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Ryton won't get permission for housing.
Ryton won't get permission for housing.
At a guess this is where the idea of building a whole new complex rather than just stadium has come from. Its a shame CCC and the club aren't on better terms, with the main sports centre closing down a joint development on a new facility as part of the stadium complex would be ideal. Would also incentivise CCC to ensure any new stadium location has good public transport links.
Just thinking aloud on a Sunday afternoon really but as there seems near universal agreement that we won't progress under sisu but that just saying 'sisu out' won't bring about change here are some thoughts on an outline idea as to how to bring about a change of ownership - certainly not a detailed action plan - and I'll live in hope of other people filling in the gaps and some reasoned debate!
1. Set up a Community Interest Company called something like 'Coventry City Interim' (CCI) whose aim would be to secure ownership of CCFC from sisu and transition to a new ownership model to benefit the community. 2. Tell sisu if they hand over CCFC debt free to CCI they will get a lump sum payment when we get promoted to the Championship and a further lump sum when we get promoted to the Premier League, the combined total far exceeding what they are able to take out of CCFC at the moment [rough figures are easy to work out but someone might want to work it out in more detail - might even be able to chuck in a small immediate sweetener].
3. If sisu refuse the offer, it is left on the table but a full scale sisu out campaign is launched (the sixfields campaign was a huge success, sisu's weak spots are well known so the tactics aren't rocket science - and they don't require pitch invasions)
4. sisu finally see sense and accept the offer so ownership of CCFC passes to the interim company.
5. The interim financing of the club would be down to fans ie with sisu gone nopm-ers would be under pressure to return and buy season tickets. A simple approach would be to have pledges and even deposits in place against which a short-term loan would be available from sympathetic parties.
6. CCI then calls for bids for CCFC knowing that a supporters' share scheme would raise as much as somewhere like Portsmouth and that there are a fair few local business people who would be willing to invest sums of around half a million each.
7. The new ownership model takes over CCFC.
8. With new momentum behind CCFC and strong popular support, negotiations with Wasps about securing income streams for CCFC and profits to be made from the Ricoh would begin from a position of strength (and having forced the Ricoh return and sisu out, Wasps would be wise at that point to listen very carefully!)
Nothing id like more than sisu out but telling sisu they have to hand over the club? are you for real? obvious you and the trust are behind this campaign with hoffman and elliot. sisu finally see sense?????
The trust have wasted years not getting a fighting fund in place. the trust have spent so many years fighting against our owners and cosying up to anyone that offers any chance of them leaving and a position of power, that they have lost focus on what is important@
we have lost all chance of owning any part of the ricoh but instead of a NOPM against wasps and hoping they fail so CCFC have a chance of buying into the ricoh, the trust suck on the wasps tail strings. the trust is so not fit for purpose!!!!!!!!
Didn't SISU approach the council about that and got told that houses couldn't be built there?
Is Ryton CCC or Warwickshire ? Can't remember.
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Rugby Borough Council and yes, McGinnity tried to flog it for housing. Well, he'd sold everything else...
Ryton is Rugby Borough Council. Didn't the application for houses come out in the first round of FOI's?
Are the alternative options proposed as follows? - the in match/after match pitch invasion ideas on FB and twitter respectively; believing/hoping wasps will buy ccfc; or hope for some change in sisu's approach/resign yourself to the slow death of ccfc. tbh can't say any of these fill me with hope for the future.
The alternative options to which options?
We need these consortiums who want to buy us, millionaire businessmen who want to invest 500k to come out and get the fans behind them if they really are that good for the club and really will take us forward. I can't see a fan who wouldn't back them if they were actually going to do well for the club.
Bit of a chicken and egg one. Having seen our different owners over the last two decades and what's happening with other clubs eg Blackpool, Leeds etc etc I have no faith in some rich person coming along and delivering our dreams - Chelsea and Man C are notable because they are the exceptions to the rule. Learning from others, the Swansea story exemplifies positive change being initiated by fans and then people with more money who share the vision come in with shared values not being the big I am.
Isn't your idea essentially about the Trust being the 'big I am'? or the 'fan' with the deepest pockets becomes king.
No. Look around this country and abroad and there are lots of different models to adopt/adapt as the best one for us.
You slicceeeeeeMy outline idea is win the huge rollover on the Euromillions, buy the bastards out, and give it large Danny Dyer style, oi oi I own a football club.
Is this too optimistic?
Several of those models are supported by some kind of governance.. especially in other countries. I've seen your model in place at Rushden & Diamonds and we know how that ended.
Whichever way you dress it up, there has to be someone with access to a large amount of capital at a moments notice to have any kind of fan or community led model. Which essentially will take you back to a wealthy owner model like we have now.
Several of those models are supported by some kind of governance.. especially in other countries. I've seen your model in place at Rushden & Diamonds and we know how that ended.
Whichever way you dress it up, there has to be someone with access to a large amount of capital at a moments notice to have any kind of fan or community led model. Which essentially will take you back to a wealthy owner model like we have now.
Swansea are a v interesting example of how the wealthy input came after fans got their club progressing and has been very much about supporting the fan-led vision.
Some believe we can make progress with sisu as owners. Others say sisu are not interested in footballing success, are not investing, are squeezing out any money they can and with the overall set up being based on the ability to liquidate at short notice. There does appear to be an absence of evidence to support the former view with the facts of the matter in reality pointing to the latter. That means exploring other options actually becomes necessary if ccfc is to survive (I don't share the view that it would be a doddle to resurrect the club after liquidation).
Swansea is an example of the local council bending over backwards to support the local team.
The trust board membership is irrelevant. Still I'm sure if the trust hierarchy keep sticking their head up Njckys arse they will end up with a seat on the wasps board -- on nickys lap probably.
Swansea is an example of the local council bending over backwards to support the local team.
The trust board membership is irrelevant. Still I'm sure if the trust hierarchy keep sticking their head up Njckys arse they will end up with a seat on the wasps board -- on nickys lap probably.
What do you expect. You are on the board of a trust that actively protested against a club being moved away from its fanbase.I go to Wasps games, go to Cov Rugby games as well,I also go to England Rugby games.
If you do not like it tough, am still going to go.
its idiots like you that cause so much hassle on these forums.
What do you expect. You are on the board of a trust that actively protested against a club being moved away from its fanbase.
Now you are supporting a club that has been moved away from its fanbase.
You are a hypocrite of the highest order.
I like Rugby, it's my first sport. I am a steward at the a Rugby World Cup.
i do not support Wasps but yes I go. Call me what you like I do not give a shit anymore.
Everyone knows who I am, where to find me if not happy come and talk to me.
Our club is almost dead and I am at the stage of joining the thousands who have walked away, some never to return.
More than happy to step down from Trust.
What do you expect. You are on the board of a trust that actively protested against a club being moved away from its fanbase.
Now you are supporting a club that has been moved away from its fanbase.
You are a hypocrite of the highest order.
Can you not even see at least the hypocritical nature of what you are saying?
Firstly, I like having first class Rugby in Covetry, secondly I do not think of it as Franchise, thirdly nothing we can do about it so why not accept it?
We had a choice and had a home yet moved away.
You are a small minority who do not want this club to be in Coventry, yet if you ask the Wasps fans they will tell you the true thoughts.
With regards to being a hypocrite, if that's what I am so what. Like I said earlier, no longer give a shit.
Of course it is a franchise, they had a choice too.Firstly, I like having first class Rugby in Covetry, secondly I do not think of it as Franchise, thirdly nothing we can do about it so why not accept it?
We had a choice and had a home yet moved away.
You are a small minority who do not want this club to be in Coventry, yet if you ask the Wasps fans they will tell you the true thoughts.
With regards to being a hypocrite, if that's what I am so what. Like I said earlier, no longer give a shit.
CCFC were never, ever in danger of being a franchise.. yet you led protests against the club being removed from it's home city - and rightly so.
Yet when Wasps do the same you seem to ignore that they have done exactly the same to their original fanbase... but now you fully support it.
Assuming you cite the financial case for Wasps moving to Coventry - then your opposition against us going to Sixfields was misplaced, as we now have a better deal at the Ricoh deal than we had before we went.
Nothing you can do but support them? That doesn't really make much senseI felt I could do something to change what had happend with City, nothing I can do to change what has gone on with the Wasps, they own our ground, they play in Coventry full stop.
You would be shocked how many City fans were going to Wasps games.
With regards to those who went to SIxfields, I agree at first I did not understand why anyone went, but after talking and discussing the situation I accepted in my own mind why some went. I stood on the hill every home game, that was my personal protest, those who know me will confirm I still chatted to everyone who went in. My mates went to games at Northhampton they are still my friends.
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