Adam Johnson (1 Viewer)

[oucho]

Saw he got released from prison today. It made me wonder how our fans would feel if tried to sign him up. As far as I know he hasn't had a life ban from the game so it is possible some club will consider signing him. Personally I'd be against given what he was jailed for, but it does pose some questions e.g. why can't he go back to his profession after serving his sentence, how is it different to the King case where he was broadly welcomed to Cov, etc.

Let's hope it doesn't happen .... Interested to hear others' thoughts on this?

 

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[Nick]

Read something yesterday that League 1 and 2 clubs had been contacted and they had all said they wouldn't be interested in him. Can't remember where it was now.

It would be like Ched Evans but worse.

 

[Covstu]

Ched Evans was cleared, AJ wasn't and did time so I think this takes the ethical model up a little. You could argue he has done his time but with all the shit that's happening at our club, we don't need anything as equally controversial to be here.
Someone will take him, it will be outrage and forgotten in 3 weeks time however

 

[MatthewWallis]

Not sure anyone will take him. Children look up to footballers that play for their club most of the time. Also, with what he went down for and couples will clubs doing so much community work and with schools it’s a PR recipe for disaster

 

[Liquid Gold]

I don't think it's a good look for a club to sign an unrepentant paedophile.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Read something yesterday that League 1 and 2 clubs had been contacted and they had all said they wouldn't be interested in him. Can't remember where it was now.

It would be like Ched Evans but worse.

Far far worse. He's a nonce and used his position for his own gratification. If he was in any other profession that had the potential contact with kids he'd be banned for life.

 

[oucho]

I think the difference between King and Johnson is the underage aspect of Johnson's crimes; perhaps there is "a line" in football where the usual business about players being able to return to the game after a criminal conviction shouldn't apply.

 

[Nick]

Far far worse. He's a nonce and used his position for his own gratification. If he was in any other profession that had the potential contact with kids he'd be banned for life.

Im not sure a league club would take him. Can see him going abroad for a mediocre club and trying to live "quietly".

 

[rob9872]

Im not sure a league club would take him. Can see him going abroad for a mediocre club and trying to live "quietly".

Vietnam or Cambodia?

 

[Gazolba]

I'd forgotten about him. He was a really good player. Always looked dangerous and looked like he would make something happen when he got the ball.
Lots of players have done things far worse and never been punished or are still playing.

 

[SBAndy]

Lots of players have done things far worse and never been punished or are still playing.

Are you fucking mad?

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Always looked dangerous.

Edited this down to the only relevant bit.

 

[peace ndlovu]

I'd forgotten about him. He was a really good player. Always looked dangerous and looked like he would make something happen when he got the ball.
Lots of players have done things far worse and never been punished or are still playing.

Read your post again, whilst imagining that it was your teenage daughter that he calculatedly groomed and abused.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I'd forgotten about him. He was a really good player. Always looked dangerous and looked like he would make something happen when he got the ball.
Lots of players have done things far worse and never been punished or are still playing.

Which players have done far worse? He's a fucking paedophile.

 

[block16]

seize Gazolba’s hard drive

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Interesting question that is in danger of being hikaxked by the hes evil and we are all perfect brigade.

Some facts

He was released from prison but is on license. So he is in effect serving the rest of his sentence outside of prison.
This means there are conditions such as he can’t see his 4 year old daughter without a supervising adult.
Also he will have limitations on the work he can do if he is in a position of trust or working where children are.
Due to the length of his sentence he will be on the sex offenders register for life

We need a grown up debate about risk management and we need the truth about privatising of probation and how manipulated and fucked up a system is where you punish a 4 year old child for the huge mistakes of her father.

I’m not sure how anyone can claim he’s an unrepentant paedophlle either he pleaded guilty to some offences and was found guilty of others. I don’t know if he ian unrepentant or not I’m just saying you don’t know

So we come onto the main issue for me which is as a society what are we to do? Absolutely happy with license conditions to protect children and mitigate risk but totally unhappy if no one can question conditions that seem to just be about punishment rather than risk mitigation.

He’ll never play football in this country again and that’s probably right what I think isn’t right is punishing his daughter and making it impossible for him to make a new life

Society may as well own up to its prejudice and probably fear and make a decision on what’s its willing to pay for?

Punishment and vengeance or punishment and rehabilitation wth an expectation that once time has been served you can’t expect someone to live without the possibility of employment, friends or a support structure

Very few people are all evil or all good. Most of us are capable of greatness and depravity and until we grow up and accept that reality we will get nowhere

 

[CanadianCCFC]

Interesting question that is in danger of being hikaxked by the hes evil and we are all perfect brigade.

Some facts

He was released from prison but is on license. So he is in effect serving the rest of his sentence outside of prison.
This means there are conditions such as he can’t see his 4 year old daughter without a supervising adult.
Also he will have limitations on the work he can do if he is in a position of trust or working where children are.
Due to the length of his sentence he will be on the sex offenders register for life

We need a grown up debate about risk management and we need the truth about privatising of probation and how manipulated and fucked up a system is where you punish a 4 year old child for the huge mistakes of her father.

I’m not sure how anyone can claim he’s an unrepentant paedophlle either he pleaded guilty to some offences and was found guilty of others. I don’t know if he ian unrepentant or not I’m just saying you don’t know

So we come onto the main issue for me which is as a society what are we to do? Absolutely happy with license conditions to protect children and mitigate risk but totally unhappy if no one can question conditions that seem to just be about punishment rather than risk mitigation.

He’ll never play football in this country again and that’s probably right what I think isn’t right is punishing his daughter and making it impossible for him to make a new life

Society may as well own up to its prejudice and probably fear and make a decision on what’s its willing to pay for?

Punishment and vengeance or punishment and rehabilitation wth an expectation that once time has been served you can’t expect someone to live without the possibility of employment, friends or a support structure

Very few people are all evil or all good. Most of us are capable of greatness and depravity and until we grow up and accept that reality we will get nowhere

He can still see his daughter.
He could still probably get another job if he wanted although not playing football and rightly so; what kind of message would that send?
He also only served half his sentence.

 

[Grendel]

Interesting question that is in danger of being hikaxked by the hes evil and we are all perfect brigade.

Some facts

He was released from prison but is on license. So he is in effect serving the rest of his sentence outside of prison.
This means there are conditions such as he can’t see his 4 year old daughter without a supervising adult.
Also he will have limitations on the work he can do if he is in a position of trust or working where children are.
Due to the length of his sentence he will be on the sex offenders register for life

We need a grown up debate about risk management and we need the truth about privatising of probation and how manipulated and fucked up a system is where you punish a 4 year old child for the huge mistakes of her father.

I’m not sure how anyone can claim he’s an unrepentant paedophlle either he pleaded guilty to some offences and was found guilty of others. I don’t know if he ian unrepentant or not I’m just saying you don’t know

So we come onto the main issue for me which is as a society what are we to do? Absolutely happy with license conditions to protect children and mitigate risk but totally unhappy if no one can question conditions that seem to just be about punishment rather than risk mitigation.

He’ll never play football in this country again and that’s probably right what I think isn’t right is punishing his daughter and making it impossible for him to make a new life

Society may as well own up to its prejudice and probably fear and make a decision on what’s its willing to pay for?

Punishment and vengeance or punishment and rehabilitation wth an expectation that once time has been served you can’t expect someone to live without the possibility of employment, friends or a support structure

Very few people are all evil or all good. Most of us are capable of greatness and depravity and until we grow up and accept that reality we will get nowhere

Pass the bucket I’m feeling queasy

 

[Skybluefaz]

Interesting question that is in danger of being hikaxked by the hes evil and we are all perfect brigade.

Some facts

He was released from prison but is on license. So he is in effect serving the rest of his sentence outside of prison.
This means there are conditions such as he can’t see his 4 year old daughter without a supervising adult.
Also he will have limitations on the work he can do if he is in a position of trust or working where children are.
Due to the length of his sentence he will be on the sex offenders register for life

We need a grown up debate about risk management and we need the truth about privatising of probation and how manipulated and fucked up a system is where you punish a 4 year old child for the huge mistakes of her father.

I’m not sure how anyone can claim he’s an unrepentant paedophlle either he pleaded guilty to some offences and was found guilty of others. I don’t know if he ian unrepentant or not I’m just saying you don’t know

So we come onto the main issue for me which is as a society what are we to do? Absolutely happy with license conditions to protect children and mitigate risk but totally unhappy if no one can question conditions that seem to just be about punishment rather than risk mitigation.

He’ll never play football in this country again and that’s probably right what I think isn’t right is punishing his daughter and making it impossible for him to make a new life

Society may as well own up to its prejudice and probably fear and make a decision on what’s its willing to pay for?

Punishment and vengeance or punishment and rehabilitation wth an expectation that once time has been served you can’t expect someone to live without the possibility of employment, friends or a support structure

Very few people are all evil or all good. Most of us are capable of greatness and depravity and until we grow up and accept that reality we will get nowhere

Give it a rest. The question was how would the fans feel if we signed him? Not how do you feel about how his relationship with his daughter will be affected?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Are you fucking mad?

Lee Hughes

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He can still see his daughter.
He could still probably get another job if he wanted although not playing football and rightly so; what kind of message would that send?
He also only served half his sentence.

Should the aim of justice not be that ultimately we want people to end their sentences reformed and ready to re-enter society? His comments in prison show he is nowhere near that though and doesn’t see what he did wrong.

With that in mind he should get a minimum wage job and work his way up

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He can still see his daughter.
He could still probably get another job if he wanted although not playing football and rightly so; what kind of message would that send?
He also only served half his sentence.

The message that says once you’ve served your sentence you can remake your life if you work hard and don’t put others at risk. You have no idea do you?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Give it a rest. The question was how would the fans feel if we signed him? Not how do you feel about how his relationship with his daughter will be affected?

Ok I don’t think the fans would be happy at all but more importantly I don’t think he’d be able to work in this environment certainly whilst under license

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Should the aim of justice not be that ultimately we want people to end their sentences reformed and ready to re-enter society? His comments in prison show he is nowhere near that though and doesn’t see what he did wrong.

With that in mind he should get a minimum wage job and work his way up

Ah haven’t seen his comments sorry

What’s he said or been reported as saying?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ah haven’t seen his comments sorry

There’s been at least 2 videos of him talking about it with other prisoners

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There’s been at least 2 videos of him talking about it with other prisoners

Saying he wasn’t guilty of what he admitted or not guilty of what he was found guilty of or that it shouldn’t be a crime to groom a 15 year old?

Also he is not a paedophlle and it’s important people know the difference. It is a sexual attraction to pre pubescent children not 15 year olds and it’s important when it come to risk mitigation

I know it’s boring talking facts but it’s important

Also it’s not criminal to have attractions but to act on them

Pedophilia - Wikipedia

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Saying he wasn’t guilty of what he admitted or not guilty of what he was found guilty of or that it shouldn’t be a crime to groom a 15 year old?

Also he is not a paedophlle and it’s important people know the difference. It is a sexual attraction to pre pubescent children not 15 year olds and it’s important when it come to risk mitigation

I know it’s boring talking facts but it’s important

Also it’s not criminal to have attractions but to act on them

Pedophilia - Wikipedia

I’m aware of the semantic differences in terminology. He was making comments to the effect that it shouldn’t be a crime-search around and you’ll get the specifics.

Still seems lacking in remorse for me

 

[Grendel]

He also had a penchant for extreme porn including the involvement of animals. He’s s lovely lad though

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I’m aware of the semantic differences in terminology. He was making comments to the effect that it shouldn’t be a crime-search around and you’ll get the specifics.

Still seems lacking in remorse for me

Sure and I respect that opinion

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He also had a penchant for extreme porn including the involvement of animals. He’s s lovely lad though

Many do grendel and we could debate that but porn isn’t illegal. It does however have a huge criminal underbelly in terms of trafficking etc

 

[Grendel]

Many do grendel and we could debate that but porn isn’t illegal. It does however have a huge criminal underbelly in terms of trafficking etc

He was also prosecuted for that wasn’t he?

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Once he’s done his time he should have the chance to rebuild his life. However I don’t accept this notion that he can go back into playing football. Any footballer or other professional athlete should have an enhanced DBS check. If he became a professional footballer again it gives him plenty of opportunities to do what he did again. If he was a social worker, nurse, doctor or teacher he’d have to find a role in a different industry and that’s the same in this case. Whether that’s on the bins or digging holes at the side of the road it’s tough luck and it is what it is.

 

[The Great Eastern]

If Adam Johnson got rightly done for having sex with a minor aged 15, how did Bill Wyman get away scot free after having it away with Mandy Smith who was 13 when he started seeing her ?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If Adam Johnson got rightly done for having sex with a minor aged 15, how did Bill Wyman get away scot free after having it away with Mandy Smith who was 13 when he started seeing her ?

Different world wasn’t it

 

[Liquid Gold]

He's been filmed while in prison saying something along the lines of 'I wish I'd been fucking her for the sentence I got'.

Like I said, unrepentant paedophile.