SkyBlue_Bear83
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Yea I totally agree, we all should sit back, relax and enjoy the one way ticket to league 1 with Thorn in charge.
SISU have to go as well but Thorn is not getting the best out of the squad we have.
Yea I totally agree, we all should sit back, relax and enjoy the one way ticket to league 1 with Thorn in charge.I agree. The blame the manager/sack the manager cycle has to stop. Look where it's got us. What progress have we made since sacking Adams? Dowie? Coleman? Boothroyd? Nowhere. It would be the same if we got rid of AT. It's SISU that are the problem, they are the ones who have hamstrung him.
I think the fans will get there way though and he'll be sacked. Then they'll moan about his replacement on appointment or wait until he's lost a few and then moan about him then. And so on and so forth...
i seem to remember a lot of people complaining about Boothroyds style of play when we were in the playoffs, then we lost the backbone of our team due to injury and wasn't able to recover. Fans don't always know best, if they did they'd be managers, not just fans.
Where is the evidence of Thorn's talent that allows people to say it's purely a money thing? To even suggest that nobody could do better with the same squad than a recently-converted scout is amazing.
But we have had this for years lloyd but that was not what I was getting at and it was not a go about squad depth or anything like that(sorry if you thought it was)
My main point was fighting spirit, the players have not got it, they have no desire forget skill etc it is down to fighting for survival and beleiving that they can do it,motivation,growing some nuts and putting your body on the line for the team, for the club, for the fans but it is not there and this is down to management and training.
How can we know that changing a manager will not bring this desire back into the group of players unless we try?
If we stick with Thorn weather we like it or not is only going one way and that is down, ok we get relegated with a differant manager but if we are going to go down then at least lets go down fighting not whimpering.
Yea I totally agree, we all should sit back, relax and enjoy the one way ticket to league 1 with Thorn in charge.
SISU have to go as well but Thorn is not getting the best out of the squad we have.
Sack him. Get someone else in. Keep losing because the squad is poor. Moan. Get relegated. Moan. Lack of investment in squad. Lose matches. Moan. Lose more matches. Moan. Sack manager. etc etc etc
The cycle has to stop sometime. If we are relegated anyway as you and many others have stated then what's the point?
Is it not the signal from SISU to the players thats the issue here ,does that not render the manager toothless.I should clarify my position is not that of calling for his head. I'd love him to do well and there are clearly constraints that hamper him. However he's hardly the first to have similar conditions, and I'm not convinced he has the capability to thrive under them. I'd be delighted for him to prove otherwise, but I'm not giving him blind faith just because he's seen as fighting the tide against big bad SISU.
i seem to remember a lot of people complaining about Boothroyds style of play when we were in the playoffs, then we lost the backbone of our team due to injury and wasn't able to recover. Fans don't always know best, if they did they'd be managers, not just fans.
Yea if things stay as they are we will be relegated imo.Sack him. Get someone else in. Keep losing because the squad is poor. Moan. Get relegated. Moan. Lack of investment in squad. Lose matches. Moan. Lose more matches. Moan. Sack manager. etc etc etc
The cycle has to stop sometime. If we are relegated anyway as you and many others have stated then what's the point?
Is it not the signal from SISU to the players thats the issue here ,does that not render the manager toothless.
I agree totally a lot of people on here complained about Boothroyds tactics and they had good reason to, it was diabolic. If people come on here who say they have been a supporter for 30/40 years and say its the worst football they have ever seen us play, which was happening even when we were high in the league then you must listen to them and not totally disregard there opinions because you don't agree with them. Statements like these are colossol in meaning, 30/40 years its a bloody long time.
I know fans don't know best, but many make very valid well imformed points, so do we have to ignore them, is that your advice, and the point all fans who always know best, why are'nt they managers, well life takes many routes,different paths and all that away from football management, its like saying people who speak of on polotics, should have chosen a career in polotics. Why do we ignore people's opinion who have decades of experience of watching football, just because we don't agree.
The Rev
Torch - or on the otherside. Keep Thorn, relegated by April and then he leaves when his contract runs out end of season and then will have a pre-season of unrest.
Which we will have anyway whether he stays or goes. If the club are relegated regardless of whoever is manager and SISU is here then the protests and action will continue anyway...we're in for unrest whether you get your way with Thorn or not.
I'm not saying he's the best manager we've had or could have, but he's here and he's doing his best in unprecedented circumstances. Whether "doing his best" is ultimately good enough, who knows?
I'm not saying that we should ignore it. Not at all. I was stating that it doesn't matter what style of football we play, supporters moan, it doesn't matter what position in the league we're in, supporters moan, the managers haven't had enough time to really make a difference in the squad and they get the sack for a string of bad performances.
Every decision that has been made over the last 2 seasons has put us in our current predicament, the fans are calling for a change, but I feel that changing the manager is the wrong change right now.
I agree that I've seen AT do some tactically questionable things during a game, but I've seen that from every manager I've ever seen, ranging from Man Utd to Luton, that doesn't mean they are solely to blame.
If a player makes a mistake and it leads to a goal, do you blame the player or the manager for putting that player on the pitch?
Differing views lloyd, but i respect your opinion and we move on together towards some good times, Hopefully
The Rev
But we have had this for years lloyd but that was not what I was getting at and it was not a go about squad depth or anything like that(sorry if you thought it was)
My main point was fighting spirit, the players have not got it, they have no desire forget skill etc it is down to fighting for survival and beleiving that they can do it,motivation,growing some nuts and putting your body on the line for the team, for the club, for the fans but it is not there and this is down to management and training.
How can we know that changing a manager will not bring this desire back into the group of players unless we try?
If we stick with Thorn weather we like it or not is only going one way and that is down, ok we get relegated with a differant manager but if we are going to go down then at least lets go down fighting not whimpering.
The current 'equipment' has had us in positions to earn a lot more points than we have this season, and while the opposing manager has adapted his side this we've come up short time and time again in this department.
I go to work every day and earn enough money to keep me afloat, I can't afford a fancy house or car or designer clothes etc etc....
Them players get paid a lot of money compared to the average man on the street and should fight tooth and nail anyway, it's quite obvious that the players just aren't interested co's of all the off field distractions and basically not good enough no matter who the manager is.
STOP blaming Thorn it's not his fault he has nothing to work with, the players know we are in the smelly stuff, so your point about them not fighting tooth and nail surely has to fall on them? or maybe they don't know and they are out enjoying the rich lifestyle they lead everyday!!
Changing the manager with no funds is not going to do anything with the current crop of players we have, we need investment and anyone who can't see that is not being honest and needs to get a reality check!!
Erm, you ought to read my post again before calling it WRONG. I didn't mention last season in any way, we've dropped points this season from advantageous positions.
So money is both the problem and the solution, and Thorn is both blameless and useless?
Quite the pickle.
The point is if the players know we are in trouble why should they need anyone to gee them up?
The point is they earn a lot of money and are not giving anything in return!
The point is Andy Thorn has been given hardly anything to work with.
The point is common sense will tell ya If you have a side that hasn't finished anywhere near the top of the league for years and then you lose most of your best players you are going to struggle.
and a manager who hasn't a clue.
i agree recipe for a disaster
I don't believe that they're not trying their best to win games, that's just an easy excuse to explain away flaws, such as the coaching, preparation and application of the team. Likewise I believe Thorn's doing his best, but I've seen NO evidence that suggests he's doing as well as anyone could in the same position. If anyone has, I'd love to see it.
Again, where's the case for Thorn as a good manager? A year ago he'd taken charge of as many matches as I have, and I'm still not too far behind him when it comes to points on the board.
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