Course we’ll forget. It’s the human way
We are spending Armistice Day by berating a potential Prime Minister for wanting to be cautious about going to war or committing genocide for revenge.
We’ve already forgotten.
Absolutely love it there. You are accepted straight away as long as you don't want to live like a Brit. I actually want to be older so I can join my family full time. Got another 3 years, 5 months and 3 days.Hmmm, you'll live near my parents' friends then (although they seem to have lost touch!). That's where I would like to go...
Are you both fucking serious??? Fucking pricks
You should simply be proud of your grandfather for what he did to safeguard the future of our democracy.He’d also be berated, yes.
My grandad wrote a book about his time fighting in WW2 for my and my sister. I did not get the impression that the lesson he wanted us to learn was “fuck up some foreigners”. The jingoistic nature of modern remembrance is a disgrace to the memory of people like him. Bunch of small idiots wearing his generations achievements as their own to push an ideal they’ve never have agreed with.
Why? Course we forget. Why do you think the Great War wasn’t the war to end all wars? Using obscenities doesn’t make your point any more validAre you both fucking serious??? Fucking pricks
Yep away with work I’m one of very few I’ve seen in Newcastle today with poppies on. Obviously a red one and a white oneI work in quite a cosmopolitan open plan office. Approx 50 people. 4 wore a poppy. There was no minute or two to remember at 11am,something we've historically always done in my 20 years there.
I know people fought for freedom so people could choose, I'm not the poppy police & there are lots of younger & EU employees that have changed the demographic significantly, but all the same, that didn't stop me feeling any less disappointed.
Some will have been apatheticoor lazy, but it's tge combined lack of effort and respect. I guess I'm the simply the dinosaur in the minority who needs to accept the change or move on.
You are so wrong.Why? Course we forget. Why do you think the Great War wasn’t the war to end all wars? Using obscenities doesn’t make your point any more valid
Im not saying people forgot ww1 and so ww2 started however many people will tell you that the humiliation of Germany post war ww1 meant that ww2 was almost certainly to happen. What am I so wrong about? And are you genuinely saying that people have learned the lessons from the Boer War or Ww1 and ww2?You are so wrong.
There was a second world war because Hitler thought he could do what his predecessor couldn't. Are you trying to say nobody could remember WW1?
War is normally caused by one of four things. A crackpot who lies to his people, someone who wants to expand their empire, religion or oil. Frequently it is more than 1.
Same here Tommo. I drove for WMPTE from '82-'89.Going back a couple of years when I drove buses, they had us all pull over at our nearest stop close to 11am to be ready for the 2 mins silence, engines off etc. My bus was full and boy did it kick off! Obviously it was my fault.
Think sometimes it can be hard for people of my generation (I was born in 74) to comprehend what it must have been like. From a young age I've seen images of war around the world and, as it is sadly seemingly never ending, you almost become numb to it. These days of rolling 24 hour news gives you a constant feed of war and death covered like its an action movie or computer game.Thursday will be a significant day for me and thousands of Coventry kids. The night of 14th November 1940. The Coventry Blitz.
Did you not read my post or is it you just didn't like it contradicting yourself?Im not saying people forgot ww1 and so ww2 started however many people will tell you that the humiliation of Germany post war ww1 meant that ww2 was almost certainly to happen. What am I so wrong about? And are you genuinely saying that people have learned the lessons from the Boer War or Ww1 and ww2?
Did you not read my post or is it you just didn't like it contradicting yourself?
People learn from war because they remember it. But the people have no choice.
This is what I said.
War is normally caused by one of four things. A crackpot who lies to his people, someone who wants to expand their empire, religion or oil. Frequently it is more than 1.
Completely agreeI get your point but in saying the people have no choice isn't always strictly true. With Hitler he undoubtedly wanted to expand Germany and lied to his people to do so, using religion as an excuse. Along the way he consolidated his power using improved economic performance as a means of illustrating his worthiness so when his full aims were apparent he had so much control people felt powerless to speak out against it.
BUT if enough people still remembered WWI they would've looked at this warmongering and said "no. we're not having it. We don't want more death and destruction". It was only 20 years later after all. The police and military etc could've ignored orders or at least created such a barrier to hinder those plans to slow it down. But instead a large swath of people got caught up in the nationalistic fervour and went along with it and bought into it all being the fault of certain groups like Jews, gays, foreigners in general.
If you can't see that there are overtones of this in the modern day then you must have your eyes shut. And we've had nearly 75 years since it ended for the true horror of living through it to be forgotten. There are very few left now to remind us. We ARE forgetting.
I strongly believe that for some Armistice Day is not about remembering the fallen or the horror of warfare, it's about remembering we won the war(s) and taking pride in it. Americans commemorate Independence Day but we don't. Why don't we remember those who fell in that war (on both sides)?
Not bothered which way you put it. The public has no choice. If you are in the armed forces you can't just say you won't go because you don't agree with it. And nobody else has to go to war.I get your point but in saying the people have no choice isn't always strictly true. With Hitler he undoubtedly wanted to expand Germany and lied to his people to do so, using religion as an excuse. Along the way he consolidated his power using improved economic performance as a means of illustrating his worthiness so when his full aims were apparent he had so much control people felt powerless to speak out against it.
BUT if enough people still remembered WWI they would've looked at this warmongering and said "no. we're not having it. We don't want more death and destruction". It was only 20 years later after all. The police and military etc could've ignored orders or at least created such a barrier to hinder those plans to slow it down. But instead a large swath of people got caught up in the nationalistic fervour and went along with it and bought into it all being the fault of certain groups like Jews, gays, foreigners in general.
If you can't see that there are overtones of this in the modern day then you must have your eyes shut. And we've had nearly 75 years since it ended for the true horror of living through it to be forgotten. There are very few left now to remind us. We ARE forgetting.
I strongly believe that for some Armistice Day is not about remembering the fallen or the horror of warfare, it's about remembering we won the war(s) and taking pride in it. Americans commemorate Independence Day but we don't. Why don't we remember those who fell in that war (on both sides)?
Not bothered which way you put it. The public has no choice. If you are in the armed forces you can't just say you won't go because you don't agree with it. And nobody else has to go to war.
So you agree now that the people have no choice?But if enough of those at the top of the military/police disagreed with the action they could've used logistic processes etc to prevent or slow that down. In extreme measures, and I'm not advocating such things, there'd even be the option of a coup. It is why it's dangerous giving presidents more and more power - they end up effectively controlling the executive, legislative and judiciary.
Putin does it in Russia, Xi does it in China, Trump is trying to do it in the US but he doesn't keep anyone onside long enough to do it effectively and at the moment there are enough sane people to hold him up. It's become more of a thing here as well since the Blair years, but on a smaller scale. But they've all tried to wrest control from others or at the very least put people in positions of power they can control.
There is always a choice.It is a choice to decide to stay silent or go along with something you disagree with for self-preservation.So you agree now that the people have no choice?
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