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At least the new club could play there rent free to begin with
At least the new club could play there rent free to begin withIts a nice idea but think Ryton will struggle to meet the criteria. And if it does how much protection does it really give? Isn't it just that you get six months once the owner puts it up for sale to raise money and make a bid?
Knowing our luck we'll end up with fans owning the training ground just as SISU wind the club up.
Which bit from Liquid Gold's stuff was implemented and taken on board?
Look forward to the myth busting as well!
Genuine Question, could somebody from the media team not sign up to interact so you don't end up getting all of the shit?
Its a nice idea but think Ryton will struggle to meet the criteria. And if it does how much protection does it really give? Isn't it just that you get six months once the owner puts it up for sale to raise money and make a bid?
Knowing our luck we'll end up with fans owning the training ground just as SISU wind the club up.
I'll ask the question. The letters sent to each party and the potential meetings that will hopefully come from it. One meeting has already happened and if all the parties have anything about them there will be many more to come.
The pattern is always the same and ends up in the same way.
"meet and discuss"
"we are listening to what people say"
"we blame them all"
"sisu protest lads? wahey get on it"
This, but louderIn a vain attempt to put the phoenix club issue to bed now I think people are entitled to go and watch a club set up if we died and treat it the same as city, they'd be entitled to wear sky blue, sing the sky blue song, sing Jimmy Hill's sky blue army, it could be a continuation of most things Coventry City and some people can view it as the same. It categorically won't however be Coventry City.
I respect those who would support that team and it's their right to believe it's City. I however won't support that team because I am only a Coventry City fan and will never move to a new team unless under exceptional circumstances outlined earlier. That needs to be respected too.
There are undoubtedly some lunatics that want this to happen (not suggesting any of you lot) but the worst possible way they can go about it is by causing harm to the club we have now. It is right that the Trust have a last resort backup plan, talk of this should be shut down instantly though, we have a Coventry City and that is the priority.
The Trust are in a position of responsibility and everything *everything* they do should be to put pressure on a rental deal being done asap. Letters to parties should be open for all to read, they have lost a lot of respect so need to be seen to be doing the right thing not just doing it, they should be a force for uniting a divided fan base when actually they are a cause for division. Get the myth busting statement out now, get everyone on the same page, once were somewhere near parity then they should write the open letters to all parties from a united front of city fans. Demand meetings with all parties in the public on CWR and in the Telegraph. Demand the council don't wash their hands of the football club, remind them of their commitments and threaten them at the ballot box. Demand Sisu act as responsible owners, remind them their greatest chance of a return is a successful clubs and threaten them with direct action to their investors. Demand Wasps never make the club homeless, remind them they are new in the city and threaten them with protests and disruptions.
Just do something, be seen doing it and don't do the same things that have failed time and time again.
That's not really what his idea was though. I am not sure if it has been lost in translation along the way.
I'm happy to take another look and see what we can do differently compared to what we're doing now.
Especially not if you are keeping everything secret to certain parties while inviting others to public fans meetings.
As a director and Chairman of our football club shouldn't Tim Fisher be meeting with the fans regardless of the off field issues? We explored the prospect of releasing the minutes of the meetings but due to the legal action it's understandable if none of the 4 or 5 parties involved allow them to be published
Does that mean that now the council have been met in secret there is no pressure towards them? Judging by the article published missing out any wrongdoing they have done, the apologetic statement after meeting them and the lack of mention in that recent thing in terms of action it looks that way.
Obviously it's not you personally and I'm by no means saying it is, but in what way isn't it the below scenario that was suggested would happen weeks ago:
Understandable
Can you see / understand my point? The plans announced today look very much that way.
Again, shouldn't the media team also be liaising with fans?
Part of the media team is liaising on here.
In a vain attempt to put the phoenix club issue to bed now I think people are entitled to go and watch a club set up if we died and treat it the same as city, they'd be entitled to wear sky blue, sing the sky blue song, sing Jimmy Hill's sky blue army, it could be a continuation of most things Coventry City and some people can view it as the same. It categorically won't however be Coventry City.
I respect those who would support that team and it's their right to believe it's City. I however won't support that team because I am only a Coventry City fan and will never move to a new team unless under exceptional circumstances outlined earlier. That needs to be respected too.
There are undoubtedly some lunatics that want this to happen (not suggesting any of you lot) but the worst possible way they can go about it is by causing harm to the club we have now. It is right that the Trust have a last resort backup plan, talk of this should be shut down instantly though, we have a Coventry City and that is the priority.
The Trust are in a position of responsibility and everything *everything* they do should be to put pressure on a rental deal being done asap. Letters to parties should be open for all to read, they have lost a lot of respect so need to be seen to be doing the right thing not just doing it, they should be a force for uniting a divided fan base when actually they are a cause for division. Get the myth busting statement out now, get everyone on the same page, once were somewhere near parity then they should write the open letters to all parties from a united front of city fans. Demand meetings with all parties in the public on CWR and in the Telegraph. Demand the council don't wash their hands of the football club, remind them of their commitments and threaten them at the ballot box. Demand Sisu act as responsible owners, remind them their greatest chance of a return is a successful clubs and threaten them with direct action to their investors. Demand Wasps never make the club homeless, remind them they are new in the city and threaten them with protests and disruptions.
Just do something, be seen doing it and don't do the same things that have failed time and time again.
Needing help to set up a demo? Wtf are you planning??? It had better be happening after the game or have your little cry if you want, but if it affects the team on the pitch then expect a hostile reaction from me and a number of other regular away travellers.The article regarding the facts has been written by a well respected chartered accountant who is highly regarded by the fanbase and the local area. It dispels certain myths from every side of the argument and is an excellent piece. With regards to Luton if anyone that is going can help us on the day (it's nothing strenuous) with the set up for the demonstration please get in touch. It's probably going to be for 20-30 minutes once the turnstiles open. I must state that it's 100% about keeping our club at the Ricoh. The only side that will be mentioned will be the 11 lads on the pitch who it will actually help in the process.
Secret meetings with one of the parties then not reporting any of the details is almost exactly the opposite of what I suggested.
If you go to the council and they say we'll meet you given these conditions and not publishing this or that tell them no you will meet us on our terms, completely open. If the council refuse then you publish their response, start pressure on them to come to the table and then if they still don't then start some direct action to bring them to the fucking table. Same with every party involved.
If the trust was a united force working for all city fans then they could threaten all parties with 50,000 people working against them. That would scare the shit out of anybody. Instead they do the exact opposite and come across as a pressure group heavily influenced by a few lunatics.
Needing help to set up a demo? Wtf are you planning??? It had better be happening after the game or have your little cry if you want, but if it affects the team on the pitch then expect a hostile reaction from me and a number of other regular away travellers.
In fact what are you hoping to achieve? We'll look shitty to other fans as it's on tv and there will be many rightly saying why didn't they do this when things were going well, eg at Wembley. It will unsettle and create a hostile atmosphere, not to mention that it will be a splinter group not all out of not a huge following. They don't listen, they won't go and you're trying to antagonise them for no reason. They will sort the ground, I have faith it will still happen. This will go to the highest court before it finishes. The end game I am convinced will be soon after that. All parties are accountable in this mess, but it will be a demo only directed towards the owners. Support the team and enjoy doing so, that's our job as fans and let the other stuff take care of itself.
Isn't a confidential meeting where the fans question and put pressure on one of the parties better than no meeting at all? A series of meetings with fully documented, unaltered and disclosed minutes is the ideal outcome but sadly I don't think that will happen with any of the parties involved at present.
Again I agree 100%. The information put out regarding this will be very much "keep us in Coventry" or similar not pointing fingers etc. Hopefully I should be able to put more out tomorrow.
tbf I wouldn't expect details to be released while legal action was continuing.Secret meetings with one of the parties then not reporting any of the details is almost exactly the opposite of what I suggested.
tbf I wouldn't expect details to be released while legal action was continuing.
Also tbf, I'd expect the same terms of a meeting to be extended to the football club. That doesn't stop Fisher being invited to an open meeting separately, of course.
Why? The questions that need to be asked don’t relate to legal action.tbf I wouldn't expect details to be released while legal action was continuing.
Which fans have put questions to the council and what answers have been given?Isn't a confidential meeting where the fans question and put pressure on one of the parties better than no meeting at all? A series of meetings with fully documented, unaltered and disclosed minutes is the ideal outcome but sadly I don't think that will happen with any of the parties involved at present.
I did say that. Well... I said the club, but given they were inviting the chairman of the club to an open meeting, it seemed appropriate to continue that path.And if you do think confidentiality is reasonable surely the same apppies to SISU.
Why? The questions that need to be asked don’t relate to legal action.
For example the council need to be called out over their lies saying CCFC would be secure in any Ricoh sale.
Wasps need to be called out on why they are claiming they can’t hold talks yet the situation is no difference to last year when they did hold talks.
Why is confidentiality needed to discuss that?
And if you do think confidentiality is reasonable surely the same apppies to SISU.
Fair enough they can;t talk about legal action. The question being asked now though is how are they going to keep the club in Coventry. Are they going to pressure London Wasps to agreeing a deal and if not what alternatives are they going to offer the club. There should be nothing stopping them answering these questions. If they refuse to answer then they should be targeted, if they was their hands they should be targeted and it needs to happen now.tbf I wouldn't expect details to be released while legal action was continuing.
Also tbf, I'd expect the same terms of a meeting to be extended to the football club. That doesn't stop Fisher being invited to an open meeting separately, of course.
Before this meeting happened I predicted no SISU, lots of repeating the same actions, demos and protests and childish name calling. The only thing I asked for was to get a campaign going to support the team in the greatest number possible, Spread the word that we might only have a few games left, get the whole City up there and show the world how much we care.
Unsurprisingly everything I predicted has happened and not a single effort to try something new like actually supporting the team.
Beyond a joke now and yet when I said right at the start of this thread I'd rather shit in my hands and clap I was told that it wasn't constructive. Well as it transpires it would probably be more of a statement than anything actually suggested or achieved.
I understand however, to build relationships and to allow full and frank conversation, it may be necessary to have meetings that aren't minuted - they've done it in the past with Seppala etc.Fair enough they can;t talk about legal action. The question being asked now though is how are they going to keep the club in Coventry. Are they going to pressure London Wasps to agreeing a deal and if not what alternatives are they going to offer the club. There should be nothing stopping them answering these questions. If they refuse to answer then they should be targeted, if they was their hands they should be targeted and it needs to happen now.
I appreciate your point but from my perspective we're well past the time to be building relationships. The club is in serious danger of being forced out of business by a combination of the three parties and all should have as much pressure applied as necessary to get them to the table.I understand however, to build relationships and to allow full and frank conversation, it may be necessary to have meetings that aren't minuted - they've done it in the past with Seppala etc.
I don't have a problem with that. I do find it a shame they won't extend the same offer to the club and its paymasters. That being said, the statement does say that it isn't fixed in stone, so maybe feedback to extend the same offer to SISU and club will see it happen.
I appreciate your point but from my perspective we're well past the time to be building relationships. The club is in serious danger of being forced out of business by a combination of the three parties and all should have as much pressure applied as necessary to get them to the table.
Yup, and sometimes it's best to know your enemy, and the best way to get information is to give a little, rather than public grandstanding. In the past, the Trust have been able to do work to help get parties talking to stave off drastic action and, if they were able to do the same again, I'd consider that a win.I appreciate your point but from my perspective we're well past the time to be building relationships. The club is in serious danger of being forced out of business by a combination of the three parties and all should have as much pressure applied as necessary to get them to the table.
I said right at the start of this thread I'd rather shit in my hands and clap I was told that it wasn't constructive. Well as it transpires it would probably be more of a statement than anything actually suggested or achieved.
The smell keeps most people away, particularly after his shit clapping.Mental note: Don’t stand next to rob9872.
I'd be much more comfortable with it if the trust actually had people onside.Yup, and sometimes it's best to know your enemy, and the best way to get information is to give a little, rather than public grandstanding. In the past, the Trust have been able to do work to help get parties talking to stave off drastic action and, if they were able to do the same again, I'd consider that a win.
That does, however (and I labour this point so bow out now!) need them to talk to the other protagonists under the same terms!
I'd be much more comfortable with it if the trust actually had people onside.
A group from the Sky Blue Trust met today with senior Councillors and Officers from Coventry City Council.
Representatives of the City Council recognised the efforts of the Sky Blue Trust to engage with all relevant parties in connection with the impasse over Coventry City FC’s playing arrangements at the RICOH Arena.
The City Council is supportive of the Sky Blue Trust’s attempts to develop a viable and satisfactory solution with all parties.
The Trust recognises the limitations imposed upon the City Council by the ongoing litigation between Sky Blue Sports & Leisure Limited, Avro Master Fund Limited and Otium Entertainment Group Limited versus Coventry City Council.
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