You can point to track records of managers that go beyond chief scout, you can point to people with actual experience of managing football teams more than a few months, of coaching, of adapting to what's going on. Can't do that with Thorn, all you can do is reiterate that he can't do anything without money. Money that's not there. Essentially painting him as a castrated figure who has zero control over the fortunes of the team he's meant to guide.
A manger who has blunt tools to work with, he's not clueless at all.
Entitled to your opinion no matter how toothless it is.
I don't understand your post?
Because to me you have agreed that Andy Thorn is not to blame co's of issues beyond his control?
The players should definitely take blame, everyone involved should; that's my point. Thorn should too, as his job is managing the side. There are restrictions on what he does, but these should not be reasons to absolve him of all blame.
I know Andy Thorn has made mistakes, all managers do even the great Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger do, what I'm saying is this man is being made a scapegoat, I am 47 yrs old and have supported Coventry City most of my life and I can't remember a manager of Cov City having so little resources to work with.
I'm just as frustrated as everyone else about the mess were in but sacking the manager isn't going to solve our problems, the problems City have got go much deeper.
He is though. He has done nothing in the past month to change the team tactics, formation etc... he insits the Diamond formation will come 'good' but 20 games in i beg to differ.
I have sympathy for the fella BUT he's not cut out to be a manager.
He has not showed great manager attributes (Spelling) during his tenre so far. Over 30 games under his leadership and weve become a bottom of league team.
So your happy with the performances?
Your happy been bottom?
Your happy 7 points adrift?
Your happy with the same formation week in week out?
Your happy with the same old drivel coming out of Thorn's mouth?
All the above Thorn can change with better tactics, better motivation for the players and most off all get the team playing with some pride and passion which has seriously lacked over recent weeks.
No I'm not happy with it, are you?
But how on earth will getting rid of Andy Thorn solve all the problems the club has.
You're blaming a man who has nothing to work with.
Do you think after a match he's gonna slag the players down every week and make them feel even worse?
I'm surprised he kept quiet for so long to be honest, how many times in post match interviews have you heard a manager say I didn't see the incident, they obviously did but are standing up for their players, and that is exactly what Thorn has done for the past 20 games.
I'm not saying he is a great manager but for gods sake look at the circumstances he's had to work in, the man deserves a medal!!
That's where the problem is. You feel sorry for him. You say he deserves a medal. Christ sake we've won twice all season and you say he deserves a medal!!! Sersiously teams like Barnsley, Doncaster and Scunthorpe have survived in the past with worse teams.
That's where the problem is. You feel sorry for him. You say he deserves a medal. Christ sake we've won twice all season and you say he deserves a medal!!!
Spot on. The general attitude we're seeing is blow-your-brains-out absurdity. The rage against SISU has reached such feverish levels that a deep, malevolent conspiracy is read into the most innocuous of words/actions they commit; and correspondingly the sympathy and good graces for Andy Thorn just deepen.
There are a few (very few) fans who will try to make a legitimate argument for keeping on Thorn, but the whole "nobody could do better" line is self-pitying masochism like I've never seen before. For all our faults as a club and a people, I never thought I'd see that attitude from the masses.
I have never said I feel sorry for him at all, I have said look at what he's got to work with.
Yes but look at the real reasons why we have only won twice all season, the players he has been left with aren't good enough!
You can't say he's got it wrong every game?
What about the end of last season when he took over, the tactics weren't wrong then were they, no because he had better players to work with, that is my whole point, it's not the system, it's the players, their pro's for gods sake and have had long enough to adapt to the system so you can't keep putting all of the blame on Andy Thorn.
You can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear as the saying goes.
Or it dont matter how much you roll shit in sugar it is still gonna taste like shit!!
It's not all his fault.
The problem is people not thinking logically, CCFC have a whole host of problems and making the manager a scapegoat isn't going to solve anything.
Nobody is making the manager a scapegoat. If anything he's getting the complete opposite treatment.
when Andy Thorn does get the sack and we bring another manager in who also has no funds to work with and we go down, will we still be saying the same old things, sack the manager, change the formation, he's toothless etc etc
Andy Thorn has been made a scapegoat end of!!
cody mcdonald, david bell, james mcpake, chris hussey, roy odonovan, stephen o halloran says otherwise, unless he claims he wasnt scouting then, the man is clulessI don't think there's any doubt on this one! I think he's proved he certainly can spot players.
I go to work every day and earn enough money to keep me afloat, I can't afford a fancy house or car or designer clothes etc etc....
Them players get paid a lot of money compared to the average man on the street and should fight tooth and nail anyway, it's quite obvious that the players just aren't interested co's of all the off field distractions and basically not good enough no matter who the manager is.
STOP blaming Thorn it's not his fault he has nothing to work with, the players know we are in the smelly stuff, so your point about them not fighting tooth and nail surely has to fall on them? or maybe they don't know and they are out enjoying the rich lifestyle they lead everyday!!
Changing the manager with no funds is not going to do anything with the current crop of players we have, we need investment and anyone who can't see that is not being honest and needs to get a reality check!!
cody mcdonald, david bell, james mcpake, chris hussey, roy odonovan, stephen o halloran says otherwise, unless he claims he wasnt scouting then, the man is cluless
cody mcdonald, david bell, james mcpake, chris hussey, roy odonovan, stephen o halloran says otherwise, unless he claims he wasnt scouting then, the man is cluless
SISU are to blame more than anything. Otherwise in the last 4 years we have had shite managers all the time.
We are not as bad as the position we find ourselves in.
Show me a scout with a flawless list of recommended players and I'll let you take my unicorn for a spin.
Mcpake would be a great player for us if he could stay fit, Hussey has performed very well this season apart from 1/2 games where people decided they would make him the scapegoat, Mcdonald hasn't been given a chance yet.cody mcdonald, david bell, james mcpake, chris hussey, roy odonovan, stephen o halloran says otherwise, unless he claims he wasnt scouting then, the man is cluless
I think this thread has run it's course but will leave you with this, when Andy Thorn does get the sack and we bring another manager in who also has no funds to work with and we go down, will we still be saying the same old things, sack the manager, change the formation, he's toothless etc etc......
Andy Thorn has been made a scapegoat end of!!
okay, so I go to work, and say that i need a powerful computer to do graphics design, my boss tells me they can only afford a computer that can do half the job and if it breaks i can't replace it unless its free and i can't repair it unless its free. When the computer breaks, i cant replace it, my client then moans at me because i didnt do their job, i relate this back to my bosses and they say there is nothing they can do.
WHAT DO I DO?! This is the position thorn is in. some people on this forum just don't get that. Do I believe given the resources Thorn will get us in the top half? No. Not this season, If he's given the resources do I think he can still get us out of the relegation zone? Yes I do.
Our fans are always quick to judge and call for the managers head everytime theres a run of bad form, has happened every season I've supported this club. It's ridiculous, you're as bad as those who were calling for Wengers head at Arsenal.
Wasn't O'Donovan signed by Boothroyd anyway, considering he'd pursued him at Colchester too?
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