Agents Fees (2 Viewers)

Tommo72 · Apr 3, 2018

This makes interesting reading....Cov top the lot but look at Accrington....

Does this suggest Sisu are backing us a little more?

stevefloyd · Apr 3, 2018

Maybe means we are being ripped off more

fernandopartridge · Apr 3, 2018

stevefloyd said:
Maybe means we are being ripped off more

Or we've signed lots of players and have a high wage bill as agent fees are usually a percentage of transfer fee or wage

Adge · Apr 3, 2018

fernandopartridge said:
Or we've signed lots of players and have a high wage bill as agent fees are usually a percentage of transfer fee or wage

Well, top 8 one......

Warwickhunt · Apr 4, 2018

2 out of the top 3 have the lowest agent fees

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue · Apr 4, 2018

Can anyone shed any light on if agents can still take a cut of any future transfer fees their player moves for?
I know there’s rules against third party ownership but I’m fairly confident Wolves have got around this with Mendes as otherwise he wouldn’t have brought several high profile players he represents there.

I’m surprised our amount is as high as it is. Thought McNulty, McDonald and Andreu would of commanded 5-10k each in signing on fees but don’t know where the rest has come from

Warwickhunt · Apr 4, 2018

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
Can anyone shed any light on if agents can still take a cut of any future transfer fees their player moves for?
I know there’s rules against third party ownership but I’m fairly confident Wolves have got around this with Mendes as otherwise he wouldn’t have brought several high profile players he represents there.

I’m surprised our amount is as high as it is. Thought McNulty, McDonald and Andreu would of commanded 5-10k each in signing on fees but don’t know where the rest has come from

Use of Joys pen methinks

Nick · Apr 4, 2018

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
Can anyone shed any light on if agents can still take a cut of any future transfer fees their player moves for?
I know there’s rules against third party ownership but I’m fairly confident Wolves have got around this with Mendes as otherwise he wouldn’t have brought several high profile players he represents there.

I’m surprised our amount is as high as it is. Thought McNulty, McDonald and Andreu would of commanded 5-10k each in signing on fees but don’t know where the rest has come from

We paid for Davies and McDonald was well so not sure if their agent would have got some.

rob9872 · Apr 4, 2018

Perhaps slightly misleading as would include time in L1 too. Needs to be taken as a whole and include transfer fees as these are likely to be instead of fees paid to the clubs.

In fact a table of agents, transfer fees and direct salaries combined would be the real measure to see where we sit.

Hobo · Apr 4, 2018

Warwickhunt said:
2 out of the top 3 have the lowest agent fees

Perhaps they don't throw the baby out with the bath water and rebuild every 12 months.

rupert_bear · Apr 4, 2018

It isn’t just players in that cost agent fees we have had big sales the last couple of years with Maddison, Stevenson that kid to Man United agents are involved both ways nowadays

Nick · Apr 4, 2018

rupert_bear said:
It isn’t just players in that cost agent fees we have had big sales the last couple of years with Maddison, Stevenson that kid to Man United agents are involved both ways nowadays

Would the buying club not sort the fees?

Nick · Apr 4, 2018

rob9872 said:
Perhaps slightly misleading as would include time in L1 too. Needs to be taken as a whole and include transfer fees as these are likely to be instead of fees paid to the clubs.

In fact a table of agents, transfer fees and direct salaries combined would be the real measure to see where we sit.

Would be nice to have all of it together.

Here are the players in since 1st Feb 2017 up to January

Yakubu.....
Biamou - Fee
Doyle
Hyam
Davies - Fee
Grimmer
O'Brien
McNulty
McDonald - Fee
Andreu
Kelly
James Pearson....
Vincenti

Loans

Nazon
JMD
Barrett
JCH

rob9872 · Apr 4, 2018

Unbelievably dwarfed by the Premiership figures. I know it's a different world, but utterly ridiculous. The lowest spending were Huddersfield at £2.46m in agents fees, which is well over double our entire league combined.

Grendel · Apr 4, 2018

rupert_bear said:
It isn’t just players in that cost agent fees we have had big sales the last couple of years with Maddison, Stevenson that kid to Man United agents are involved both ways nowadays

No it’s buying clubs that pay fees

better days · Apr 4, 2018

rob9872 said:
Perhaps slightly misleading as would include time in L1 too. Needs to be taken as a whole and include transfer fees as these are likely to be instead of fees paid to the clubs.

In fact a table of agents, transfer fees and direct salaries combined would be the real measure to see where we sit.

You'd need more detail for true comparison
Agents fees are paid in instalments - sometimes using the same basis as the transfer fee
Most transfer fees even at Premier League level are paid in several tranches with the schedule set out in the transfer doc's
I'd guess that these figures include some partial agents' payments for the players signed in League 1

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 4, 2018

Parasites and bad for the game, players should pay agents if they want them but clubs should have to give them nothing

Liquid Gold · Apr 4, 2018

I've seen a few people trying to claim these fees are sisu taking money out of the club.

rupert_bear · Apr 4, 2018

Grendel said:
No it’s buying clubs that pay fees

Agents do work for selling clubs too

The Lurker · Apr 4, 2018

Grendel said:
No it’s buying clubs that pay fees

No it’s not. It happens both ways. They take a sellers fee too

oldskyblue58 · Apr 4, 2018

It could suggest that most clubs are prepared to pay less than CCFC. You wouldn't suggest that our player trading has been far superior to any other teams in the division. It also depends on how many players have been brought in by each club. The worry is that the figure is so much more than just about everyone else and yet we are still vulnerable to failure.

We were told that the budget was in the top 25% or so we were not told we were spending the most

Mansfield were touted as big spenders this season but still spent 28k less than us

Do agents receive a fee for contract renewals or for academy players stepping up to the first team squad? I would expect so. I don't think there are many players without agents including players in the older age groups of the academy?

The amounts paid to agents are I understand included as part of the costs calculation for the SCMP budget

The only backing, financially that SISU have done I would think is covering any shortfall in operational cashflow much as they have for the last couple of years. The crowds are supposed to cover the budget the manager is given....... it hasn't this year I believe, and certainly not in the previous two years when SISU had to stump up £500k each year.

Nick · Apr 4, 2018

Liquid Gold said:
I've seen a few people trying to claim these fees are sisu taking money out of the club.

As in people being serious or just sarcasm?

oldskyblue58 · Apr 4, 2018

I would think squad assembly and its costs including agents is pretty much down to Robins and his management team........ SISU would only get involved in signing off contracts and setting him a budget to work within.

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue · Apr 4, 2018

Nick said:
We paid for Davies and McDonald was well so not sure if their agent would have got some.

Good point. Didn't realise we did for Davies. Agents always find a way to trouser some cash - and no, not even I can blame SISU for that one

ceetee · Apr 4, 2018

I'd be surprised if we weren't paying a loan fee for JCH.
Do agents get commission on loan fees?

Winny the Bish · Apr 4, 2018

There could also be some cash tied up in there from CCFC paying an Agency to act as a scouting firm for them, and for an agent to act as an intermediary on their behalf in transfer negotiations. Agents don't just get cash from players moving clubs these days.

steve82 · Apr 4, 2018

Interesting to read last year “little village side” Forest green spent £174,000 trying to get to the football league.

Also last year we spent £237,000 from feb 2016-jan2017

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steve82 · Apr 4, 2018

Interesting to see Blackburn’s 764k spend, more than half the league together.
Wigan 500k too

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