It all starts from this little acorns comes bigger problems ,they need sorting now.no chances.Its everywhere. You see it on away days, you see away fans giving it the big un at the Ricoh as do the group of our support youve mentioned .
Its certainly got worse since lockdown ended but its still a million miles away from years ago.
We're the only ones that have to run a gauntlet of fences, batons and dogs to end up in the trouble anyway thoughI’m not defending those twats that are having fights after games, but vs Preston at home me and my missus parked our car, walked about 4 yards and received dogs abuse from a group of about 6 or 7 Preston chavs for literally no reason. At a guess I would say they were between 15 and 18. I don’t think it’s just us with the problem.
Where have we had the reduction in away tickets ?Also our little reputation that’s growing has probably influenced our reduction in away tickets.
Derby has been the only one I think and that’s because it was against themAlso our little reputation that’s growing has probably influenced our reduction in away tickets.
Not roubles?You should go to Chelsea. They throw £10 notes
Yes it did, it was after the pre-season tour in Ibiza when it kicked off inside the ground during ‘the final’.Didn't it kick off a the first ever game there? Against QPR I think?
Needs to be hostile, intimidating inside the ground, but it ends there, I witnessed some shocking behaviour from some of our lot on the train back to Cov station. Also problems after the Sheffield United game on the platform Home and away fans on the same train, with no police on board.
One of these days it's going to go off big style.
More than that what does it mean in terms of lost revenue? A large portion of the population would never even consider attending a football match yet they wouldn’t have any reservation about attending most sporting events.Good point. It’s tens of thousands of pounds we have been paying for increased police presence this season
The lad in the ground who got a bit of grief about his green jacket was in a group of about 20 or so giving it the large one from the underpass from Tesco up the steps to the away end. They were looking for a bit of a reaction.Its getting embarrassing as I've seen it on the road down towards the Cherry Tree from the main junction, Preston lads fighting down there before the police piled in with batons and pepper spray,Derby in the same area and a baggie fan in a shirt getting a proper kicking from about six lads..Not great for my lad to see this but it's getting very common now.I think there is a huge difference between :
hurling (mildish) abuse in the ecstasy of a 99th minute equaliser, in the general direction of their fans from within the stadium (I did that - and it was more as a result of the justice for their time wasting antics)
and
carrying it on outside the stadium, in whatever shape or form. Singing, chanting because you're happy/ whatever, that's fine, but no need to have a go at opposition fans - particularly those just making there way home, and not looking for trouble.
Like the top end of the PL or rugby, you mean?More than that what does it mean in terms of lost revenue? A large portion of the population would never even consider attending a football match yet they wouldn’t have any reservation about attending most sporting events.
If we want to significantly increase attendance football needs to truly be a family atmosphere.
violence is completely unacceptable and there should definitely be a safe space for families to be away from bad language and rowdy atmosphere but football's edge is a lot of its appeal.More than that what does it mean in terms of lost revenue? A large portion of the population would never even consider attending a football match yet they wouldn’t have any reservation about attending most sporting events.
If we want to significantly increase attendance football needs to truly be a family atmosphere.
Yeah nothing like a bit of waccy baccyMaybe a bit of waccy baccy and a snort of cocaine added in too.
Think Reading was the next fixture after QPR and it kicked off then as well. Some of ours and some of the Reading Youth decided to lock horns outside the stadium while the game was still on. I can remember all those in the top row were staring through the glass and not paying the slightest attention to what was happening on the pitch.Yes it did, it was after the pre-season tour in Ibiza when it kicked off inside the ground during ‘the final’.
That definitely happened during the QPR game - think you’re right, I remember some trouble at HR the season before with Reading.Think Reading was the next fixture after QPR and it kicked off then as well. Some of ours and some of the Reading Youth decided to lock horns outside the stadium while the game was still on. I can remember all those in the top row were staring through the glass and not paying the slightest attention to what was happening on the pitch.
I keep going on and on and on about this but it's so basic I can't believe it's still going on.I don't think we're any worst than any other team to be honest, like people have already said in here we are a big day out ground. I think the layout of the site and the general organisation is the main issue. Fightings not right but when you're walking huge amounts of drunk lads past others or sticking poxy fences between people what do you expect.
violence is completely unacceptable and there should definitely be a safe space for families to be away from bad language and rowdy atmosphere but football's edge is a lot of its appeal.
If people want to sit down in a quiet bowl with nothing going on then Wasps have plenty of space.
The difficulty is ensuring the atmosphere is maintained while the trouble is eradicated.
Plenty of people enjoy the atmosphere and add to it without feeling the need to be violent as well.violence is completely unacceptable and there should definitely be a safe space for families to be away from bad language and rowdy atmosphere but football's edge is a lot of its appeal.
If people want to sit down in a quiet bowl with nothing going on then Wasps have plenty of space.
The difficulty is ensuring the atmosphere is maintained while the trouble is eradicated.
Yeah. There are huge demographics that are almost completely excluded from live football (except perhaps at the highest level, as you point out). It’s money on the table that could be invested.Like the top end of the PL or rugby, you mean?
It would just kill off what’s left of the traditional game even more. Football has always had an edge to it, that’s not going to go away any time soon.Yeah. There are huge demographics that are almost completely excluded from live football (except perhaps at the highest level, as you point out). It’s money on the table that could be invested.
Of course, there are plenty of other reasons, besides financial, for violence not to be condoned or hand waved away.
I didn't suggest the two go hand in hand. Quite the opposite.Plenty of people enjoy the atmosphere and add to it without feeling the need to be violent as well.
I don’t accept the premise the two go hand in hand.
And it's the better for it.It would just kill off what’s left of the traditional game even more. Football has always had an edge to it, that’s not going to go away any time soon.
I have a mate who works for a League One side and we were talking about this a few weeks back. He said they've seen a big increase in trouble these last couple of years from both home and away fans.Maybe 'the new Millwall' is a tad too far, but its most weeks now theres trouble up there in one form or another.
Are we aware of any other club thats having that level of shite?
In the chavs defence it does seem that we get a large away following of mongs come here
I accept your point - part of the enjoyment for me is that slight rowdiness (though it feels increasingly like it's crossing the line of acceptableness with many behaviour), but I have a slight issue with the priority.I didn't suggest the two go hand in hand. Quite the opposite.
What I did say is that it shouldn't be an entirely family friendly experience. There should be a space for that but there should also be a space for a bit of rowdiness that doesn't cross the line.
You suggested that without the rowdiness and the “edge” we’d just be sat in a quiet bowl? That seems to imply they go hand in hand?I didn't suggest the two go hand in hand. Quite the opposite.
What I did say is that it shouldn't be an entirely family friendly experience. There should be a space for that but there should also be a space for a bit of rowdiness that doesn't cross the line.
Well it’s not going to go away if we accept the premise that a good atmosphere isn’t possible without it, no.It would just kill off what’s left of the traditional game even more. Football has always had an edge to it, that’s not going to go away any time soon.
More than that what does it mean in terms of lost revenue? A large portion of the population would never even consider attending a football match yet they wouldn’t have any reservation about attending most sporting events.
If we want to significantly increase attendance football needs to truly be a family atmosphere.
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