Another protest? (1 Viewer)

Astute · Jan 2, 2017

I am having a problem with agreeing with anyone on how we now go forward.

I agree that we need to keep the pressure up. We need SISU to know that we will not take any more shite from them. But trying to force them out won't work. It will keep the pressure on them though. So how far do we take it?

To me we need to give it a rest for a few games. We have a good manager at our level that has just joined our club. He has been allowed to bring in players straight away. There are more to come. Some will also be leaving. I am actually feeling more confident as when TM arrived. We have someone used to this level and is changing things straight away. Protests could put players off joining us.

So what do we really want from our protests? Does everyone understand what I mean by this simple question?

Protesting won't get rid of SISU. They want and need money back. But keeping up the pressure on them will give us the chance of running us properly. A decent manager with a decent budget. And it isn't too late to make a charge up the table. There is still half the season to go. 6th place should be our aim. But not go shouting that it is or should happen. And constantly protesting would harm our chances.

I think that we should give our new manager and new players breathing space. Get behind our team. Give the away team the stick. Just like we did before we knew the troubles ahead. Start enjoying going to games again. And constantly protesting will only be enjoyable to a few.

I am not saying we should sing SISU's praises. Just we need a bit of calm now they seem to be doing the right thing. If we keep up with the protesting when they are doing the right thing why should they continue to do so? If they are going to continue to get us having a go whatever they do they might as well continue to take the piss out of us.

SkyBlueScottie · Jan 2, 2017

As effective as the protests V Sheffield Utd were, I do hope the next planned protest does not interfere with the match. Such protests need to be inventive and different each time. Otherwise the impact of them is diminished.

Skybluenutterman · Jan 2, 2017

SISU doing the right thing? You having a laugh? What have they done? Have I missed something? They'll be selling Ben S shortly. Swapped out our biggest goal threat ( that doesn't say much by the way) and we've brought in two players from our new feeder club - Burton Albion - Wooopie

Irish Sky Blue · Jan 2, 2017

Completely disagree. Probably only the protests and the stick that Venus was starting to take that promoted a new manager search. Why have things suddenly changed? Their policy hasn't. To bring in the two Burton players Sordell had to go. Now that deal may improve the team. However wouldn't it have been a better sign of intent to keep Sordell as well? It seems very likely that either Willis or Stevenson or probably both will go in the next few days or weeks. If this was wheeling and dealing fair enough. However how much of the money will Slade realistically see? Very little I would think. To me the protests are about the club far more than the team. All of the underlying issues are still here. Legal action will presumably carry on, no negotiations on the Ricoh, academy, training ground. Then there is Fisher himself and the utter contempt with which he treats his "customers" and continues with the BS. Nothing has changed as far as I can see. If things simmer down then Fisher will have been proved fight " well there were no protests last year when we were doing well".

covman · Jan 2, 2017

Astute said:
I am having a problem with agreeing with anyone on how we now go forward.

I agree that we need to keep the pressure up. We need SISU to know that we will not take any more shite from them. But trying to force them out won't work. It will keep the pressure on them though. So how far do we take it?

To me we need to give it a rest for a few games. We have a good manager at our level that has just joined our club. He has been allowed to bring in players straight away. There are more to come. Some will also be leaving. I am actually feeling more confident as when TM arrived. We have someone used to this level and is changing things straight away. Protests could put players off joining us.

So what do we really want from our protests? Does everyone understand what I mean by this simple question?

Protesting won't get rid of SISU. They want and need money back. But keeping up the pressure on them will give us the chance of running us properly. A decent manager with a decent budget. And it isn't too late to make a charge up the table. There is still half the season to go. 6th place should be our aim. But not go shouting that it is or should happen. And constantly protesting would harm our chances.

I think that we should give our new manager and new players breathing space. Get behind our team. Give the away team the stick. Just like we did before we knew the troubles ahead. Start enjoying going to games again. And constantly protesting will only be enjoyable to a few.

I am not saying we should sing SISU's praises. Just we need a bit of calm now they seem to be doing the right thing. If we keep up with the protesting when they are doing the right thing why should they continue to do so? If they are going to continue to get us having a go whatever they do they might as well continue to take the piss out of us.

I suppose you felt the same when the last nine managers came in too! Just remind me me how that ended?

Esoterica · Jan 2, 2017

Fisher will be laughing his smug head off too at how delaying the appointment of a new manager til end of December has rediverted many people's attention back to the pitch and how people are accepting of losing our best 2 players despite being second bottom of League 1 and with budget supposedly still available. While scraping out the relegation zone in time for May will leave people feeling the season was a success.

covman · Jan 2, 2017

Esoterica said:
Fisher will be laughing his smug head off too at how delaying the appointment of a new manager til end of December has rediverted many people's attention back to the pitch and how people are accepting of losing our best 2 players despite being second bottom of League 1 and with budget supposedly still available. While scraping out the relegation zone in time for May will leave people feeling the season was a success.

SISU are fantastic tacticians. Just not when it come to football.

Esoterica · Jan 2, 2017

Esoterica said:
Fisher will be laughing his smug head off too at how delaying the appointment of a new manager til end of December has rediverted many people's attention back to the pitch and how people are accepting of losing our best 2 players despite being second bottom of League 1 and with budget supposedly still available. While scraping out the relegation zone in time for May will leave people feeling the season was a success.

And I do believe that the signings we've made and are linked with are what we needed but I'm pretty sure 2 guys not getting in the Burton team, 1 not getting in the Bradford team and 2 league 2 players in Cox and Simpson are on bang average league 1 salaries and are hardly breaking the bank.

skyblueelephant76 · Jan 2, 2017

I don't see how you can unite the fans by having protests where only a select group know what is going to happen.

covman · Jan 2, 2017

Esoterica said:
And I do believe that the signings we've made and are linked with are what we needed but I'm pretty sure 2 guys not getting in the Burton team, 1 not getting in the Bradford team and 2 league 2 players in Cox and Simpson are on bang average league 1 salaries and are hardly breaking the bank.

Or will make much of an impact on the team either!

covman · Jan 2, 2017

skyblueelephant76 said:
I don't see how you can unite the fans by having protests where only a select group know what is going to happen.

Well I can understand them not wanting to make things too public. If they can be 'prepared' for they will have less impact. Hopefully when they do announce, it will be done in a way that is accessible to all.

I am very impressed with the latest protests. I loved the whistles! Lol. Well done to those involved.

Irish Sky Blue · Jan 2, 2017

The problem is that some protests may be hampered if the "authorities" know what will happen. That said, I heard on the radiio on the way down to Charlton about the pig protests. Stewards knew as they were searching people on the way in and asking if you had any pigs. (A question I never thought I would ever be asked going into a game). Some things it is hard for them to stop. I am sure Tim has heard about the 75th minute idea and will be wondering about it, probably hoping it is nothing to do directly with him. (Maybe it is Tim!). On the basis that he maybe is concerned, good!

skyblueelephant76 · Jan 2, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
The problem is that some protests may be hampered if the "authorities" know what will happen. That said, I heard on the radiio on the way down to Charlton about the pig protests. Stewards knew as they were searching people on the way in and asking if you had any pigs. (A question I never thought I would ever be asked going into a game). Some things it is hard for them to stop. I am sure Tim has heard about the 75th minute idea and will be wondering about it, probably hoping it is nothing to do directly with him. (Maybe it is Tim!). On the basis that he maybe is concerned, good!

Too me the fact that it's being kept secret suggests that it is something that will disrupt the match, hopefully whatever it is that won't be the case.

Irish Sky Blue · Jan 2, 2017

If it is peaceful and has the desired effect, so be it.

italiahorse · Jan 2, 2017

We need to find a way to let TF and Sisu know we don't want them here.
However, the match should not be the place for the protests unless it is the more subtle "Love City, Hate Sisu" chant.
TF should be cold shouldered by everyone and if we get near him make sure we tell him we don't want him or Sisu hear.
Keep it peaceful and non aggressive.
He seems to always have a collection of agreeable fans around him including I'm informed on the train home.

Irish Sky Blue · Jan 2, 2017

italiahorse said:
We need to find a way to let TF and Sisu know we don't want them here.
However, the match should not be the place for the protests unless it is the more subtle "Love City, Hate Sisu" chant.
TF should be cold shouldered by everyone and if we get near him make sure we tell him we don't want him or Sisu hear.
Keep it peaceful and non aggressive.
He seems to always have a collection of agreeable fans around him including I'm informed on the train home.

If the match isn't the place for the protests where is?

italiahorse · Jan 2, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
If the match isn't the place for the protests where is?

Before it, half time and after it.
Perhaps all protesters book where TF hangs out at them times and keep him informed all the time of our feelings.
Peacefully of course.

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Irish Sky Blue · Jan 2, 2017

italiahorse said:
Before it, half time and after it.
Perhaps all protesters book where TF hangs out at them times and keep him informed all the time of our feelings.
Peacefully of course.

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Would agree with the pressure on TF. It would depend how effective protests before, after or at half time could be.

ajsccfc · Jan 2, 2017

Skybluenutterman said:
we've brought in two players from our new feeder club - Burton Albion - Wooopie

I agree, signing championship players is exciting

withnail · Jan 2, 2017

I agree with Astute.
I don't think SISU/TF are really that bothered by the protests, in fact, from what I've seen TF appears to love it, he loves the agro, he's a troll. At Posh on Saturday he could've sat anywhere he wanted and keep his head down instead he sat in full view lapping it up.
He's a typical business man parasite, doesn't produce anything, doesn't do anything worthy and whenever I hear him talk he just comes accross as a low grade waste of Space who likes to rub people up the wrong way for fun.
But, SISU will not go, they are running us self sufficiently and waiting, Fisher said it himself. That's how it is.
London Wasps are in financial trouble and football will always make a shed load more money than rugby.
They're waiting to see what happens and from a business point of view it makes total sense.
Get that ground and cov together and anything is possible.
I think we should definitely keep up the protest pressure, things are not right, selling the training ground for housing is particularly disturbing, i want them gone as much as anyone else.
Let's protest but not to the extent where we alienate the football world and damage ourselves. The pigs were great and I hope ans suspect whatever happens at todays match will be in that style.
Let's face it, Sisu are revolting but they've hired a decent manager and from what I saw when he approached the fans after Saturday's game he also appears to be a decent bloke. He's been allowed to bring in good characters and is targetting what sound like just the kind of players we need.
Let's get behind the team and push on.

covman · Jan 2, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
Would agree with the pressure on TF. It would depend how effective protests before, after or at half time could be.

I think some of you are missing the point of a protest. it's designed to cause disruption and gain attention. I don't think doing it at half time or at the end of the game has the same effect.

We cannot pick and choose between games just because we don't want to offend a new player or because their is a scout group in the stands. The protests are about so much more than that. It's about the future of CCFC. Protests need to be loud and consistent (and legal).

WestEndAgro · Jan 2, 2017

Pirate skull and Cross bones flags at games, cheap effective demo, like Charlton have the Korea flags. And keep the whistles going

Grendel · Jan 2, 2017

covman said:
I think some of you are missing the point of a protest. it's designed to cause disruption and gain attention. I don't think doing it at half time or at the end of the game has the same effect.

We cannot pick and choose between games just because we don't want to offend a new player or because their is a scout group in the stands. The protests are about so much more than that. It's about the future of CCFC. Protests need to be loud and consistent (and legal).

What's your protest plans today then? Shout sisu out at the radio or stage a sit in of your armchair?

sw88 · Jan 2, 2017

Apparently the next protest details will be issues at 4.30pm (around the 75th minute) of today's game.

Sounds like it'll be something out of a baddiel and skinner unplanned sketch!

Surely announcing something that Kate will either mean very few be involved to make any difference? Unless it's a plane going over? If it's that, I hope it's foggy

Astute · Jan 2, 2017

covman said:
Protests need to be loud and consistent (and legal).

Yes legal.

Like I said what point is wanted from demonstrating? If it is getting rid of SISU then it won't work.

We have a chance of a new start. You don't have to love SISU to hold on and see what happens. I just don't want Slade targets to turn him down because of us. I want him to have every chance of succeeding with us.

covman · Jan 2, 2017

Astute said:
Yes legal.

Like I said what point is wanted from demonstrating? If it is getting rid of SISU then it won't work.

We have a chance of a new start. You don't have to love SISU to hold on and see what happens. I just don't want Slade targets to turn him down because of us. I want him to have every chance of succeeding with us.

I understand you want the best for the club. However I find it slightly disturbing that you think it will be the fans that will ruin Slade's chances and not SISU.

covman · Jan 2, 2017

Grendel said:
What's your protest plans today then? Shout sisu out at the radio or stage a sit in of your armchair?

My protest is I will sit at home missing something that I really want to see and support due to not wanting to give my hard earned money to some faceless shadows that will take me for a mug by taking my money whilst destroying my club.

italiahorse · Jan 2, 2017

covman said:
I think some of you are missing the point of a protest. it's designed to cause disruption and gain attention. I don't think doing it at half time or at the end of the game has the same effect.

We cannot pick and choose between games just because we don't want to offend a new player or because their is a scout group in the stands. The protests are about so much more than that. It's about the future of CCFC. Protests need to be loud and consistent (and legal).

I think you are missing the point.
Most people don't want to hear Sisu out etc when the game is in play.
Most fans agree that they want TF and Sisu out they just don't know how to do it.
Any protests need to get the support of the majority of the fans for continuation.
I have not got the answers other than wearing TF down by making him uncomfortable whenever he is in Coventry and travelling to and from London.
Perhaps publish his contact information so people can emai/text him or phone him if they are able.
He is keeping Sisu interested perhaps as he tries to save face with them. IMHO

skyblueelephant76 · Jan 2, 2017

italiahorse said:
I think you are missing the point.
Most people don't want to hear Sisu out etc when the game is in play.
Most fans agree that they want TF and Sisu out they just don't know how to do it.
Any protests need to get the support of the majority of the fans for continuation.
I have not got the answers other than wearing TF down by making him uncomfortable whenever he is in Coventry and travelling to and from London.
Perhaps publish his contact information so people can emai/text him or phone him if they are able.
He is keeping Sisu interested perhaps as he tries to save face with them. IMHO

Tim Fisher is also involved with two other businesses the details of which are easy to find on LinkedIn. If people want to put pressure on Fisher there are plenty of ways to do it without disrupting the match.

stupot07 · Jan 2, 2017

covman said:
Protests need to be loud and consistent (and legal).

Good, So not another pitch invasion.

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covman · Jan 2, 2017

italiahorse said:
I think you are missing the point.
Most people don't want to hear Sisu out etc when the game is in play.

Most people don't want to do any protesting. I don't! But unfortunately we have been backed into a corner and it is our last choice.

covman · Jan 2, 2017

stupot07 said:
Good, So not another pitch invasion.

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I agree. It did its job.

covman · Jan 2, 2017

skyblueelephant76 said:
Tim Fisher is also involved with two other businesses the details of which are easy to find on LinkedIn. If people want to put pressure on Fisher there are plenty of ways to do it without disrupting the match.

Yeah I think this is a great idea too. But it will be a combination of efforts that wear them down.

Otis · Jan 2, 2017

I don't see how you can just give the protests a rest for a few games. If you are protesting, you protest.

What you can do is to tailor the protests dependant on the situation. Therefore, as today is a new manager, new team, you can make it low key and try and cause as little disruption to the game as possible.

Something like hiring a plane to fly over with a Sisu out banner on etc. That wouldn't disrupt play, but would be noticed. I am not saying necessarily that. That would work, but there are ways you can protest without affecting the actual game.

Post game, half time or full time are obvious choices. If it is something in the 75th minute or whatever, then today could be a chorus of whistles, banners, walk out etc. I am not advocating any of those, or suggesting they will necessarily work, but just wanted to point out that there are things you can do that are more low-key and won't affect the game itself.

I don't think you can just switch off the protests like turning a tap off and on. After Sheff Utd people will be expecting a protest and the media will have an eye out for it too.

Astute · Jan 2, 2017

covman said:
I understand you want the best for the club. However I find it slightly disturbing that you think it will be the fans that will ruin Slade's chances and not SISU.

Who said would?

I don't want us to risk what could be a good thing just to have a demonstration that isn't even in front of the cameras.

Nobody has control on what happens during a demonstration. The last one where we went on the pitch went well. It was friendly. Nobody got arrested. But all it takes is one pissed up idiot (I like a good drink before a game) to do the wrong thing. Then all sympathy is lost.

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