggle to find any post from me which supports their strategy with the one exception of breaking the lease. The lease is the worst football arrangement a club has in the football league I challenge you to find a worst. Now, before you start blathering on about due dillegence, how to negotiate etc. I agree with you.

However, the real question is; would an organisation that many clearly do hold aloft, want an arrangement that for it's main customer is the worst in the country by a considerable margin? Equally significantly why did it take a strike to even consider renegotiation of the price.

The real enemy has been around a long time before the idiots now wrecking the club. In my opinion the enemy is within.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Over a period of time, it has become obvious that it's not about the Football team, but how long SISU can keep hold of the Club. For what reason, you'll have to make up your own mind. Some suggestions have been...We(SISU) want to get CCFC back to the Premiership, whilst at the other end of the scale, CCFC are being used as a "Dumping ground for debts" from other failed business dealings, and when having milked CCFC for all it's worth, it will be liquidated therefore burying all debts with it. Which one do I think?......ooohhh I couldn't really say....Allegedly

 

[RPHunt]

Someone just told me that Vince Cable (Secretary for Business) in commons,answering question from Jim Cunningham has agreed to investigate current situation at CCFC

I have posted the two questions asked and answered this morning on a new thread. The answer that Vince Cable gave to Jim Cunningham promises to be a real game changer.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

However, the real question is; would an organisation that many clearly do hold aloft, want an arrangement that for it's main customer is the worst in the country by a considerable margin? Equally significantly why did it take a strike to even consider renegotiation of the price.

Again, you can't shake the belief that this is all about rent. It's not. Nor about F&B's.

With a candid, honest owner; intent on building the totality of the club, I would agree with you. But they're not. When will you see this?

They want the Ricoh to feather the nest of their exit strategy. The benefit never will go to the club, the players, the fans, or the folk of Coventry. It'll be routed via the Cayman Islands. That is the singular and only game in town for SISU, and anyone working for them

 

[true sky blue]

FL has agreed to host a meeting between ACL and sisu. Joy said no, sign the CVA and we will consider.

well done to her

 

[true sky blue]

Apparently football league wanted to broker a meeting with both sides. Sisu would only meet if the CVA is signed. ACL said that is a separate issue so no meeting.

hahaha when are you all going to realise the city council are screwing our club up. they had there chance and once again blew it.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

hahaha when are you all going to realise the city council are screwing our club up. they had there chance and once again blew it.

Nothing to do with SISU at all, is it? They're lovely people who only have the clubs best interests at heart, yeah?

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

If you were a company that was looking at renegotiating a lease would you seriously do that with a threat of a CVA hanging over them.

Given the money already paid out of Erscow I would assume the proposed amount is the remaining balance.

The club would be minus 15 points and still in an embargo. Yet ACL are supposed to be showing support by offering the ground no doubt at the £400,000 figure? So the club pays and ACL reject the CVA?

Come on, no business would agree to that. The offer is aost sisu-esque as was the shameless performance by PWKH this morning

ACL must thing the supporters are gullible idiots. Well..........

Read my earlier post please - re the fact that both parties would benefit by negotiating a deal to play at the Ricoh.

The gullible idiots are those that still swallow the "CCFC can't play in Coventry" line.

 

[dongonzalos]

Both sides have pre conditions, ACL want talks without a CVA signed, SISU don't. It's two sides of the same coin.

That's not a pre condition that's just asking for talks.
SISU have been claiming ACL won't talk to them. ACL have said ok let's talk.
SISU have said only if you do this first (pre condition)
That's the whole point of negotiations. You don't negotiate about whether you will negotiate of not.
You do it in the negotiation.
So the only pre condition has been set by SISU.

 

[Godiva]

That's not a pre condition that's just asking for talks.
SISU have been claiming ACL won't talk to them. ACL have said ok let's talk.
SISU have said only if you do this first (pre condition)
That's the whole point of negotiations. You don't negotiate about whether you will negotiate of not.
You do it in the negotiation.
So the only pre condition has been set by SISU.

What if JS had said: Fine, I'm on vacation, but I will be back for the creditors meeting. We can talk immediately after.

Would that be an acceptable reply?

 

[Grendel]

That's not a pre condition that's just asking for talks.
SISU have been claiming ACL won't talk to them. ACL have said ok let's talk.
SISU have said only if you do this first (pre condition)
That's the whole point of negotiations. You don't negotiate about whether you will negotiate of not.
You do it in the negotiation.
So the only pre condition has been set by SISU.

Sorry don that's just bollocks.

 

[Warwickhunt]

Sisu don't want it to be part of the negotiation. Without it ACL has nothing.

They can either say: Ok, we sign the CVA and show willingness to start a fresh, or they can refuse the CVA and say 'Goodbye and good riddance'.
If they don't sign, the club has definetely played the last game at the Ricoh.
If they sign, well then it's down to the rent for the next 3-4 years. If it's approximately the same overall cost as at sixfields I think we will play at the Ricoh. More expensive, we won't.

Dont matter what the rent is! if they cannot get the F&B then no deal! ACL have got the F&B well and truly fucked with Compass

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

What if JS had said: Fine, I'm on vacation, but I will be back for the creditors meeting. We can talk immediately after.

Would that be an acceptable reply?

Of course - it's not like there's any urgency is it

 

[Pete in Portugal]

What ever you say by not agreeing to mediation and not being open about your true intentions SISU have painted themselves into a corner. If they do not wish a criminal investigation into what has transpired at the club by avoiding the CVA issue then you need to be at the meeting. You can not influence anything by not being their, this is going to run and run but the snowball is getting bigger and bigger which means the consequence's when it gets to the end will be much greater for all party's. Sadly we the supporters and OUR club are the ones loosing out continually

Agree with that 100% Vick.

 

[Jack Griffin]

Dont matter what the rent is! if they cannot get the F&B then no deal! ACL have got the F&B well and truly fucked with Compass

That is errant nonsense old bean, the club have already been offered ACL's cut of matchday F&B, which is 77% thereof.. Compass only get 23%

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

That is errant nonsense old bean, the club have already been offered ACL's cut of matchday F&B, which is 77% thereof.. Compass only get 23%

And ACL offered to arrange a meeting with all parties in the Compass JV; to which Fisher - at the forum - admitted he hadn't participated; nor even bothered to call. His reason? 'It's not worth it'.

It's not about rent. It's not about F&B's. For goodness sake, those who still - in the face of all reason and actions - insist it is are quite beyond me

 

[dongonzalos]

Sorry don that's just bollocks.

Bollocks that has happened word for word.
Even you through your misguided stance have to be able to see that.

 

[dongonzalos]

What if JS had said: Fine, I'm on vacation, but I will be back for the creditors meeting. We can talk immediately after.

Would that be an acceptable reply?

It's better than
Telling the FL you have to do something exceptional that both you and the FL don't want to happen, because ACL will not talk to you. Something that will lead to protests, investigations and parliament getting involved.
Then when via the FL ACL say let's talk. Then you say to the FL let me think about it. Then you say I will talk if x, y and z happens first.

What the hell must the FL think at that point!

Yes I am available in 2 working days time is a much more acceptable response.

 

[olderskyblue]

Joy could have agreed to meet, and if any agreement was reached reference playing at the Ricoh, made signing the CVA a pre-requisite... job done. Nice and clean. If not, then at least she tried.... win/win

 

[James Smith]

Keep this up and they'll be giving you a pay rise! Today has seen some of the most partisan posting in this board's history in favour of the transparently crooked ****. You really should come clean.

You can't call someone crooked without proof. A judge did make some damning remarks about the woman who runs SISU (the lovely Joy) but you can't say someone is a crook without proof. I would suggest in strong terms that you alter your post.

 

[James Smith]

James you seemed ever so keen to highlight defemation laws yesterday - what do you think about this? To my knowledge sisu have never been convicted of a criminal offence and defemation of Godiva's character? What do you think James?

Thank you for highlighting that and yes you're correct on the point about saying anyone is crooked, that's a big no no if there is no evidence to back the claim up. The same is true of Money Laundering and other offences. However you can call Jeffrey Archer a Liar because he was convicted of Perjury in a court of law in 2001, and I take great pleasure in doing so. I think and this didn't come up during my degree (as the internet was still young and green) that for someone to be defamed on a website they would have to have 'outed themselves' by revealing their real name. For that reason you calling me and someone else a Council Troll in post 153 of this thread http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/31717-Cwr-tomorrow?p=454792&viewfull=1#post454792 didn't get acted on.

I am not a lawyer I did do and pass Media Law as a module on my degree.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What if JS had said: Fine, I'm on vacation, but I will be back for the creditors meeting. We can talk immediately after.

Would that be an acceptable reply?

Yeah, taking a private holiday is more important than sorting out your failing business(es).

 

[James Smith]

That is errant nonsense old bean, the club have already been offered ACL's cut of matchday F&B, which is 77% thereof.. Compass only get 23%

Don't forget the cross invoicing.