Grendel
Well-Known Member
The pressure needs to be applied to wasps and no one else
What must happen is we, the supporters, don’t take our eyes off the ball and keep pressing MPs, owner, council for a solution. We don’t know yet the sisu stance and therefore can only assume they will continue as they have done. It is a frustrating and horrible situation for us fans who can only speak out on sites like this one, local and national media, we should intensify this, unite and atleast get a position of where we are at.
Who is the debt too ?Better arrangements, like what? Who is going to want to buy into debt?
Not sisu also ?The pressure needs to be applied to wasps and no one else
The pressure needs to be applied to wasps and no one else
Not sisu also ?
That’s a view but I’d say this here and now imo no way will Wasps kick us out, going on a lot you have said and I see the points booting us out would rebound massively on Wasps, they know that.For what? In the end wasps own the ground and it’s only them who present clear and present danger to the club
The fact is the greater success the club attains on the pitch the less our prospects of staying
The wasps board have a delusional thought process that they are a very big fish in the sporting world.
They offered the club a deal for 10 years when Anderson was here that was just a ridiculous arrangement. Court cases are irrelevant to them - it’s a smokescreen disguising their true intent.
Like they did this season when there was legal action?If it’s a case of Wasps carrying out their threat of not negotiating with an organisation that is dragging their name through the courts then I don’t think it will be much of a PR disaster at all for them. However if the court action is dropped and they refuse to negotiate it would be.
Like they did this season when there was legal action?
It does depend on the pr, exactly the same as the higgs. Was there legal action against them then too?
Of course.I get the impression they’re sticking to their word.
Which is exactly why Grendel is correct to say the pressure needs to be applied to Wasps.I get the impression they’re sticking to their word.
I agree. tbh it's the same bluster as last year, and it'll end up the same result, I expect.imo no way will Wasps kick us out
Which is exactly why Grendel is correct to say the pressure needs to be applied to Wasps.
You can see the PR already cranking up and clearly it works as we've got people posting in this thread already defending Wasps.
Why not put pressure on everybody?Why not put pressure on the owners of our own club to stop the legal action?
Why not put pressure on everybody?
Why not put pressure on everybody?
Why not put pressure on the owners of our own club to stop the legal action?
It’s irrelevant
It’s irrelevant
It’s the complete opposite of that.
Perhaps all the more reason to stop legals and call their bluff?It isn’t as you are believing the wasps stance which is not true.
Perhaps all the more reason to stop legals and call their bluff?
It isn’t as you are believing the wasps stance which is not true.
The bottom line is if wasps remain here the football club has no medium to long term future in Coventry
tbf, I wouldn't believe anything that comes from the mouths of *any* of them.Ultimately that is what it comes down to and it's shocking so many fail to realise that and still fall for the PR that gets churned out and spout about it being great business sense for them.
Well there will not be a bluff will there. They’ll offer the outrageous deal that they’ve already put on the table and say that details are confidential
The club will say it’s financial unviable and the majority will say it’s akk the club’s fault
It’s also probably illegal isn’t it? Yes they can drop legal appeals but the day the club signed any deal why can’t they resume legal action? I really can’t see how a clause can be inserted saying no future legal action.
The bottom line is if wasps remain here the football club has no medium to long term future in Coventry
Because at the moment my primary concern is where we are going to play next season and the route to resolve that issue is through Wasps, unless people believe there is a viable option other than the Ricoh.Why not put pressure on the owners of our own club to stop the legal action?
And you and the person who has given you a like are prepared to do that are you?Because at the moment my primary concern is where we are going to play next season and the route to resolve that issue is through Wasps, unless people believe there is a viable option other than the Ricoh.
As a fan base there is a limited resource, be it the amount of time people will put into the off the field situation, the cost of any action or pretty much any other metric you can think off. Given there is a finite resource it is best concentrated on areas that can create the desired outcome.
CCFC - think by now everyone is aware that those running the club on a day to day basis are powerless with regard to the legal action.
Therefore no amount of protesting, marches with coffins to the ground, throwing things on the pitch, pitch invasions or NOPM campaigns are going to make the slightest difference.
SISU - they couldn't care less to the extent it wouldn't bother them if the club went out of business, in fact you can make an argument that the club ceasing to exist could increase any claim they make for damages. Besides which there is no effective way to protest them.
Nothing related to CCFC will bother them so you'd have to target them directly. Protesting at their offices does nothing.
Potentially targeting their clients could work but nobody knows who they are and even if they did the nature of their business is high risk high reward so pointing out to their clients they took a risk that didn't pay off won't do any good.
CCC - they could be pressured over their assurances the sale to Wasps wouldn't impact CCFC but that really needs to be done by local media as my experience is any questions are met with them hiding behind 'commercially confidential'.
Wasps - they are the ones refusing to talk to the club. It is clear 'can't talk while there is legal action ongoing' is rubbish. They knew there was ongoing legal action when they have in the past held advanced discussions on a long term deal before walking away and on another occasion agreed a multi year deal before withdrawing it, they also have agreed a deal while the legals have been ongoing.
Besides that they have shown themselves to be vulnerable to protests. The slightest whisper of a protest and they go in to overdrive on forums such as this trying to extinguish the possibility.
So you have the one group who can actually make a difference being the one that is most responsive to any action. Seems to me an obvious choice where you concentrate efforts.
If Wasps thought their fans would be greeted every week with a couple of hundred CCFC fans protesting their refusal to talk, engaging with Wasps fans asking them to also apply pressure, protesting in the ground at TV games and the media coverage that resulted I am certain they would very quickly be back to the table.
Because at the moment my primary concern is where we are going to play next season and the route to resolve that issue is through Wasps, unless people believe there is a viable option other than the Ricoh.
As a fan base there is a limited resource, be it the amount of time people will put into the off the field situation, the cost of any action or pretty much any other metric you can think off. Given there is a finite resource it is best concentrated on areas that can create the desired outcome.
CCFC - think by now everyone is aware that those running the club on a day to day basis are powerless with regard to the legal action.
Therefore no amount of protesting, marches with coffins to the ground, throwing things on the pitch, pitch invasions or NOPM campaigns are going to make the slightest difference.
SISU - they couldn't care less to the extent it wouldn't bother them if the club went out of business, in fact you can make an argument that the club ceasing to exist could increase any claim they make for damages. Besides which there is no effective way to protest them.
Nothing related to CCFC will bother them so you'd have to target them directly. Protesting at their offices does nothing.
Potentially targeting their clients could work but nobody knows who they are and even if they did the nature of their business is high risk high reward so pointing out to their clients they took a risk that didn't pay off won't do any good.
CCC - they could be pressured over their assurances the sale to Wasps wouldn't impact CCFC but that really needs to be done by local media as my experience is any questions are met with them hiding behind 'commercially confidential'.
Wasps - they are the ones refusing to talk to the club. It is clear 'can't talk while there is legal action ongoing' is rubbish. They knew there was ongoing legal action when they have in the past held advanced discussions on a long term deal before walking away and on another occasion agreed a multi year deal before withdrawing it, they also have agreed a deal while the legals have been ongoing.
Besides that they have shown themselves to be vulnerable to protests. The slightest whisper of a protest and they go in to overdrive on forums such as this trying to extinguish the possibility.
So you have the one group who can actually make a difference being the one that is most responsive to any action. Seems to me an obvious choice where you concentrate efforts.
If Wasps thought their fans would be greeted every week with a couple of hundred CCFC fans protesting their refusal to talk, engaging with Wasps fans asking them to also apply pressure, protesting in the ground at TV games and the media coverage that resulted I am certain they would very quickly be back to the table.
Then of course, we have no league club.If the EFL know one of it’s members are acting in the way you’ve described above (plenty are, not just SISU), then they should have to the power to remove the Golden Share.
Then of course, we have no league club.
A lot of what you’ve written is spot on. The most frustrating thing is I know it, you know it, most other fans know it and the EFL know it but they’re powerless to do anything about it. If the EFL know one of it’s members are acting in the way you’ve described above (plenty are, not just SISU), then they should have to the power to remove the Golden Share.
As it stands right now we wouldn’t have. Things would have to change. Have some kind of system like Ofsted use when a school is being poorly ran. Send someone in to get it running properly, achieve the aim and find new owners who are willing to pay the figure set by an independent valuer. No points deductions or fines. Just remove the catalyst that’s causing the problem. If that had happened in the past there would be two or three clubs that would probably still be in the EFL now.
You can shout to the EFL all you like to try and get them to hand the club over to the Trust / Fans / Hoffman but it really isn't going to happen. The minute they do that they open up a massive can of worms with football as a whole and would get absolutely wiped out with legal action.
Just because the fans are unhappy, they can't then go in and start trying to remove things that people have bought and put money into. At the moment SISU / CCFC would just say "the club is running self sufficient, it isn't relying on money being pumped in to run" and would make out it is a perfect example. Obviously it isn't going to be in the Premier League any time soon because of that though.
Aside from the legal action, take a step back and look at it from the EFL point of view. Is it really being poorly ran at the minute? It isn't leaking money, academy doing well, promotion / checkatrade and holding it's own in League 1.
(That's not saying it is because of SISU before anybody says that, just as a general view of CCFC. I fully understand things like the academy are down to the people there etc etc).
The issue is with money being spent at football clubs that the club doesn't have. I doubt Leyton Orient fans were bothered when they were paying people 5 figures a week in the lower leagues. It all ends up going to shit.
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