Rich I admire your passion I really do but can someone get anything done? Is there anyone that can run with this? the trust? someone in the industry? There seems to be a wave of support for this but I fear it may be all rhetoric and no action.
I totally would, but not unless it is entirely a Phoenix Club and it can't be that whilst the mutant CCFC In Northampton still exists, which is why you'd have tiny crowds and a split fan-base. It'd be more akin to an FC Utd than a AFC Wimbledon. I'd tolerate dropping 3 or 4 divisions to have the club home and free of SISU's shackles and at the moment that a genuine re-launched CCFC comes into existence it is entirely the club that we support now, just as AFC Wimbledon are Wimbledon.
Doubt Brighton did either... but they stuck with it, came back, used the opening of their own ground as a vindication of the battles to get back, as a chance to capture a whole new fan base.
Doubt Charlton wanted to be away either but they fought for their club, fought against authority and made sure that pressure was put on those with the ability to bring the club back, until the club *was* brought back.
The focus of efforts was on bringing the club back however, not dividing it.
Rival clubs, while there's doubt... Enfield have probably paid off doing that, but I'm struggling for other examples. Enfield's level is also rather low too, it's at a low enough level to point out Wealdstone have been without a ground for years, but the fight carries on.
Newport County spent years away from Newport after a crazy owner ripped them apart. The club fell, the replacement couldn;t actually play in Wales, let alone Newport, if it wanted a place in the English pyramid. The fans however campaigned for its return, stuck with it... got its return, and got it back in the league too.
All different to us sure, and Newport even involved a new club, but the point was none of them gave up on their clubs because they played in the wrong place.
Instead, they fought for its return to its rightful place,
Stu serious question didnt know you didn't go to away games, how long will it be before you lose interest 1.2,5 years then what do you go to the new stadium if built and say all is forgiven
Did thet come back with the same owners though?
Its worth remembering that MK Dons still played under the name Wimbledon and in London whilst the fans were setting up AFC. They didn't wait for the club to leave. Wimbledon and AFC Wimbledon co-existed for a while.
Yeah, no problem with the level, no football snob me... actually prefer lower league grounds, perversely, they're more genuine.
Would even rather, probably, have had us die and be reborn once Robinson and co stuffed us up.
But... like it or not, it's my club, and however much I might hate how it shows itself as my club, and I can easily turn my back on it... I can't give myself up and go and watch another while it lives, on anything other than a casual basis.
If you want the shit analogy, if my wife was on life support I couldn't shag some hot 25yo as it just wouldn't feel right.
Come on now Norman, that's not the only reason you couldn't shag some hot 25yo is it...
But the permanent move had been rubber stamped and confirmed before AFC Wimbledon were set up.
Told you it was a shit analogy!
Its worth remembering that MK Dons still played under the name Wimbledon and in London whilst the fans were setting up AFC. They didn't wait for the club to leave. Wimbledon and AFC Wimbledon co-existed for a while.
As Sisu have said we will never play in Coventry again I don't see what the issue is in doing this really.
Rich I admire your passion I really do but can someone get anything done? Is there anyone that can run with this? the trust? someone in the industry? There seems to be a wave of support for this but I fear it may be all rhetoric and no action.
If the club is battling to return to the city then yes. We don't know what the future brings, and as of yet the future sees a verbal commitment from the club to return, while fighting to lay bare decisions it claims pushed it out of the city. At the moment, it's wise to see what happens there before jumping.
If it turns out that at the end of all this, the club has been pushed... and that's the result the courts decide on...then it'd be pretty silly to have set up a new club and, as supposed fans of our club, *we* had finished it off.
Split a fanbase, and you destroy the chances of either the current club, or a rival club, being successful as whatever our differences it needs you, me, OSB, bezzer, bigfatron, shmeeee, stupot... all of us, to turn up to give us the best hope of success.
So that's why it needs an unequivocal conclusion before any replacement club appears, because I want you sat in the same ground as me supporting Coventry City FC.
The club isn't battling to return.
SISU don't ever intend to return to the city of Coventry - they've made that clear.
What are we fighting for? We need SISU to leave if we want COVENTRY City to play in Coventry.
Come on people - we have to take control now. Enough is enough.
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The club isn't battling to return.
SISU don't ever intend to return to the city of Coventry - they've made that clear.
What are we fighting for? We need SISU to leave if we want COVENTRY City to play in Coventry.
Come on people - we have to take control now. Enough is enough.
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Sorry, how do you know the boycott isn't working. Was you expecting SISU to come back cap in hand declaring all is forgiven after half a season of poor attendances. There is a much longer game being played out and one in which SISU seem to master in, they are certainly not about to blink anytime soon.
The fact is that reduced attendances and considerable lower income streams WILL force SISU's hand... eventually. We as supporters have to be united and use every angle available to us to defeat SISU. Why oh why can some people just not see it?
Im all for it. The butts would be great.
I'm sorry, but it won't. SISU is likely to be made up of a number of millionaires. They've 'arguably' funded loses running into the millions for 5 years. SISU have shown to be pretty heartless....they won't care one jot whether there's 70 people at Sixfields or 7,000....they really won't care. I admire the persistence of many but I doubt Joy Seppalla or Tim Fisher are losing any sleep over attendances/merchandising/incoming revenues.
Anyway, the point of my post was to highlight the fact that talk of a Phoenix club is an un-necessary and un-fair kick in the teeth for SP and the squad.
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I don't agree the Trust should be spearheading this, it should be only when it is 100% confirmed that SISU won't be back and will be relocated permanently. It has crazy how some fans are so keen to drop CCFC and start something else.
What do you think we should do then?
The $64,000 question. I genuinely don't know the answers to our problems...ifI did, I'd be minted. Like I've said twice before, my own personal opinion is that SP and the squad don't deserve talk of a splinter club (although ironically, I think he'd understand)....
Although in theory I support the notion of a pheonix club....but unless sisu are here forever the next owners will undoubtedly bring the club home. So what then?
By the time Sisu leave ACL will have long moved on and the club will be playing outside of Coventry. If a new stadium has been built, why would new owners leave it?
But Fisher said that they've moved on from the Ricoh and there will be no new ground in Coventry. So what do you think we should do?
If a new stadium's built in a ridiculous place, that's when it's time to consider a phoenix club.
But how come Fisher's word is taken as gospel with the worst case scenario when it speaks of phoenix clubs... yet the rest of the time he's apparently lying, making it up, and it's all a dastardly plan to return to the Ricoh?
By the time Sisu leave ACL will have long moved on and the club will be playing outside of Coventry. If a new stadium has been built, why would new owners leave it?
To reunite the club with its city and lost fanbase?
You say ACL will have moved on but presumably the stadium will still be there?
But the stadium wont be built for years. Are we just expected to sit here wasting time rather than doing something practical?
Also with regards to Fisher, when someone has been caught lying as much as him, then he deserves to have his word judged as the worst case scenario.
Whos says it will still be a stadium? Could be a giant exhibition hall by then.
Today now means there is a chance (a very very small chance imo) that Sisu could win the JR. That could mean ACL having to pay back the £14m.
ACL have about a year before that could happen. Now if your a pro active business, and you get a warning like that, you would spend the next year trying to diversify and increase turnover to the point that paying the £14m back wont destabilise your business.
An empty playing bowl is not generating any cash for ACL, why will they maintain it? Much more sensible to start doing something with it now.
What new stadium, the one Fisher's lying about because it's all about getting the Ricoh?
Isn't this picking whether he tells the truth or not to suit the mood of the day?
How's an AFC Coventry starting in the 9th tier of the pyramid going to help stop it? It took AFC Wimbledon 10 years to achieve the 5 promotions to get in the football league. A lot more chance of ccfc coming back to the Ricoh before AFC Coventry reach a level they would need the Ricoh.
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