Otis
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That is true. Many of our goals have come from crosses from the full back positions. We don't get enough crosses in though and with the diamond formation the full backs have to cover an awful lot of ground.
Im not paid to be manager but certainly ditch the diamond and use wing backs 3-5-2 or a 5-3-2 which ever way you wanna look at it. Most of our goals come from the full backs.
There's hundreds of managers out there who would do a better job and who would love the job for the same money.there's no one out there who we can afford. All the talk of 'lets give Carsley a go' etc is utter bollox
Im not paid to be manager but certainly ditch the diamond and use wing backs 3-5-2 or a 5-3-2 which ever way you wanna look at it. Most of our goals come from the full backs.
They bring someone in who instills a never say die attitude amongst the playing staff. They bring someone in who works on the shocking lack of movement in the team. They bring someone in who gets the team to play as a unit instead of under these tactics of massive gaps between the front two and the midfield.
Yes, said previously, it will be a struggle this season whatever, but there are undoubtedly things we could change to improve our chances.
That is true. Many of our goals have come from crosses from the full back positions. We don't get enough crosses in though and with the diamond formation the full backs have to cover an awful lot of ground.
If most of our goals come from our fullbacks, and they are able to get plenty of crosses in each match, why do we need to play them as wingbacks, play an extra defender and further reduce the likelihood of a midfielder getting forward supporting the attack.
No one plays 532/352 anymore.
They would have to cover the same amount of ground as a wing back, we'd just have 1 less midfield player.
Im not paid to be manager but certainly ditch the diamond and use wing backs 3-5-2 or a 5-3-2 which ever way you wanna look at it. Most of our goals come from the full backs.
I agree with your choice of system it should in theory tighten up the defence. The only problem I see is we very rarely seem to have three centrebacks fit at any one time.
I agree with your choice of system it should in theory tighten up the defence. The only problem I see is we very rarely seem to have three centrebacks fit at any one time.
Good facts and can't argue with any of them !!!!!
Who are Sisu going to bring in that they can afford and improve our current league position without squad investment ??????????
We have on many occasions. Last 2 or 3 games we have had Cranie, Keogh, Cameron and Wood. That's 4. Previous to that we had McPake available too for a few games.
It seems every post now reverts to the same argument - Thorn in / Thorn out. It is fairly obvious which camp I am in. My frustration is that the main response to keeping Thorn is that we cannot afford anyone else. That says more about Thorn than any critic needs to. If someone in an organisation continually fails thay get removed and a replacement is then sought.
He clearly is not capable as a manager. Comments that say no other manager could improve the situation are senseless. People who say anyone - Ferguson etc. would be incapable of improving the situation are senseless. What does that mean - Thorn is as good a manager as Ferguson or the club is in such a state no-one can improve the players as they are that bad. Well if that latter is true (it certainly ain't the former) then lets just remove him and replace him with no-one. Let's all enter a prize draw every week and be manager for a day if you win. Why not? It makes no difference.
Also if the players are so so bad (players who are taking £5 million in wages out of the club) the Chief Scout must be sacked as well - who is that by the way?
Some fans say give Thorn a medal -- what for, the easiest job in football? He can produce the worst results in living memory and still get away with it.
Sack the owners !!!!!!!!
Sack the players !!!!!!!!
I don't hear you calling for their heads surely they are equally at fault ?
Sack the owners !!!!!!!!
Sack the players !!!!!!!!
I don't hear you calling for their heads surely they are equally at fault ?
We will just have to agree to differ in opinion I just don't see anything to gain by sacking the manager especially when the root causes aren't being fixed first.
And that's it, it's because people have lost patience. Really, we all knew we were in massive trouble before a ball was kicked. But most hoped that, by some miracle, we'd be OK. It was denial, as football is all about hope. I just couldn't see it with the squad we have-too little depth, too many crocks, and for all the promise of the youth, we know they can't play every minute of every game at an acceptable level yet. If you'd accepted relegation like me pre-season then you wouldn't be blaming the manager now. I don't want us to go down, and it is sad to have accepted it so early, but it really was entirely inevitable IMO.
I just think it's the done thing in football to blame the manager. I can see the points of criticisms that some have made, but in the grand scheme of things it's stuff that might make maybe a couple of points difference to our season. Not enough to keep us up, yes, WHOEVER is in charge.
I know a lot of people who previously blamed the board now blame Thorn. The frustration at not being able to get to them means he, naturally, is the only available target for frustrations. SISU have their scapegoat. It's all going perfectly to plan :facepalm:
But you know as well as me that the root causes are not going to be fixed! There is in fact only one change we can make.
Entirely proving my point: we want to change the manager because we can't change the owners.
Entirely proving my point: we want to change the manager because we can't change the owners.
And that's it, it's because people have lost patience. Really, we all knew we were in massive trouble before a ball was kicked. But most hoped that, by some miracle, we'd be OK. It was denial, as football is all about hope. I just couldn't see it with the squad we have-too little depth, too many crocks, and for all the promise of the youth, we know they can't play every minute of every game at an acceptable level yet. If you'd accepted relegation like me pre-season then you wouldn't be blaming the manager now. I don't want us to go down, and it is sad to have accepted it so early, but it really was entirely inevitable IMO.
I just think it's the done thing in football to blame the manager. I can see the points of criticisms that some have made, but in the grand scheme of things it's stuff that might make maybe a couple of points difference to our season. Not enough to keep us up, yes, WHOEVER is in charge.
I know a lot of people who previously blamed the board now blame Thorn. The frustration at not being able to get to them means he, naturally, is the only available target for frustrations. SISU have their scapegoat. It's all going perfectly to plan :facepalm:
No, not at all. Think you are missing the point. I said the above but you are forgetting that I also said they are all culpable (board, manager, players).
People want to change AT because he is making a number of mistakes and showing his inexperience.
Simply do not buy this one bit. Thorn is probably already responsible for more than 2 points lost and it's only 17 games in. You think he is only going to be responsible for a couple of points the entire season? :facepalm:
So any points we gain, he's not responsible for them? :facepalm:
So you don't think in any way whatsoever that people what the board to sack the manager because it's the only change we can make? You are contradicting yourself if so.
I think they do want to change the manager as it's the only change that is likely.
Where am I contradicting myself? I am not contradicting myself at all. :facepalm: People would like to change the board, we can't. People would like to change the players, we can't do that either. People want to change the manager. This is something that can be done.
Simple really. People do not want to change the manager because it is the only change that can be made. They want all the changes. Only one can happen.
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