They wouldn't allow any any which is why I said the policy is akin to nazi Germany's. There is not one democratic society that would ever operate that system.
It's racist by definition. In Germany of course the full employment status could not be attained. So the population allowed to work was restricted and German born Jews and other undesirables were removed.
Under your "policy" the same would happen.
The irony of course is your idea would be most unpopular with the very people you are trying to benefit.
You said the policy I proposed was the same as Nazi Germany, we have now established that to be false.
Most advanced, non European countries base their immigration policy on what they need. Is that racist by definition? Are Australia and America racist countries?
Why is it wrong for us to try and limit the amount of immigrants to the amount we need?
Also, I am keen to hear how reducing the supply of low skilled workers is bad for indigenous low skilled workers.
I am not sure what is being suggested here. That the cars washers commit crime? Is there any evidence of this? More than likely it is that they are filling a void in the market where demand has exceeded supply. Much the same for service sector workers who rather than take jobs of "UK workers" are taking jobs from UK people who would rather not work.
Are you sure about that? The last Census does not agree - not that I am sure what the point is anyway
http://www.londonspovertyprofile.or...ation/londons-population-by-country-of-birth/
More what? Doctors and Nurses to fill the void from the lack of interest or capability of the indigenous population to be employed in these areas? The increases longevity of the population and the percentage changes in age of the population is a far greater problem. The NHS has been a political football for many years and its problems are not related to immigration.
Those with a bad criminal record are unknown to the police here. Look at the bad crimes committed in this country and then see how many are committed by illegal immigrants.It is quite a high percentage for the amount in this country/QUOTE]
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Subjective. There is no percentage available to their illegal status. Clearly illegal means that those individuals have no place here and therefore are irrelevant in a debate on immigration.
You quote illegal immigration as the main crime source so EU is surely legal isn't it? Again it has broadly been successful in filling jobs that the population seem reluctant to take on the one hand and incapable on the other. Do they want to slacken them? Vote no at the referendum if this above economic viability is a primary concern.
We do not all know it is true, a lot of us think it is xenophobic nonsense. Look at a study by the LSE as an example.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/28/immigration-impact-crime
Full of shit twisting of words as usual. Well done.
Strange ass-hole? Who am I to disagree?
You talk a load of rubbish Grendel as usual to suit your argument, your participation is never about reality but intellectual one upmanship..............you still talk twaddle though !
No we haven't. It is a policy of zero migration into the country until full employment is achieved (your words). That was their policy. Of course when the utopia is still not achieved the "british jobs for british workers" mantra kicks in. The nature of the policy you suggest will guarantee repatriation of many people. Doctors, nurses and other highly skilled workers would be fired for being non British. Progressive thinking.
No, their policy zero immigration full stop.
I fail to see the relevance of Nazi Germany anyway. Personally I think its a bit sick to compare peoples legitimate concerns about immigration to a regime that was responsible for 60 million deaths. I'm sure if I tried to compare a supporter of Keynesian economics (which is most centre left people) to Hitler (a big advocate of Keynesian economics) then you would rightly ask what the comparison is?
This is purely an anti-EU statement. By definition all countries control migration outside freedom of movement treaties. USA has 6% of its workforce (well in excess of 1 million) unemployed and yet still takes in workers from other countries including unskilled ones. Clearly this is far too liberal by your standards. Australia has nearly 30% of its inhabitants born overseas and net migration figures are similar to ours but off a lower population. I wouldn't believe everything Nigel tells you.
We both know that it is much more difficult to get into either of those two countries, and if your advocating a points based immigration system then I'm not really proposing anything different.
We do outside the EU agreement. Of course cancelling the agreement will result in re-patriation of existing workers and those benefit from pensionable benefits in EU countries.
Consider this;
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/does-number-of-europeans-here-equal-brits-abroad/2322
I see little evidence EU migrants take jobs from British workers. The low paid sector has prospered from cross border migration. It would appear these jobs are not desired by the UK population. So either we have full employment already or as full as people want it to be.
Whether certain jobs are desired by indigenous people or not is irrelevant. Job seekers allowance should be a privilege, not a right. If the idle don't want to do a certain job that is fine, but that should be the end of any benefits. The UK has a real problem with an underclass that can't be arsed to work, and bringing in hard working Eastern Europeans is just masking that problem.
Unlimited immigration is just kicking the problem of a growing underclass who are happy to spend their lives on benefits, letting others keep them. Until they are forced into work, nothing will change, and until unlimited immigration stops, there aren't enough jobs to force the underclass into.
I will answer your points but you seemed to accidentally have missed one out;
We do outside the EU agreement. Of course cancelling the agreement will result in re-patriation of existing workers and those benefit from pensionable benefits in EU countries.
Consider this;
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...ts-abroad/2322
Well I am not advocating leaving the EU. IMO European immigration only become a problem once Eastern European countries joined. The most sensible thing to do would have been to postpone their freedom of movement rights until their economies caught up with Western Europe.
That ship has sailed.
In Boston the official amount of immigrants is 15% of the population. And just about all of these are from the last 10 years. But the majority of them are not on the official register. And many are homeless on top of those living in caravans or shared houses that average well over 10 in each house. It is said locally that over 50% in the area are immigrants. And the infrastructure just can't cope. Streets are used as open toilets. Different nationalities fight with each other. And there is not enough work locally to go around.
I'd be interested to know how far back some of the UKIP-esque posters think we should go when repatriating people? If two Eastern Europeans have a child that was born here, will the child then be kicked out of his or her own country? What about those with a foreign grandparent(s)? We can't be too careful with these lot.
Has anyone else noticed how the migrants coming into this country to work are 'immigrants'; yet those British people in Spain who don't work over there, can't speak the language and have imported their own culture are considered ex-pats?
It sounds as though these people have integrated well with the locals then.
So do you say that we should have open borders and let everyone in that wants to come?
What is wrong with wanting to keep the criminals out?
Should those that commit serious crimes be allowed to stay?
You mention the ex-pats. The vast majority of them take their money with them. They don't need handouts. They don't need work. And if they need hospital treatment they have to pay for it. Yet you call it as the same as someone coming here without checks that has no money and nowhere to live.
Like you say it doesn't matter as everyone should be allowed in. It doesn't matter a thing for the people it affects. I have seen it for myself. It isn't a nice place to be. The majority are there to work hard. But those are very unhappy with others of the same nationalities that cause all the trouble and expect everything for nothing. It is like a timebomb waiting to go off. And it does frequently.
Anyone who wishes to come here to work and better their lives should be free to without fear of racism and hostility.
Why do you seem to have a direct link with immigrants and criminals?
The very vast majority of migrants from the EU come here with money and don't come here for handouts. I have friends from Spain, Italy, France & Germany. All of these people are immigrants, yet surprisingly enough none of them are criminals and didn't get free housing and don't get benefits off the government.
I have said that migrants who want to work should be very welcome, please point out where I have suggested that we should be welcoming those who commit crime.
I used to live in Verona for several years which is actually a well known as being something of a fascist city- I never experienced any hostility what so ever compared to some of the comments on this thread.
The very vast majority of migrants from the EU come here with money and don't come here for handouts? This shows how little you know. The vast majority come here with nothing.
How about meeting some from Romania and similar? Try saying the same then
I am not sure in which country you are living in but there are 100's of thousand of migrants from the EU who come here to work. So, you think the French, the Spanish, the Italians, the Germans & the Dutch etc all come here with nothing and want to get handouts. Are you really suggesting that the vast majority of these people come here with nothing? Are you sure about that?
As I have already said, I used to live in Italy and Romanians have been going there for many many years more than they have been coming here. I actually knew quite a few Romanians in Italy, and guess what, they were there working.
You seem to be tarring EU migrants and criminals with the same brush. As I have said, my missus is from Verona and I can assure you that we have many friends in England & Italy from Northern, Southern & Eastern Europe (including Albanians & Romanians) and none of these people have entered a country with nothing and gone to claim benefits. Luckily I choose to live in reality and not the dystopian hell hole that some sections of the media are trying to portray.
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This woman will completely shaft the City of Coventry very soon after shafting Coventry City, Coventry needs to ditch the bitch ASAP !
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