Transfer Rumour Antoine Bernede from Lausanne (3 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Surprisingly not tbh, I didn’t want to say anything because I don’t feel like I really know enough about the bloke but I’m not fully convinced about him yet. There’s limited highlight reels of him and from what I’ve seen it seems to be only around 10 repeated clips of him scoring low strikes along the ground into a corner which obviously the keeper isn’t going to save. He’s made a few decent assists from the clips I saw and he definitely looks quick (so I’m not saying he’s shit), I just haven’t seen enough to be like “wow, he’s got everything”.

I’ve no idea what the absolute best stats are to use but someone on here recommended FotMob and I’ve been using that recently (?), if you look at his record game by game on there it’s very iffy. One game he’s rated 7.6 and the next he’s rated 5.2, coupled with what fifa say his stats are (which no one likes but I personally find it be semi-accurate), for me I’m sitting on the fence

Edit: thought this was the Konigsdorffer thread, just realised it’s the Bernede thread So the above is my view on Konigsdorffer. As for Bernede, I’m even more on the fence, can’t find many highlight reels from recent seasons but the ones I’ve seen look alright. The stats for him are a bit better than Konigsdorffer imo but again doesn’t blow me away. I’m just loving sitting on the fence atm

It does come across like the only players you'd be happy for us to be signing are establised top internationals as everyone else has some sort of fault in their game.

Well, that's what we're going to get. We're a second tier team without an endless pot of money to spend.The people we're able to sign are going to have rough edges and faults in their game - that's just the way it is.

 

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[skybluecam]

coupled with what fifa say his stats are (which no one likes but I personally find it be semi-accurate)

Dearie me

 

[procdoc]

It does come across like the only players you'd be happy for us to be signing are establised top internationals as everyone else has some sort of fault in their game.

Well, that's what we're going to get. We're a second tier team without an endless pot of money to spend.The people we're able to sign are going to have rough edges and faults in their game - that's just the way it is.

I just think he needs to temper his expectations. If it was so easy finding hidden gems across the world every club would be doing it. You can have the best scouting system ever but as you say we have a limited budget

 

[Flying Fokker]

Dearie me

 

[BlueSkiesForever]

It does come across like the only players you'd be happy for us to be signing are establised top internationals as everyone else has some sort of fault in their game.

Well, that's what we're going to get. We're a second tier team without an endless pot of money to spend.The people we're able to sign are going to have rough edges and faults in their game - that's just the way it is.

Not sure if you read the whole post but not once did I say he wasn’t good enough, I merely suggested that I don’t feel we have enough evidence to get overly excited about him. It’s literally as simple as that, I’m not saying he’s awful, I’m not saying he’s amazing, I’m saying where is the proof that he’s exactly what we want? Maybe he is what we want, and in that regard I trust our scouts, but to say he’s currently got the required talent and skill to fit into our squad when we have limited evidence to go on is a ridiculous position to hold (not saying you’re saying that, I’m just suggesting that would be the natural opposing view to hold).

It seems like there’s a large swathe of people on here that can’t hold two opposing opinions at the same time, it’s all or nothing, people can’t seem to hold their hands up and ask questions when they’re unsure or be seen as not knowing or not having a strong opinion.

I assume none of us, maybe apart from T&B, had heard of this guy until yesterday, let’s not pretend we know right or wrong apart every footballer going, whilst at the same time berating forum members for sitting on the fence.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Not sure if you read the whole post but not once did I say he wasn’t good enough, I merely suggested that I don’t feel we have enough evidence to get overly excited about him. It’s literally as simple as that, I’m not saying he’s awful, I’m not saying he’s amazing, I’m saying where is the proof that he’s exactly what we want?

Maybe he is what we, and in that regard I trust our scouts, but to say he’s currently got the required talent and skill to fit into our squad when we have limited evidence to go on is a ridiculous position to hold. It seems like there’s a large swathe of people on here that can’t hold two opposing opinions at the same time, it’s all or nothing, people can’t seem to hold their hands up and ask questions when they’re unsure or be seen as not knowing or not having a strong opinion.

I assume none of us, maybe apart from T&B, had heard of this guy until yesterday, let’s not pretend we know right or wrong apart every footballer going, whilst at the same time berating forum members for sitting on the fence.

Stop using we and use I instead as you seem to be in the very small minority who didn't think our scouting system can be trusted to deliver decent players .
Sakamoto, Torp ,MvE , Thomas , Rodriguez and now Dovin are examples of the work our scouting network are doing .

 

[BlueSkiesForever]

Stop using we and use I instead as you seem to be in the very small minority who didn't think our scouting system can be trusted to deliver decent players .
Sakamoto, Torp ,MvE , Thomas , Rodriguez and now Dovin are examples of the work our scouting network are doing .

I use “we” in reference to everyone commenting or viewing this thread, not some clique of people that have similar views to mine.

 

[skybluecam]

Not sure if you read the whole post but not once did I say he wasn’t good enough, I merely suggested that I don’t feel we have enough evidence to get overly excited about him. It’s literally as simple as that, I’m not saying he’s awful, I’m not saying he’s amazing, I’m saying where is the proof that he’s exactly what we want? Maybe he is what we want, and in that regard I trust our scouts, but to say he’s currently got the required talent and skill to fit into our squad when we have limited evidence to go on is a ridiculous position to hold (not saying you’re saying that, I’m just suggesting that would be the natural opposing view to hold).

It seems like there’s a large swathe of people on here that can’t hold two opposing opinions at the same time, it’s all or nothing, people can’t seem to hold their hands up and ask questions when they’re unsure or be seen as not knowing or not having a strong opinion.

I assume none of us, maybe apart from T&B, had heard of this guy until yesterday, let’s not pretend we know right or wrong apart every footballer going, whilst at the same time berating forum members for sitting on the fence.

 

[BlueSkiesForever]

Dearie me

I know it’s some sort of banned, forbidden thing on here but genuinely I think their stats are about 70-80% accurate for the more well known players in our squad, therefore I can only assume it applies to other team’s players.

People use flippant comments with regard to fifa stats but when there’s limited data to go on it gives you a very rough, quick overview of a player. Clearly professional scouts aren’t going to use it but I’m obviously not one and this a forum so a quick overview of a player is all that’s required. At the end of the day not one single opinion of ours matters to what happens within the team, I’m happy to quickly use fifa to form a poor, approximate view of a player I know nothing about.

 

[hill83]

Not sure if you read the whole post but not once did I say he wasn’t good enough, I merely suggested that I don’t feel we have enough evidence to get overly excited about him. It’s literally as simple as that, I’m not saying he’s awful, I’m not saying he’s amazing, I’m saying where is the proof that he’s exactly what we want? Maybe he is what we want, and in that regard I trust our scouts, but to say he’s currently got the required talent and skill to fit into our squad when we have limited evidence to go on is a ridiculous position to hold (not saying you’re saying that, I’m just suggesting that would be the natural opposing view to hold).

It seems like there’s a large swathe of people on here that can’t hold two opposing opinions at the same time, it’s all or nothing, people can’t seem to hold their hands up and ask questions when they’re unsure or be seen as not knowing or not having a strong opinion.

I assume none of us, maybe apart from T&B, had heard of this guy until yesterday, let’s not pretend we know right or wrong apart every footballer going, whilst at the same time berating forum members for sitting on the fence.

 

[mrfr]

So you think you can read into statistics which by your generous admission might be 30% out. Wild. If Milan van Ewijk was 30% better he’d be a world beater. If Ellis Simms was 30% worse he’d be playing in the conference. I don’t think you understand how maths, or football, work.

 

[procdoc]

I know it’s some sort of banned, forbidden thing on here but genuinely I think their stats are about 70-80% accurate for the more well known players in our squad, therefore I can only assume it applies to other team’s players.

People use flippant comments with regard to fifa stats but when there’s limited data to go on it gives you a very rough, quick overview of a player. Clearly professional scouts aren’t going to use it but I’m obviously not one and this a forum so a quick overview of a player is all that’s required. At the end of the day not one single opinion of ours matters to what happens within the team, I’m happy to quickly use fifa to form a poor, approximate view of a player I know nothing about.

Maybe let the professional scouts do their job of identifying players that fit our budget and also buy into our vision as a club. None of us know if he is amazing but I’m sure he’s good if we are indeed considering him

 

[BlueSkiesForever]

Maybe let the professional scouts do their job of identifying players that fit our budget and also buy into our vision as a club. None of us know if he is amazing but I’m sure he’s good if we are indeed considering him

Yeah fair enough, I’m not saying what’s right or wrong, I’m just saying I’m undecided. The scouts know better than all of us, I’m just airing my voice on a forum that matters not one jot in the outcome of anything related to the club

 

[BlueSkiesForever]

So you think you can read into statistics which by your generous admission might be 30% out. Wild. If Milan van Ewijk was 30% better he’d be a world beater. If Ellis Simms was 30% worse he’d be playing in the conference. I don’t think you understand how maths, or football, work.

Nope, not saying you can read anything into them, or how good a player is going to be, just that you can get a feel what a player’s best attributes currently are. If he’s got 93 sprint speed, like MVE, then you know he’s lightning quick. If he’s got around 80 strength then you know he’s probably going to hold the ball up well. It’s only a rough guess, it’s clearly not important or professional in any regard.

 

[TomRad85]

Yeah fair enough, I’m not saying what’s right or wrong, I’m just saying I’m undecided. The scouts know better than all of us, I’m just airing my voice on a forum that matters not one jot in the outcome of anything related to the club

I don't understand... I thought you wanted us to go after overseas players very few of us have heard of? Now we get linked to one you say you don't have enough information on the player?

 

[BlueSkiesForever]

I don't understand... I thought you wanted us to go after overseas players very few of us have heard of? Now we get linked to one you say you don't have enough information on the player?

Not having a go at you Tom, I just don’t get what’s wrong with that? I think there’s a bigger pool of players to look at overseas so the number of good players should theoretically be higher (I assume?), at the same time I can’t find info on Bernede to make a solid judgement on him, there’s very few highlight reels to look at for instance.

I’m all for us signing overseas players, I just don’t know enough about this guy to give an opinion either way. I think sitting on the fence is perfectly fine tbh.

 

[Monty]

I think the issue been missed here is that the Saudi League are throwing so much money around, the price of your "average" player both domestically and Internationally is rising, so finding a gem within our price range is more and more difficult

 

[Deity]

I think the issue been missed here is that the Saudi League are throwing so much money around, the price of your "average" player both domestically and Internationally is rising, so finding a gem within our price range is more and more difficult

I don’t think that has filtered down to our target market to be honest. It might in the future but the biggest issue with player inflation remains the Premier League clubs who are the highest payers in Europe …

 

[Evo1883]

Not having a go at you Tom, I just don’t get what’s wrong with that? I think there’s a bigger pool of players to look at overseas so the number of good players should theoretically be higher (I assume?), at the same time I can’t find info on Bernede to make a solid judgement on him, there’s very few highlight reels to look at for instance.

I’m all for us signing overseas players, I just don’t know enough about this guy to give an opinion either way. I think sitting on the fence is perfectly fine tbh.

You aint sitting on no fence

 

[TomRad85]

Not having a go at you Tom, I just don’t get what’s wrong with that? I think there’s a bigger pool of players to look at overseas so the number of good players should theoretically be higher (I assume?), at the same time I can’t find info on Bernede to make a solid judgement on him, there’s very few highlight reels to look at for instance.

I’m all for us signing overseas players, I just don’t know enough about this guy to give an opinion either way. I think sitting on the fence is perfectly fine tbh.

You aren't going to know a shit load about any of the overseas players we'd go for. You just have to trust the scouting team.

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[BlueSkiesForever]

You aren't going to know a shit load about any of the overseas players we'd go for. You just have to trust the scouting team.

Yeah fair, it’s just that some players that have been rumoured in the past have had a bit more “talk” around them, there’s more stats, views on other forums, comments on videos and more highlight reels to get a feel for the particular player. Genuinely got nothing against this Bernede guy though, just don’t know what to expect tbh.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Not sure if you read the whole post but not once did I say he wasn’t good enough, I merely suggested that I don’t feel we have enough evidence to get overly excited about him. It’s literally as simple as that, I’m not saying he’s awful, I’m not saying he’s amazing, I’m saying where is the proof that he’s exactly what we want? Maybe he is what we want, and in that regard I trust our scouts, but to say he’s currently got the required talent and skill to fit into our squad when we have limited evidence to go on is a ridiculous position to hold (not saying you’re saying that, I’m just suggesting that would be the natural opposing view to hold).

It seems like there’s a large swathe of people on here that can’t hold two opposing opinions at the same time, it’s all or nothing, people can’t seem to hold their hands up and ask questions when they’re unsure or be seen as not knowing or not having a strong opinion.

I assume none of us, maybe apart from T&B, had heard of this guy until yesterday, let’s not pretend we know right or wrong apart every footballer going, whilst at the same time berating forum members for sitting on the fence.

Fair enough, but my reply was more to do with your responses over pretty much all the players we're linked with -there's always something wrong and a reason we shouldn't be signing them and looking elsewhere.

As has been mentioned you spent quite a lot of time saying we should be using our scouting network to unearth some affordable under the radar gems in foreign leagues, which is what this link would be looking to be. But instead it's 'we don't know enough about them to get excited'. How are we supposed to know enough about them if they're under the radar?

You remind me of Mowbray in the pre-season we hardly signed anyone cos we were waiting for those perfect targets to appear. They didn't. I understand you want us to sign the best quality players we can with the budget we've got - we all want that - but to do so we're going to have to take some risks.

 

[BlueSkiesForever]

Fair enough, but my reply was more to do with your responses over pretty much all the players we're linked with -there's always something wrong and a reason we shouldn't be signing them and looking elsewhere.

As has been mentioned you spent quite a lot of time saying we should be using our scouting network to unearth some affordable under the radar gems in foreign leagues, which is what this link would be looking to be. But instead it's 'we don't know enough about them to get excited'. How are we supposed to know enough about them if they're under the radar?

You remind me of Mowbray in the pre-season we hardly signed anyone cos we were waiting for those perfect targets to appear. They didn't. I understand you want us to sign the best quality players we can with the budget we've got - we all want that - but to do so we're going to have to take some risks.

I know what you mean but I just think we’re coming at it from different points of view. I know it looks like I’m dismissing rumoured players left, right and centre but it’s more that I’m saying “I don’t know for certain if he’s the right player”, rather than saying “he’s shit and is the wrong player for us”.

Certain players, like Browne for example, I just felt didn’t suit our supposed model of buying young and training up to sell on for profit, and as a Sheaf back up I thought we could do better. With positions like back up wingers or back up RBs etc I don’t think it’s quite as vital as central midfield for instance, so my opinion is maybe not as strong in those examples.

 

[shmmeee]

This lad will be quality if we get him. Just got the vibes.

 

[Batu1969]

 

[PlasticPigsAtTheValley]

What ever happened to this rumour?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The same as all the other rumours, we need someone to be sold for someone to arrive for a fee.