Are the fans partially to blame?? (1 Viewer)

[cloughie]

I'd say it is a factor, we have lost out on the income, but the mismanagement of the club for decades has been the crux of the problem, ACL aren't necessarily to blame as it was McGinnity and co. who signed it, Richardson came up with the idea. SISU have played their part in this sorry story but we were prophetically warned by Alki David indirectly when he wished the new owners 'good luck' (meaning to me, that, they were fucked), you could argue the people that let SISU in were at fault. Now, I'd say ACL are pushing the club to brink (as well as SISU, both do not have the club at heart imo), threatening liquidation, admin, and generally not helping the club as well as they could. I do think the council took advantage of CCFC in their time of need as I do think they could've helped us out financially like they have with ACL.



This is a total farce, and I can't wait till the club finishes this chapter.



There's so many factors for the demise of our beloved club, you can't particularly pick one factor, only a main factor.

Agree with most of this

 

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[stupot07]

Add in Kenilworth, Rugby, Leamington, Nuneaton etc. Huge, huge catchment area. It does make you wonder what CCFC's marketing department has been up to over the decades. There should be a big outreach.

Leonard Brody may have been a nutter, but at least he threw ideas out there. We need more of that, no matter how daft. Funfairs at the ground, teaming up with cinemas to throw in free tickets with matchday tickets, karaoke halftime entertainment, more online engagement and free content for fans - anything, really.

Yep, I would bet at least a third of the home crowd is made up of fans from outside Coventry.

 

[cloughie]

Leeds, Norwich, Southampton and many other did....

Yes and they were winning at home and near the top of the league, success breads success and failure breads .............?

 

[Spencer]

Add in Kenilworth, Rugby, Leamington, Nuneaton etc. Huge, huge catchment area. It does make you wonder what CCFC's marketing department has been up to over the decades. There should be a big outreach.

Leonard Brody may have been a nutter, but at least he threw ideas out there. We need more of that, no matter how daft. Funfairs at the ground, teaming up with cinemas to throw in free tickets with matchday tickets, karaoke halftime entertainment, more online engagement and free content for fans - anything, really.

Very true. I don't think we try to get the kids early enough - get them dreaming of scoring for ccfc at wembley before they start dreaming of scoring for mufc.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Agree with most of this

See, I'm not SISU_Taylor (what valiant coined) I'm strictly, SB_T!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well it remains so that were we averaging 30k a week our turnover would be astronomical compared to anyone else in the division-but we have only done so once since moving to the Ricoh. At this stage in the game people probably aren't even thinking about on pitch matters, and more about the immediate survival of the club.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'd say it is a factor, we have lost out on the income, but the mismanagement of the club for decades has been the crux of the problem, ACL aren't necessarily to blame as it was McGinnity and co. who signed it, Richardson came up with the idea. SISU have played their part in this sorry story but we were prophetically warned by Alki David indirectly when he wished the new owners 'good luck' (meaning to me, that, they were fucked), you could argue the people that let SISU in were at fault. Now, I'd say ACL are pushing the club to brink (as well as SISU, both do not have the club at heart imo), threatening liquidation, admin, and generally not helping the club as well as they could. I do think the council took advantage of CCFC in their time of need as I do think they could've helped us out financially like they have with ACL.

This is a total farce, and I can't wait till the club finishes this chapter.

There's so many factors for the demise of our beloved club, you can't particularly pick one factor, only a main factor.

Yes you can and his name is Bryan Richardson. This saga can all ultimately be traced back to him-was it a mistake to want to build a new ground? Not necessarily. Was it a mistake to plough the club into obscene debt which would force us to sell off our interest in said ground and lumber ourselves with a high rent? Yes, and those were the consequences of his actions which are being felt today.

 

[the rumpo kid]

If that's your view go and support one of the prem teams.....

im a city supporter first last and always. but your original statment was it was fans fault for not not going to the games.
i know people who have had season tickets for years and have stopped going becaurse they cant bear seeing there club in such a state.
peoplr wont pay for crap. they wont pay in supermarket, they wont pay in a furniture store, people want somthing for there money, and sucsseive boards have failed the supporters badly. the fans are treated poorly by the club, but are expected to keep turning up and handing over there cash. and the people of coventry wont have that.
its only SUCKERS like you and me who cant tear ourselves away.
and ive been going to city since 1965 mate. so telling me to go and support a prem team is just a bit cheeky son.

 

[Steve.B50]

Same here.
City till I die.

 

[Black6Osprey]

Same here.
City till I die.

You'd better watch out, Tim Fisher is standing behind you with a gun.

 

[Flying Fokker]

It's definitely a factor but your sums are way out. If you consider the average price of a ticket when considering concessions, adults and season tickets is probably about £15-16 per game.

We averaged approx 17.3k in 2009/10 season £15 x 17500 x 23 matches is £5,968,500
This season we average 11k at home £15 x11000 x 23 is £3,795,000

Less than that IMO. Nearer 13 quid.

 

[coundonskyblue]

Using populations is not always accurate though, but if you do then you need to look at the population of the City as a whole, not just whats in its boundaries. I.e Coventry is often said to have a population of 300k, however this does not include places such as Binley Woods and Exhall, places which are certainly part of Coventry, just not part of the administrative area.

When you look at the populations of city areas, Coventry isn't as big as you would think:

1 Greater London Urban Area 8,278,251
2 Birmingham and Black Country Urban Area 2,284,093
3 Greater Manchester Urban Area 2,240,230
4 Leeds/Bradford Urban Area 1,499,465
5 Greater Glasgow 1,199,629
6 Tyneside 879,996
7 Liverpool Urban Area 816,216
8 Nottingham Urban Area 666,358
9 Sheffield Urban Area 640,720
10 Belfast Metropolitan Urban Area 579,554[8]
11 Bristol Urban Area 551,066
12 Brighton/Worthing/Littlehampton 461,181
13 Portsmouth Urban Area 442,252
14 Leicester Urban Area 441,213
15 Edinburgh 420,893
16 Bournemouth Urban Area 383,713
17 Reading/Wokingham Urban Area 369,804
18 Teesside 365,323
19 The Potteries Urban Area 362,403
20 Coventry Urban Area 336,452
21 Cardiff Urban Area 327,706
22 Birkenhead Urban Area 319,675
23 Southampton Urban Area 304,400
24 Kingston upon Hull 301,416
25 Swansea Urban Area 270,506
26 Southend Urban Area 269,415
27 Preston Urban Area 264,601
28 Blackpool Urban Area 261,088
29 Plymouth 243,795
30 Aldershot Urban Area 243,344
31 Derby Urban Area 236,738
32 Luton/Dunstable Urban Area 236,318
33 Medway Towns Urban Area 231,659
34 Dearne Valley Urban Area 207,726

 

[Flying Fokker]

Yes and they were winning at home and near the top of the league, success breads success and failure breads .............?

Hovis is ok. My favourite is granary. I'm at that age.

 

[stupot07]

You need to add 550k for Warwickshire to that as that's pretty much the catchment area.

 

[coundonskyblue]

You need to add 550k for Warwickshire to that as that's pretty much the catchment area.

Well then I will have to do much the same for everywhere then won't I?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Coundon-Worthing is 10 miles away from Brighton and Littlehampton is 20 miles away, so how they are counted as one conurbation I have no idea.

 

[stupot07]

Less than that IMO. Nearer 13 quid.

Yep your probably right, and of course less VAT which I didn't do in my original sums. Plus there's probably a admin fee built in too. That said there's no way our ticket income is only just over £1m this season as the OP suggests

 

[coundonskyblue]

Coundon-Worthing is 10 miles away from Brighton and Littlehampton is 20 miles away, so how they are counted as one conurbation I have no idea.

I'm not saying that it is 100% accurate, just a general figure (it did come from Wikipedia).

The point I am trying to make with it is just using the population of the actual city suggests than someone who lives a foot outside the city boundary will not support that team. People in Bedworth, Nuneaton, Rugby, Warwick and Leamington see Cov as their local team, but that is the same for all other clubs. Many of which have much higher populations in their surrounding areas.

 

[stupot07]

Well then I will have to do much the same for everywhere then won't I?

Good idea,It will keep you out of trouble today!

 

[Jack Griffin]

You need to add 550k for Warwickshire to that as that's pretty much the catchment area.

The new rail station will help too, making it a fairly easy journey from Rugby, Leamington, Warwick, Nuneaton.

 

[the rumpo kid]

lies dam lies and statistcs, anyone can twist population figures. ie the Larger Uban Zone LUZ used by the EU for measuring populass centres has coventry as the centre of 720,000 people.
or the postal code cv area as over 2,000,000

 

[theferret]

Well then I will have to do much the same for everywhere then won't I?

Exactly, if you were going the start including satellite towns not part of the greater urban area you would have to add 600K to Leicester's urban conurbation population, because the population of Leicestershire is 1 million.

Whether you look at City population, urban area, local authority population it doesn't matter, the fact remains that Coventry's population is always GROSSLY overstated. Our urban area is no bigger than that of Bournemouth or Tranmere (Birkenhead). The latter has two massive clubs on their doorstep, but we have many clubs within a 40 mile radius. People who come out with this "Coventry is the 9th biggest city in England" nonsense as though it should automatically translate to massive gates really are clueless.

 

[stupot07]

The new rail station will help too, making it a fairly easy journey from Rugby, Leamington, Warwick, Nuneaton.

Yep, I would imagine at the moment about a third of home support live outside of the city.

 

[coundonskyblue]

Our Catchment area is Coventry and Warwickshire, however due to the city's location being more towards North Warwickshire means places like Stratford would have little interest in the Sky Blues I think.

Warwickshire is made up of:

North Warwickshire - Population 62,000

Nuneaton and Bedworth - pop 125,000

Rugby - Pop 100,500

Stratford - 120,000

Wawrick - pop 137,700

That gives a total Coventry & Warwickshire population of 862,300.

Think out of that you can effectively halve Stratfords population as many towards the south of the district will have no interest in Cov, and the same goes for North Warwickshire, as that includes places like Coleshill, which is certainly Brummie land.

That takes it down to around 772,000. Add in Meriden and Balsall Common, the total is around 778,000 catchment area.

Looking at others Leicestershire for instance has a population of 980,000. Notinghamshire has over 1 million, Derbyshire also has over 1 million, Birmingham and Black Country has around 3.5 million.

(Yes I am bored!)

 

[Covstu]

The lack of fans was certainly a catalyst to the financial position but certainly not the overall reason. Any club needs regular income to be sustainable and that regular has dropped significantly over the last year or two. To be fair this was expecting given the current ACL/SISU saga, league one football and lack of money due to recession and unemployment.

 

[hill83]

The new rail station will help too, making it a fairly easy journey from Rugby, Leamington, Warwick, Nuneaton.

Definitely. This should have been a priority when the stadium was built.

 

[Colin1883]

If your looking at catchment area of say 20 miles of coventry would this include


Leicester?

People will support who they want to how they want...

Given the choice they would rather watch United on the box , and claim they are hardcore fans by doing so.

I don't claim to know how to get bums on seats but I do know that winning 1 in 3 games at home isn't the answer

 

[SBS]

Stadium desperately needs the train station.

However I've always thought that people in Coventry tend to be quite cheap. The town centres full of pound shops and they're always packed. They also seem to love a bandwagon. I'm not having a go because in these times we've got to be careful how we spend our money, but it does always make me laugh how people complain about no Selfridges etc, when they'd rather shop in Primark anyway.

 

[warwickcccfc]

Haha, I was wondering how long it would take to be our fault

Sorry, macca, I agree with all your other comments, but this is a valid point.

Do the people of Cov - not the out-lying areas (Nuneaton, Bedworth, Tamworth, Leamington, Stratford, Warwick etc.) - really want a football team?

From a city of 330-350,000 people, how many turn up week in, week out? How many have season tickets (3000 max.)?

It's a one-club city and the turn out, is quite fankly, a joke.

 

[coundonskyblue]

The train station gets mentioned a lot, but if we were still at HR how many would we be getting now?

Last season, in the bottom 3 pretty much the whole time, yet we still averaged over 15k. Very much doubt we would have got that at HR.

 

[warwickcccfc]

How many reasons would you like?

The lack of success on the pitch, the fact that Coventry as a city is struggling with the decimation of the manufacturing industry, the move from Highfield Road, the ongoing soap opera of our owners and that of the stadium STILL being in a pissing contest after all these years, the general malaise in English football that those running and playing the game are completely disconnected from those they expect to spend money week in week going to games. I could go on!

So are many towns up and down the country.

If we had got to wembley and all that....but it does show that we have a fair few fairweather fans in Cov....you can't dispute that.

 

[coundonskyblue]

Sorry, macca, I agree with all your other comments, but this is a valid point.

Do the people of Cov - not the out-lying areas (Nuneaton, Bedworth, Tamworth, Leamington, Stratford, Warwick etc.) - really want a football team?

From a city of 330-350,000 people, how many turn up week in, week out? How many have season tickets (3000 max.)?

It's a one-club city and the turn out, is quite fankly, a joke.

How many do you think other clubs get from their actual city then? Most clubs get their support from the surrounding areas.

 

[coundonskyblue]

So are many towns up and down the country.

If we had got to wembley and all that....but it does show that we have a fair few fairweather fans in Cov....you can't dispute that.

Fairweather fan suggests that they come out of the woodwork when were good. When have we been good in recent years?

 

[warwickcccfc]

How many do you think other clubs get from their actual city then? Most clubs get their support from the surrounding areas.

Fair point CSB...but 4-5000 fans from Cov on a match day is piss poor for the size of the city.

In fact, huge respect to the 4-5,000 who do turn up, but I work in Cov, and there are so many who whinge, complain, take the piss and never go up....and when the Crewe game came along they were asking me to get them a ticket!

Look at Derby, Norwich etc.