skybluetony176
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Wasn't that part of sisu's argument against ACL? ACL were conspiring behind their back and thats not fair.
I may be thick but surely ACL could not work on a plan with SISU whilst SISU also pursue another plan to take over ACL.
I may be thick but surely ACL could not work on a plan with SISU whilst SISU also pursue another plan to take over ACL.
What he is saying is after that absolute kicking in the JR. The appeal if allowed is destined to lose. Yet SISU will continue with it. You need to ask yourself why?
I think this decision was a formality. Judge slams Sisu and refuses leave to appeal in High Court and now refuses request for appeal basically. Got to go through the legal process step-by-step.
Not that I think that this is a good thing but I'm not surprised about the appeal and I'd think the same way if the decision in the JR had been completely reversed and it was the council having to appeal. The judgment was so damning and some of the language so loaded that it's almost an invitation to appeal. As fans we'd probably be better off if there had been a 'softer' decision and so it would have been easier not to appeal. Then again, I've heard enough sources say either side would have appealed if they'd lost.
Taking a wider view, it is probably in Sisu's overall business-reputation interests to keep hammering away. Every time they come up against another business rival their reputation for, er, battering people in court will work in their favour. Again, not making comment on the morality etc. of this but I would have hoped that with the popularity of programmes like The Apprentice & Dragons Den, even the most business illiterate people would have an understanding that the world of commerce isn't all lollipops, sugar plums and fluffy bunnies.
#CynicalGit
he isn't saying that though because I agree believing that to be the case is a reasonable position, he said earlier that sisu wanted to lose the JR and he said now they want to drag it out and the only way to do that is by losing, there is no way thats true.
I suspect you are as wide of the mark as is possible.
In 21 days they will lodge an appeal and failing that will go to the Supreme Court.
When that fails its an appeal to the European Commission.
Its pre-planned trench warfare and its going to be very long and drawn out.
The're continuing with it because its the only light at the end of the tunnel.What he is saying is after that absolute kicking in the JR. The appeal if allowed is destined to lose. Yet SISU will continue with it. You need to ask yourself why?
No and I don't see why there still cannot be talks and as part of ACL's negotiation they have a condition to drop the court case.
I would expect them to do so as part of a condition to return to the Ricoh. There is no reason why a discussion cannot take place while an appeal is pending.
It is more wishful thinking than anything else. Maybe I'm naive in thinking that perhaps a bit of common sense will prevail. They know full well that a return to the Ricoh is dependent on them dropping all legal action and have come out and stated that they are committed to a return on a couple of occasions. ACL hold the cards now and SISU appear to be be shifting their attention back to Coventry. Surely they now know they are beaten
I suspect you are as wide of the mark as is possible.
In 21 days they will lodge an appeal and failing that will go to the Supreme Court.
When that fails its an appeal to the European Commission.
Its pre-planned trench warfare and its going to be very long and drawn out.
So if they won they would have contested the decisionointlaugh:
"The club’s owners could now apply directly to the Court of Appeal within the next 21 days"
3 weeks !!!
The would have loved nothing more than win the JR. However they had a contingency plan in place for losing it. Drag it out as long as possible to use it as a bargaining chip. It is now a 10 of hearts instead of the Ace it would have been if they won.
yes it's quite possibly the case, its certainly hard to belive that sisu think they can now win the JR, I don't know weather they are dragging it out as a bargaining chip though or if they are still attempting to distress ACL and cause the council to give up fighting,
The case presented was always going to lose. More significantly if they had won what would they have achieved? It's clearly in their interests to keep ACL in the court room and create uncertainty.
I'm not approving it but it is what it is.
yes it's quite possibly the case, its certainly hard to belive that sisu think they can now win the JR, I don't know weather they are dragging it out as a bargaining chip though or if they are still attempting to distress ACL and cause the council to give up fighting,
If they go as far as the EU the decision will be as far reaching as Bosman.. and this will take 3 years or more..
The Latter undoubtedly.
To what end?The case presented was always going to lose. More significantly if they had won what would they have achieved? It's clearly in their interests to keep ACL in the court room and create uncertainty.
I'm not approving it but it is what it is.
The case presented was always going to lose. More significantly if they had won what would they have achieved? It's clearly in their interests to keep ACL in the court room and create uncertainty.
I'm not approving it but it is what it is.
Didn't you say Sisu had a good case and had a chance? Sure you did such is your vendetta against ccc.
How are they beaten?
They haven't moved one inch from their original demands (well they have, they've moved further away).
Nothing has happened so far that Sisu wouldn't have had a contingency plan for. Where this idea that they're on the ropes comes from I'm not sure, I can only guess wishful thinking.
No and I don't see why there still cannot be talks and as part of ACL's negotiation they have a condition to drop the court case.
Didn't you say Sisu had a good case and had a chance? Sure you did such is your vendetta against ccc.
It'll have to get through the Court of Appeal and possibly the Supreme Court first. Neither is obliged to refer to the European courts unless the law isn't clear, as I understand it. The Supreme court isn't obliged to take the case either - losing at court doesn't automatically give you the right to try again at the next level. You'll have to show you've got a case.
http://www.richardbuxton.co.uk/v3.0/node/15
Either way financial suicide for SISU, I'd say. I can't see that they'll be able to return to the Ricoh for as long as it all takes, if they really do head down this road.
Given the battering they've just had, I can't see that the Court of Appeal will give them much time anyway, but then who can really tell what will happen in court. The one thing that is clear is that it makes this talk of "reconciliation" worthless, imho.
That does give a little hope, they need to apply to appeal within 3 weeks, then a decision about weather its allowed will be handed down on paper, if they aren't allowed to appeal, they can appeal that decision within a week and then a decision will be given at an oral hearing, if they are told no there they can't even go to the court of appeal let alone the supreme court or further. Am I reading that correctly?
Here is the short version;
Sisu's appeal is hopeless, costly and unhelpful.
Not to sisu it isn't.
To suggest that SISU went to court with the intention of losing the case is ludicrous. If they were so determined to lose, why did they try to have so much additional evidence entered just before the case started. Why pay for an army of expensive barristers when one cheap one would have done?
I don't doubt they've got options planned in case they failed - but let's not overdo it. They're under the cosh now. They're going to have to pay ACL something via the FL, and unless they drop the court case they're not coming back to the Ricoh. Additionally if they don't drop the court case, then all of the spin regarding "reconciliation" will be shown as just that, and all of the recent efforts to convince fans that they've changed will have been wasted.
In the meantime attendances are far below what they expected at Sixfields, and the FL, inept as they are must surely eventually tire at the continued failure to show progress at building a new stadium. There's a million-pound bond and a golden share riding on their ability to keep that bluff running.
SISU might be half-way smart, but they are not where they hoped to be at this point, I'd venture.
But it is to Coventry City Football Club!
But it is to Coventry City Football Club!
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