ACL grow up (1 Viewer)

Paxman II · May 18, 2013

ACL should be disbanded.
ACL is a company formed by the Council to operate the lease.

Why wasn't the lease offered to the football club?
A separate company could have been formed like ACL to manage all other operations and sub leases at the Ricoh such as hotels, conference facilities, casino's etc.

The stadium part should belong to the football club and all activity within it. A fair price for that lease could have been offered back in the day.
The football club were instrumental in getting the project started that the whole City benefits from including recent Olympic events.

The fault here lies with the council and always has. Normally a city supports it's football club naturally within it's community. How have this council ever done that exactly?

More fault lies with past owners as much as the dreadful SISU in so much as failing to recognise what was needed in the beginning. Just how did the directors of the day such as Elliott and Richardson and co expect the football club to be sustainable without having income other than match day tickets of the stadium?

We do need a new era and a new approach. First we need SISU gone as clearly there is no good faith left here between the parties. A deal could still be done to effectively see SISU agree to leave and I don't think that is rocket science.
What's stopping the right approach and course of action is the greed of all sides.

If I was Haskell I would have approached the council and got a deal in principal on a new lease as explained above and then approached SISU and offered them a way out and cut them a cheque for what £30, £40m ? What do you think would get it done?

That way Haskell has the football club, a stadium ownership and all it's income streams as explained above in the new lease and who knows an opportunity to have further agreements to develop land too.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 18, 2013

Paxman II said:
ACL should be disbanded.
ACL is a company formed by the Council to operate the lease.

Why wasn't the lease offered to the football club?
A separate company could have been formed like ACL to manage all other operations and sub leases at the Ricoh such as hotels, conference facilities, casino's etc.

The stadium part should belong to the football club and all activity within it. A fair price for that lease could have been offered back in the day.
The football club were instrumental in getting the project started that the whole City benefits from including recent Olympic events.

The fault here lies with the council and always has. Normally a city supports it's football club naturally within it's community. How have this council ever done that exactly?

More fault lies with past owners as much as the dreadful SISU in so much as failing to recognise what was needed in the beginning. Just how did the directors of the day such as Elliott and Richardson and co expect the football club to be sustainable without having income other than match day tickets of the stadium?

We do need a new era and a new approach. First we need SISU gone as clearly there is no good faith left here between the parties. A deal could still be done to effectively see SISU agree to leave and I don't think that is rocket science.
What's stopping the right approach and course of action is the greed of all sides.

If I was Haskell I would have approached the council and got a deal in principal on a new lease as explained above and then approached SISU and offered them a way out and cut them a cheque for what £30, £40m ? What do you think would get it done?

That way Haskell has the football club, a stadium ownership and all it's income streams as explained above in the new lease and who knows an opportunity to have further agreements to develop land too.[/QUOT

Do you think the massive debt they had then might have had soething to do with it?
Do you think the massive debt we have now would have been any lower than it is even if they ie Sisu had been given the Ricoh for free?
How much would it take to get rid of Sisu? I think we can tell' the death of CCFC

Blueandwhites · May 18, 2013

Skyblue - don't post often but I have to say, what a tool!

Paxman II · May 18, 2013

broken hearted:

When the stadium was planned we had little or no debt.
IF SISU or any owner had the stadium then yes absolutely the situation would have been different. Income streams would have made us sustainable.
SISU have a price and as I say it's not rocket science to arrive at a figure where they would gladly depart this situation.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 18, 2013

Paxman II said:
broken hearted:

When the stadium was planned we had little or no debt.
IF SISU or any owner had the stadium then yes absolutely the situation would have been different. Income streams would have made us sustainable.
SISU have a price and as I say it's not rocket science to arrive at a figure where they would gladly depart this situation.

Little or no debt???????
So what was the reason WE didnt build it again?

bigfatronssba · May 18, 2013

Can someone explain to me how Acl are responsible for ccfc's financial plight?

If you run a business, you, and you alone are responsible for it.

If ccfc were doing well would you be praising acl?

italiahorse · May 18, 2013

I think ACL have come to the conclusion that SISU's only plan was to get the stadium by forcing ACL into admin. SISU have not given up this option by challenging the financing in court. ACL now have gone hard line on SISU and their is no one to arbitrate this destructive downward spiral.

We're fckued

BurbageSkyBlues · May 18, 2013

skysblue said:
No ACL just need to share. greedy. why dont you see it we cannot compete without the revenue

Doubt that we could compete with it, either.

The issues are far bigger than that....

Higher than the relatively small amount from facilities and refreshments, etc.

Try to work out £69M divided by approx six years......that's the gap that Sisu are claiming the club has lost under their tenure....hardly even worth debating the rent, let alone the revenue from refreshments!

Mucca Mad Boys · May 18, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Tut tut such language

You do know that was ironic, right?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 18, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
You do know that was ironic, right?

Why is that?

Mucca Mad Boys · May 18, 2013

Stevec189 said:
So Grendal if you sell something you expect to get it back for nothing? Get into the real world.

But if CCFC were doing well, ACL would benefit more, short term sacrifice but it pays dividends in the future.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 18, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Why is that?

Just realised lol

blueflint · May 18, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
You could buy 2 Adam Barton's with that, ACL cocksucker

kids read this m8

SydneySkyBlue · May 18, 2013

Grendel, why in the blue f*ck would you advocate letting these parasites continue to run our club? This is a new low even for you.

Despite reports of several serious bids in the last few years AND one on the table as we speak, some on here are still going with the "SISU are the only game in town" idea. I can only assume that the OP is by Tim Fisher.

Mucca Mad Boys · May 18, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Why is that?

Valiant calls some people, including me, 'SISU cocksucker' or 'SISU rent boy', also telling people to drop dead, whilst using a combination of the 2 aforementioned insults, I put a wink implying it wasn't serious, because it wasn't.

Mucca Mad Boys · May 18, 2013

blueflint said:
kids read this m8

Hmmm, funny how no one appeared to say these kind of things when SBK or valiant go on their foul-mouthed tirades, yet when say it, ironically (which can't be said for Valiant nor SBK), people are condemning me, double standards.

Mucca Mad Boys · May 18, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Just realised lol

Oh, my post explaining was a waste of time then! :facepalm:

At least you know it wasn't serious, unlike valiant.

Noggin · May 18, 2013

covmark said:
It does still astound me why people seem to care more for a stadium management company than the football club. Bizarre

They don't, the vast vast majority of people whom you concider to be on ACL's side really couldn't care less about ACL, they just feel that they are in the right, that they have been as reasonable as is possible to be, we are all biased towards ccfc, we all wanted ccfc to own the stadium and get all the revenue but despite that bias those of us who are able to be fair, who are able to be reasonable see very clearly that SISU are the ones in the wrong, that doesn't mean that acl are perfect but compared to the actions of sisu they are an order of magnitude better.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 18, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Oh, my post explaining was a waste of time then! :facepalm:

At least you know it wasn't serious, unlike valiant.

I know!!!!!!!!!

Grendel · May 18, 2013

Noggin said:
They don't, the vast vast majority of people whom you concider to be on ACL's side really couldn't care less about ACL, they just feel that they are in the right, that they have been as reasonable as is possible to be, we are all biased towards ccfc, we all wanted ccfc to own the stadium and get all the revenue but despite that bias those of us who are able to be fair, who are able to be reasonable see very clearly that SISU are the ones in the wrong, that doesn't mean that acl are perfect but compared to the actions of sisu they are an order of magnitude better.

The very fact that you scribed this biased garbage yet claims no one cares about ACL shows you really are a lost cause.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · May 18, 2013

Grendel said:
The very fact that you scribed this biased garbage yet claims no one cares about ACL shows you really are a lost cause.

Black Kettle Pot springs to mind

Tonylinc · May 18, 2013

Grendel said:
The very fact that you scribed this biased garbage yet claims no one cares about ACL shows you really are a lost cause.

I think you will find that most people will agree with Noggin

DazzleTommyDazzle · May 18, 2013

Grendel said:
The very fact that you scribed this biased garbage yet claims no one cares about ACL shows you really are a lost cause.

Grendel telling others that they're a lost cause.

You just have to hope that it was meant to be ironic.

But you know that it wasn't.....

BurbageSkyBlues · May 18, 2013

That 'lost cause' comment is on a par with tonight's Eurovision Song Contest

Unbelievable!

letsallsingtogether · May 18, 2013

Don't believe that is correct by the time we came to build it we had sold Highfield Road for 3 million and had no money to build a new ground.
The council and the Higgins trust came to the rescue.
The Club gladly took the deal offered to them a brand new ground for 1 million a year.
Now it is getting old the roof leaks and seats are broken who pays for the repairs?
we let HR fall down and had to leave due to lack of investment..

Do you not realise SISU do not give a shit:blue:

They had the chance to buy the ground share from HT long ago but didn't WHY because they wanted it for free I say UM

Paxman II said:
broken hearted:

When the stadium was planned we had little or no debt.
IF SISU or any owner had the stadium then yes absolutely the situation would have been different. Income streams would have made us sustainable.
SISU have a price and as I say it's not rocket science to arrive at a figure where they would gladly depart this situation.

SkyBlueBlood · May 18, 2013

skysblue said:
For goodness sake just give the club access to the revenue they require to compete, end of problem. simples! SISU will not sell there is no new buyer lets move on.

Have you had your head buried in sand for 6 years?

James Smith · May 19, 2013

covmark said:
It does still astound me why people seem to care more for a stadium management company than the football club. Bizarre

I don't, however in my list it's CCFC then ACL, Higgs Charity, Ricoh, Council, Compass, DeVere, Tesco, M&S, Next, Boots, Pizza Hut, All the other shops in the Arena Retail Park, Anyone else I've missed, SISU.

James Smith · May 19, 2013

skysblue said:
No ACL just need to share. greedy. why dont you see it we cannot compete without the revenue

Is this a reference to FFP because the way TF and Sisu are going about things there won't be any revenue. Who says we'll be competing at all next season the way things are going at the moment. Can you buy a season ticket yet, or even tell me definitely which ground we will be playing at next season?

DaleM · May 19, 2013

skysblue said:
For goodness sake just give the club access to the revenue they require to compete, end of problem. simples! SISU will not sell there is no new buyer lets move on.

Do the maths FFS F&B revenue is not even 1% of the total debt. Wake the fuck up will you . We are all being took for fools with Timmys sound bites. Think for yourself and work the numbers out that are being bandied about. 69 million debt because of 1.2 million rent and missed revenue in 6 years doesn't add up . Timmy thinks we are all fools that will fall for the company line. And you are either a Sisu employee or a Wum.

bigfatronssba · May 19, 2013

Well if you side with sisu over this, enjoy the conference, coz that's where we will be by the time we get our glorious new stadium. Traitors.

The Penguin · May 19, 2013

skysblue said:
For goodness sake just give the club access to the revenue they require to compete, end of problem. simples! SISU will not sell there is no new buyer lets move on.

You're naive if you think this is about access to revenue.

Sky Blue Pete · May 19, 2013

Paxman II said:
ACL should be disbanded.
ACL is a company formed by the Council to operate the lease.

Why wasn't the lease offered to the football club?
A separate company could have been formed like ACL to manage all other operations and sub leases at the Ricoh such as hotels, conference facilities, casino's etc.

The stadium part should belong to the football club and all activity within it. A fair price for that lease could have been offered back in the day.
The football club were instrumental in getting the project started that the whole City benefits from including recent Olympic events.

The fault here lies with the council and always has. Normally a city supports it's football club naturally within it's community. How have this council ever done that exactly?

More fault lies with past owners as much as the dreadful SISU in so much as failing to recognise what was needed in the beginning. Just how did the directors of the day such as Elliott and Richardson and co expect the football club to be sustainable without having income other than match day tickets of the stadium?

We do need a new era and a new approach. First we need SISU gone as clearly there is no good faith left here between the parties. A deal could still be done to effectively see SISU agree to leave and I don't think that is rocket science.
What's stopping the right approach and course of action is the greed of all sides.

If I was Haskell I would have approached the council and got a deal in principal on a new lease as explained above and then approached SISU and offered them a way out and cut them a cheque for what £30, £40m ? What do you think would get it done?

That way Haskell has the football club, a stadium ownership and all it's income streams as explained above in the new lease and who knows an opportunity to have further agreements to develop land too.

Lot of sense in this

Sky Blue Pete · May 19, 2013

Noggin said:
They don't, the vast vast majority of people whom you concider to be on ACL's side really couldn't care less about ACL, they just feel that they are in the right, that they have been as reasonable as is possible to be, we are all biased towards ccfc, we all wanted ccfc to own the stadium and get all the revenue but despite that bias those of us who are able to be fair, who are able to be reasonable see very clearly that SISU are the ones in the wrong, that doesn't mean that acl are perfect but compared to the actions of sisu they are an order of magnitude better.

I think that's absolutely correct. No love for acl but I can't think anyone would side with Sisu over this whole issue

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