Andy Thorn is back... (1 Viewer)

Nick · Jun 30, 2015

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
Then you could set an example by being realistic about what a scouts role is i.e.

Checking out recommendations - Yes
Wandering around central Africa hoping to spot the next Pele playing in the middle of the road - No

I don't think I have suggested that people should be wandering around Africa. I very much doubt when the clubs like Chelsea find players they are hitch hiking around Africa.

People rave on about him finding gems and good players, there is a difference between somebody saying "Go and have a look at this player" and him saying "I have found this player".

For example if somebody found a Stuart Pearce playing in Non League and we signed him up it would be a good spot, however signing somebody who was in the Team of the Season in the League below is hardly unearthing a gem is it?

Yes the role of a scout is to check out recommendations, it is also to help find players isn't it?

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Nick said:
I don't think I have suggested that people should be wandering around Africa. I very much doubt when the clubs like Chelsea find players they are hitch hiking around Africa.

People rave on about him finding gems and good players, there is a difference between somebody saying "Go and have a look at this player" and him saying "I have found this player".

For example if somebody found a Stuart Pearce playing in Non League and we signed him up it would be a good spot, however signing somebody who was in the Team of the Season in the League below is hardly unearthing a gem is it?

Yes the role of a scout is to check out recommendations, it is also to help find players isn't it?

Basically, yes. Then the Chief scouts job is to filter through all the dozens and dozens of recommendations from his team of scouts and other sources, scout them 4 or five times home and away and make a decision.

Grendel · Jun 30, 2015

Nick said:
I don't think I have suggested that people should be wandering around Africa. I very much doubt when the clubs like Chelsea find players they are hitch hiking around Africa.

People rave on about him finding gems and good players, there is a difference between somebody saying "Go and have a look at this player" and him saying "I have found this player".

For example if somebody found a Stuart Pearce playing in Non League and we signed him up it would be a good spot, however signing somebody who was in the Team of the Season in the League below is hardly unearthing a gem is it?

Yes the role of a scout is to check out recommendations, it is also to help find players isn't it?

There was one poster on here who event listed Marlon King as one of his finds.

Westwood was £750,000 and league one goalie of the year. That's not scouting that's reading a news paper and putting two and two together. To be fair probably that was a toughie for thorn

SlowerThanPlatt · Jun 30, 2015

Obviously the CT have produced an article with about a sentence from Thorn saying 'I'm glad to be working as a scout again'. How on earth are they getting paid for this? Why don't they ask him who do you think should take responsibility for relegating the club from the Championship? What were SISU like to work under? Do you see a positive future for the club now? Was Jutkiewicz sold without you having a decision? Bloody hell, the local newspaper is terrible. The only decent one is Andy Turner.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jun 30, 2015

Nick said:
I don't think I have suggested that people should be wandering around Africa. I very much doubt when the clubs like Chelsea find players they are hitch hiking around Africa.

People rave on about him finding gems and good players, there is a difference between somebody saying "Go and have a look at this player" and him saying "I have found this player".

For example if somebody found a Stuart Pearce playing in Non League and we signed him up it would be a good spot, however signing somebody who was in the Team of the Season in the League below is hardly unearthing a gem is it?

Yes the role of a scout is to check out recommendations, it is also to help find players isn't it?

I'd agree re Chelsea. Clubs like them probably have a significant scouting infrastructure around the world to avoid the poor "super scout" having to wander around doing it all himself.

As I recall Bobby Gould went to watch Pearce play for Wealdstone at Yeovil, on the back of a recommendation. Personally I'd still give Gould huge credit for signing him.

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2015

Joy Division said:
Not forgetting dross like Jordan Henderson, Jack Cork, Danny Fox, Scott Dann, Keiron Westwood, Richard Keogh, Arron Gunnarsson and Lucas Jutkewitcz

Good to see his myth lives on. He didn't scout Gunnarsson.

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Grendel said:
There was one poster on here who event listed Marlon King as one of his finds.

Westwood was £750,000 and league one goalie of the year. That's not scouting that's reading a news paper and putting two and two together. To be fair probably that was a toughie for thorn

Who else was in that team of the year the same season? On that basis perhaps we should have signed all those players.

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
Good to see his myth lives on. He didn't scout Gunnarsson.

Guess someone should inform his agent. Who did scout him?

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 30, 2015

Joy Division said:
I dont think I would include any of my managerial history if I was him! Yeah strange page he has there, but I'm pretty sure it was the big man himself who recommended Fox and Dann to the club.

Well given he's made it so complicated to find out, I'll take your word for it!

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2015

It has already been mentioned earlier in this thread. He was recommended to Coleman by someone else.

I am surprised that you haven't tried to give him credit for scouting Robbie Keane or Dion Dublin as well.

Face it, the majority of this forum got shown up for their outlandish claims about Thorn.

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2015

Joy Division said:
I dont think I would include any of my managerial history if I was him! Yeah strange page he has there, but I'm pretty sure it was the big man himself who recommended Fox and Dann to the club.

hahahaaha!! He wasn't even at CCFC at the time, so how exactly did he recommend them to the club? I thought that Dann & Fox joined under Dowie, well before Thorn even came to the club.

Laughable.

Grendel · Jun 30, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Well given he's made it so complicated to find out, I'll take your word for it!

Well Bob Dowie was chief scout...,

http://www.big-football-forum.co.uk/bff/viewtopic.php?style=1&f=2&t=4289

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 30, 2015

Grendel said:
Well Bob Dowie was chief scout...,

http://www.big-football-forum.co.uk/bff/viewtopic.php?style=1&f=2&t=4289

Mr. Thorn might want to look into sorting out his Linked In page then

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2015

His PR page is a laugh as well, I think he tries to claim that he was responsible for securing CCFC's future thanks to the club being able to make a profit from selling the likes of Jordan Henderson.
It seems he believed the hype that the idiots created.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
His PR page is a laugh as well, I think he tries to claim that he was responsible for securing CCFC's future thanks to the club being able to make a profit from selling the likes of Jordan Henderson.
It seems he believed the hype that the idiots created.

tbf, it's what half the population does, it seems... blow their job up so a bit of photocopying looks like they managed the entire continental division!

Nick · Jun 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
His PR page is a laugh as well, I think he tries to claim that he was responsible for securing CCFC's future thanks to the club being able to make a profit from selling the likes of Jordan Henderson.
It seems he believed the hype that the idiots created.

Got the link to it again?

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2015

Nick said:
Got the link to it again?

http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2012/10/football-manager-andy-thorn-appoints-fc/

Perhaps the legacy of Andy’s tenure at Coventry will be that he successfully acquired numerous players on free transfers, all of whom soon became considerable assets to the club (most of whom were sold on promptly), such as Jordan Henderson, Jack Cork, Danny Fox, Scott Dann, Keiron Westwood, Richard Keogh, Anar Gunnarsson and Lucas Jutkewitcz. It would be no exaggeration to say that but for the discovery and then sale of some of these players, Coventry may well not have survived.

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
It has already been mentioned earlier in this thread. He was recommended to Coleman by someone else.

I am surprised that you haven't tried to give him credit for scouting Robbie Keane or Dion Dublin as well.

Face it, the majority of this forum got shown up for their outlandish claims about Thorn.

Not quite sure what you are getting all worked up about, maybe its the hot weather. I guess you are another person who can't work out the difference between scouting and recommending.

Sick Boy · Jun 30, 2015

Joy Division said:
Not quite sure what you are getting all worked up about, maybe its the hot weather. I guess you are another person who can't work out the difference between scouting and recommending.

I'm not worked up, just depressed that I don't know as much about football as the rest of our know-it-all fans.

Your attempts at defending your master are laughable. Are you going out on the boat with MMM & Thorny this weekend?

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
I'm not worked up, just depressed that I don't know as much about football as the rest of our know-it-all fans.

Your attempts at defending your master are laughable. Are you going out on the boat with MMM & Thorny this weekend?

Where have I said he's my master and that I rate the guy?

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
I'm not worked up, just depressed that I don't know as much about football as the rest of our know-it-all fans.

Your attempts at defending your master are laughable. Are you going out on the boat with MMM & Thorny this weekend?

I'm just stating that there is a difference between recommending a player and scouting a player. In your view then, any old ex player could phone you up recommend someone so you'd sign him without scouting them? Wow.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jun 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
I'm not worked up, just depressed that I don't know as much about football as the rest of our know-it-all fans.

Your attempts at defending your master are laughable. Are you going out on the boat with MMM & Thorny this weekend?

And that's when you're not worked up.......

ajsccfc · Jun 30, 2015

That PR blurb's a dream. I always look back on the £20m we made on Henderson as what kept us going.

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

I dont think it states that we sold Henderson.

Grendel · Jun 30, 2015

Joy Division said:
I dont think it states that we sold Henderson.

It says we acquired him on a free transfer -- did we?

ajsccfc · Jun 30, 2015

It does include him in a list of players we got for free who became considerable assets to the club. Pick whichever lie you prefer.

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Grendel said:
It says we acquired him on a free transfer -- did we?

No. Does it say he sold him?

Grendel · Jun 30, 2015

Joy Division said:
No. Does it say he sold him?

How much of this statement is factually accurate?

Perhaps the legacy of Andy’s tenure at Coventry will be that he successfully acquired numerous players on free transfers, all of whom soon became considerable assets to the club (most of whom were sold on promptly), such as Jordan Henderson, Jack Cork, Danny Fox, Scott Dann, Keiron Westwood, Richard Keogh, Anar Gunnarsson and Lucas Jutkewitcz. It would be no exaggeration to say that but for the discovery and then sale of some of these players, Coventry may well not have survived.
Perhaps the legacy of Andy’s tenure at Coventry will be that he successfully acquired numerous players on free transfers, all of whom soon became considerable assets to the club (most of whom were sold on promptly), such as Jordan Henderson, Jack Cork, Danny Fox, Scott Dann, Keiron Westwood, Richard Keogh, Anar Gunnarsson and Lucas Jutkewitcz. It would be no exaggeration to say that but for the discovery and then sale of some of these players, Coventry may well not have survived.

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

ajsccfc said:
It does include him in a list of players we got for free who became considerable assets to the club. Pick whichever lie you prefer.

Yeah that part is a complete lie I agree.

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Grendel said:
How much of this statement is factually accurate?

Perhaps the legacy of Andy’s tenure at Coventry will be that he successfully acquired numerous players on free transfers, all of whom soon became considerable assets to the club (most of whom were sold on promptly), such as Jordan Henderson, Jack Cork, Danny Fox, Scott Dann, Keiron Westwood, Richard Keogh, Anar Gunnarsson and Lucas Jutkewitcz. It would be no exaggeration to say that but for the discovery and then sale of some of these players, Coventry may well not have survived.
Perhaps the legacy of Andy’s tenure at Coventry will be that he successfully acquired numerous players on free transfers, all of whom soon became considerable assets to the club (most of whom were sold on promptly), such as Jordan Henderson, Jack Cork, Danny Fox, Scott Dann, Keiron Westwood, Richard Keogh, Anar Gunnarsson and Lucas Jutkewitcz. It would be no exaggeration to say that but for the discovery and then sale of some of these players, Coventry may well not have survived.

You tell me.

Grendel · Jun 30, 2015

Joy Division said:
You tell me.

I would say they are all lies. What do you say?

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Grendel said:
I would say they are all lies. What do you say?

Totally fine if that's what you think, I personally have no idea. All the information I have its what is publicly published from various sources, you can make your own mind up from any of these. If you are telling me that he was not responsible for recruiting any of those players and that all of that statement is a lie no problem.

Grendel · Jun 30, 2015

Thorn was the biggest scourge on this club -- along with Ken Delieu - other than Ray the only twat who'd ever have given him the job in the first place. We'd still be in the Championship if that useless no hoper had never been on our payroll

Grendel · Jun 30, 2015

Joy Division said:
Totally fine if that's what you think, I personally have no idea. All the information I have its what is publicly published from various sources, you can make your own mind up from any of these. If you are telling me that he was not responsible for recruiting any of those players and that all of that statement is a lie no problem.

Er.......its says acquired on Free Transfers - none of those players were free

Joy Division · Jun 30, 2015

Grendel said:
Er.......its says acquired on Free Transfers - none of those players were free

No none of those players were free. I've already said that part isn't true.

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