What is it with these kids. Fame gone to their heads and think they are johny big bollocks
Stress saw promising young footballer lead police on high speed pursuit
I dunno guys, maybe making teenagers rich beyond avarice before they’re done anything isn’t the best way to produce well balanced people.
This is an extremely bizarre thread. The lad has clearly had some sort of breakdown and suffers with mental health issues probably due to the pressures of being a footballer in the modern day and living away from home. Why does that mean he's an idiot?
What a sheltered, uneducated and closed-minded life you must lead if you cannot differentiate between someone who struggles with mental health issues and "idiots."
I am more than a little concerned if you have in excess of 20 years of experience of dealing with mental health and have just come out with some of the things you have done.For your information i have over 20 years of professional experience dealing with people with mh and driving at 130 mph nearly killing innocent members of the public and failing to stop is not a reason for mh. He gave his defence as not being able to cope with the stress of being a team captain. Well boo hoo and if you believe that to be justification your even more of a gullible fool than you sound
This is an extremely bizarre thread. The lad has clearly had some sort of breakdown and suffers with mental health issues probably due to the pressures of being a footballer in the modern day and living away from home. Why does that mean he's an idiot?
What a sheltered, uneducated and closed-minded life you must lead if you cannot differentiate between someone who struggles with mental health issues and "idiots."
I agree with Marcsup and so would you if one of your children was harmed by him choosing to drive at 130mphI am more than a little concerned if you have in excess of 20 years of experience of dealing with mental health and have just come out with some of the things you have done.
For your information i have over 20 years of professional experience dealing with people with mh and driving at 130 mph nearly killing innocent members of the public and failing to stop is not a reason for mh. He gave his defence as not being able to cope with the stress of being a team captain. Well boo hoo and if you believe that to be justification your even more of a gullible fool than you sound
I am not condoing what he did at all it is entirely wreckless and as you quite rightly said he could have killed someone, but to suggest "not being able to cope with the stress of being a team captain. Well boo hoo" and "driving at 130 mph nearly killing innocent members of the public and failing to stop is not a reason for mh". Mental Health, doesn't have a 'reason'. It's illogical and entirely irrational. I am extremely worried if people who work in our mental heath care system believe this. Also this isn't 'Idiot' behaviour, it's desperate behaviour. An idiot doesn't threaten to kill himself, they laugh it off and act the big man.I agree with Marcsup and so would you if one of your children was harmed by him choosing to drive at 130mph
unless it was a true suicide mission , which i doubt - then there is no defence
Would you defend somebody aimlessly shooting a gun in a shopping centre because they were stressed
Driving at 130mph is no different
Well, there's nothing wrong with Britney Spears, Justin Beiber, Lindsay Lohan or Macauly Culkin! These are all very normal teenage stars! ;-)I dunno guys, maybe making teenagers rich beyond avarice before they’re done anything isn’t the best way to produce well balanced people.
For your information i have over 20 years of professional experience dealing with people with mh and driving at 130 mph nearly killing innocent members of the public and failing to stop is not a reason for mh. He gave his defence as not being able to cope with the stress of being a team captain. Well boo hoo and if you believe that to be justification your even more of a gullible fool than you sound
There's a difference between justifying something and giving a reason for why it occurred
Except the MH issues were given as justification.
As someone who has battled MH issues including suicide ideation and a breakdown, at no point did I lose the ability to know right from wrong. It’s not a get out of jail free card. No one of sound mind commits violent crimes full stop, should they all be set free?
No but he should get any help necessary during his punishment and state of mind should be taken in to account if he was truly having MH issues. Should also be assessed for future danger to the public.Except the MH issues were given as justification.
As someone who has battled MH issues including suicide ideation and a breakdown, at no point did I lose the ability to know right from wrong. It’s not a get out of jail free card. No one of sound mind commits violent crimes full stop, should they all be set free?
No but he should get any help necessary during his punishment and state of mind should be taken in to account if he was truly having MH issues. Should also be assessed for future danger to the public.
You should check out some Robert Sapolsky!
Had a quick google. Not sure of the relevance of stress in primates to the ethics of personal responsibility TBH. Just because say judgement is impaired doesn’t mean it’s a free pass. Judgement is impaired when you’re tired or drunk or in love or all sorts of mental states. How do you decide which ones impair it *enough* for it not to be your fault.
As I say, slippery slope. I’d rather deal in solid facts of what happened and let the judge take extenuating circumstances into account during sentencing.
Manage your chimpHad a quick google. Not sure of the relevance of stress in primates to the ethics of personal responsibility TBH. Just because say judgement is impaired doesn’t mean it’s a free pass. Judgement is impaired when you’re tired or drunk or in love or all sorts of mental states. How do you decide which ones impair it *enough* for it not to be your fault.
As I say, slippery slope. I’d rather deal in solid facts of what happened and let the judge take extenuating circumstances into account during sentencing.
I guess my point was I don't think he went out to hurt anyone just completely lost his cool. Most criminals understand what they are doing but don't care!So should pretty much every criminal.
I mean the definition of a mental health issue is you don’t act like most people pretty much (This is part of why stuff like homosexuality being in the DSM was a thing). So most of not all criminals have some form of mental illness because they break the law.
It’s a fascinating discussion and I don’t pretend it’s settled but that doesn’t mean I can’t have a view. Another is poverty, if you’re raised in poverty the chances of you committing crime go way up, so should we be lenient to poorer people? Or people raised poorly? Where does nature and nurture end and personal responsibility begin?
Personally I’m for crimes being crimes but also all sentences coming with a package of help for whatever the major issues are (drugs, illiteracy, MH, lack of employability, etc)
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