Arsenal and Liverpool in race to sign James Maddison (Independent) (24 Viewers)

Astute · Jan 21, 2016

Samo said:
I must say I find this all rather bizarre. After years of defending SISU against many including you (not because they deserved it but purely in the interests of fairness) I now find myself trying to counter your equally rabid love for them!
You are the one who has claimed that TM has full say on the 'rumored' 60% so the onus is on you to prove to provide evidence, not me.
Yes his budget has gone up with attendances... great, I have not claimed otherwise.
As for the hedge fund comments... are they no longer one since TM's arrival???? As I say, you are very naive.

Just looking for another stupid argument I see. I have made several points on why I think this way. You have not made a point against any of them. And you admit that you have argued in the past over SISU not because of your beliefs but because of fairness? Whereas I look at what is going on or what has happened. No reason to have a go at SISU for anything here. But you say because they are a hedge fund that I shouldn't think any good.

SISU 'have it in their own hands' Back TM and they could get to where they need to be. Upset him and he could go. Or more like he would go. And you haven't given your reason for the protracted negotiations on TM's contract.

Astute · Jan 21, 2016

cloughie said:
Extra investment over and above original budget is the money generated through larger crowds / income than was expected ie 11000/12000

Doubt it will be anything from our owners

Watch out. Samo is looking for another argument.

Astute · Jan 21, 2016

Samo said:
It's a pity she didn't back it before we were in it.

Ah missed this one. Are you saying that SISU never backed our club with cash before?

Samo · Jan 21, 2016

Astute said:
Just looking for another stupid argument I see. I have made several points on why I think this way. You have not made a point against any of them. And you admit that you have argued in the past over SISU not because of your beliefs but because of fairness? Whereas I look at what is going on or what has happened. No reason to have a go at SISU for anything here. But you say because they are a hedge fund that I shouldn't think any good.

SISU 'have it in their own hands' Back TM and they could get to where they need to be. Upset him and he could go. Or more like he would go. And you haven't given your reason for the protracted negotiations on TM's contract.

You have no evidence whatsoever for the claims you make, you switch sides with the wind betraying a distinct lack of character and you are one of the most naive posters i have encountered, you are in short, a fool. I will discuss this with you no further and will in future try to engage in discussion with those on a similar level to me and able to comprehend. Good night.

Astute · Jan 21, 2016

Samo said:
You have no evidence whatsoever for the claims you make, you switch sides with the wind betraying a distinct lack of character and you are one of the most naive posters i have encountered, you are in short, a fool. I will discuss this with you no further and will in future try to engage in discussion with those on a similar level to me and able to comprehend. Good night.

So you admit that you are wrong.

Switch sides? SISU are still a bunch of cunts. The same as nearly every one else that has been involved in our club for many years. But what is wrong with saying how you see it instead of making your mind up at one time and never looking at positives at a later date? A fool is someone who has a thought and keeps to it whatever happens. That is you. Someone who is Astute always reassess what is going on. That is me.

Samo · Jan 21, 2016

Astute said:
So you admit that you are wrong.

Switch sides? SISU are still a bunch of cunts. The same as nearly every one else that has been involved in our club for many years. But what is wrong with saying how you see it instead of making your mind up at one time and never looking at positives at a later date? A fool is someone who has a thought and keeps to it whatever happens. That is you. Someone who is Astute always reassess what is going on. That is me.

Haha, you seem to have worked yourself up into a bit of a lather! Sooooooo easy.
Oh and... you trust a 'bunch of cunts' :facepalm:

SlowerThanPlatt · Jan 22, 2016

http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/sport/6877971/FAI-track-young-hotshot-James-Maddison.html

Republic of Ireland trying to tie down Maddison to play for them through his grandparent according to the Irish Sun. This probably means he'll be getting a call up soon from England U19s/U21.

Astute · Jan 22, 2016

Samo said:
Haha, you seem to have worked yourself up into a bit of a lather! Sooooooo easy.
Oh and... you trust a 'bunch of cunts' :facepalm:

Where have I said that I trust them?

All you have done is come out with your views and nothing to back them up. Yet I have backed up my views of what is presently occurring and you try to rubbish them without giving a reason. You seem to be ready for another meltdown like a few days ago over the 'in our own hands' thread. And I agreed with you there

So now you have admitted that you argued on behalf of SISU but didn't always agree with what you said. Whereas I have always called it as I see it. So am I never supposed to see any good in them because I saw the harm they caused? Seeing everything as it is currently Is part of being unbiased. And there has been a big shift since TM arrived. And it looks like our supporters agree as they are now coming back.

Whilst they are seeming to be doing the right thing I will back them with my money and against people like yourself. And there is no secret about how I have felt against them in the past. I have always said that if they leave us in a better place than they found us that I would forgive them. Forget certainly not but forgive yes.

So how about coming out with reasons to show where I am wrong about the funding and TM not having a full say about it? Or is it time for you to change sides and look for another underdog to argue on their behalf?

Samo · Jan 22, 2016

Astute said:
TM said previously that he wouldn't sell anyone unless it was an offer he couldn't refuse. It took a lot of negotiating before he signed his contract. It is said that he gets 60% of all income to spend as he likes. He got the training ground done up. He got the team bus repainted. And now it has come out that he has more money to spend now that attendances are up.

1, Everything points towards TM having the final say in who comes and goes. So why would he sell Maddison if he never got any of the money to strengthen the squad?

2, Do you really think that Joy is stupid enough to go against the contract signed with TM and risk him walking away? He is her only chance of getting back the money previously wasted.

I don't mind anyone having a go at any of the sides that have had a hand in putting us where we are now. But SISU seem to be doing the right thing now. And I stupidly trust them to continue to let TM have the last say in everything.

Here

Astute · Jan 22, 2016

Samo said:
Here

And yet again you take half of a sentence and try and make it mean something totally different.

So how about coming out with something to back what you have been saying?

Skyblueweeman · Jan 22, 2016

Samo, I think you and I normally see things pretty similarly on here but I think you're being overly critical on Astute. He's admitted previously of his annoyance at SISU (like the majority) and is pleased (like the majority) that they appear to be supporting the best manager we've had since the 80's by giving him some extra case which has stemmed from the extra gate revenue we've had.

I can't be arsed to find the link but I'm sure there was something earlier in the season where the powers that be said that if we averaged more than 11,000 home gates, more money would be made available for TM. That's what's happened so not sure what the drama is about?

WM

Otis · Jan 22, 2016

Skyblueweeman said:
Samo, I think you and I normally see things pretty similarly on here but I think you're being overly critical on Astute. He's admitted previously of his annoyance at SISU (like the majority) and is pleased (like the majority) that they appear to be supporting the best manager we've had since the 80's by giving him some extra case which has stemmed from the extra gate revenue we've had.

I can't be arsed to find the link but I'm sure there was something earlier in the season where the powers that be said that if we averaged more than 11,000 home gates, more money would be made available for TM. That's what's happened so not sure what the drama is about?

WM

Yep. Nothing to see here, move along.

Skyblueweeman · Jan 22, 2016

ms639 said:
First game of the season was it?

4th actually. He didn't play in the first and I didn't think looked as pacy in the other 2.

Any concerns if it was my first game of the season? Strange question to ask...

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Samo · Jan 22, 2016

Skyblueweeman said:
Samo, I think you and I normally see things pretty similarly on here but I think you're being overly critical on Astute. He's admitted previously of his annoyance at SISU (like the majority) and is pleased (like the majority) that they appear to be supporting the best manager we've had since the 80's by giving him some extra case which has stemmed from the extra gate revenue we've had.

I can't be arsed to find the link but I'm sure there was something earlier in the season where the powers that be said that if we averaged more than 11,000 home gates, more money would be made available for TM. That's what's happened so not sure what the drama is about?

WM

Weeman,
This was my original post:

''Because he is allowed a little leeway with loans and frees does not mean he'll be seeing any of the Maddison cash.''

Hardly controversial or offensive but Astute seems to have taken it that I was having a go at his newly beloved SISU and started making all sorts of statements which he claimed as fact which I challenged. I don't really see why I'm the bad guy here.

Having said that.... I am aware that I can be a bit OTT when someone has got up my nose so.... I apologise to anyone I might have offended and to Astute who I think is a decent fella by the way.

Skyblueweeman · Jan 22, 2016

Good lad. Now you can have your pudding and leave the table.

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stevefloyd · Jan 22, 2016

He can have my pudding as well

Samo · Jan 22, 2016

Skyblueweeman said:
Good lad. Now you can have your pudding and leave the table.

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Fuck off

Astute · Jan 22, 2016

Samo said:
Weeman,
This was my original post:

''Because he is allowed a little leeway with loans and frees does not mean he'll be seeing any of the Maddison cash.''

Hardly controversial or offensive but Astute seems to have taken it that I was having a go at his newly beloved SISU and started making all sorts of statements which he claimed as fact which I challenged. I don't really see why I'm the bad guy here.

Having said that.... I am aware that I can be a bit OTT when someone has got up my nose so.... I apologise to anyone I might have offended and to Astute who I think is a decent fella by the way.

My newly beloved SISU? How did you work that one out? All they have done is what they should have done and what will benefit themselves.

Samo · Jan 22, 2016

Astute said:
My newly beloved SISU? How did you work that one out? All they have done is what they should have done and what will benefit themselves.

You want to carry this on?

Astute · Jan 22, 2016

Samo said:
You want to carry this on?

If you can handle not misquoting me with a half sentence trying to make out that I said something else or admit that I am right with the evidence before us certainly. I have a long 12 hour night shift ahead of me

Samo · Jan 22, 2016

Astute said:
TM said previously that he wouldn't sell anyone unless it was an offer he couldn't refuse. (You really think it's ultimately up to him?) It took a lot of negotiating before he signed his contract. It is said (by whom?) that he gets 60% of all income to spend as he likes. He got the training ground done up. He got the team bus repainted. (Out of the playing budget, not with extra cash he was given) And now it has come out that he has more money to spend now that attendances are up. (Great!)

1, Everything points towards TM having the final say in who comes and goes. (Does it?) So why would he sell Maddison if he never got any of the money to strengthen the squad? (Of course he wouldn't want to but ultimately it's Joy's call)

2, Do you really think that Joy is stupid enough to go against the contract signed with TM and risk him walking away? ( I hope not but her logic has been mystifying in the past) He is her only chance of getting back the money previously wasted.

I don't mind anyone having a go at any of the sides that have had a hand in putting us where we are now. But SISU seem to be doing the right thing now. And I stupidly trust them to continue to let TM have the last say in everything.(This seems clear enough to me - you say you trust them even though you later denied it)

This was your original response to my simple one line post, I have inserted some comments as I happen to believe your post is somewhat naive. I have made no claims on this thread, there is nothing for me to back up or justify, I've merely questioned the validity of your statements as above. I can't imagine why your knickers are in such a bunch about it

thewards5579 · Jan 22, 2016

Samo said:
This was your original response to my simple one line post, I have inserted some comments as I happen to believe your post is somewhat naive. I have made no claims on this thread, there is nothing for me to back up or justify, I've merely questioned the validity of your statements as above. I can't imagine why your knickers are in such a bunch about it

Think Samo isnt getting any in the bedroom..... and hes clearly lost his depression pills.....the guy would argue with himself alone in a phone box

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Astute · Jan 22, 2016

Samo said:
This was your original response to my simple one line post, I have inserted some comments as I happen to believe your post is somewhat naive. I have made no claims on this thread, there is nothing for me to back up or justify, I've merely questioned the validity of your statements as above. I can't imagine why your knickers are in such a bunch about it

I said I stupidly trust them to give him the extra funds that the higher gates have given to our club. That is a massive difference to saying that I trust them. For instance I don't trust them about this supposed new ground. But this is one of the sentences that you took the first half of it and ignored the rest to try and change the subject or put someone on the defence. Otherwise known as doing a Grendel

Samo · Jan 22, 2016

thewards5579 said:
Think Samo isnt getting any in the bedroom..... and hes clearly lost his depression pills.....the guy would argue with himself alone in a phone box

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Hey, look back a page, it was done as far as I was concerned and even apologized for my tone but Astute wanted more! Why is everyone so defensive about Astute? Can he not fight his own battles?

Samo · Jan 22, 2016

Astute said:
I said I stupidly trust them to give him the extra funds that the higher gates have given to our club. That is a massive difference to saying that I trust them. For instance I don't trust them about this supposed new ground. But this is one of the sentences that you took the first half of it and ignored the rest to try and change the subject or put someone on the defence. Otherwise known as doing a Grendel

Look Astute, let's agree to disagree... you think TM is the only manager in the world who has the final say on finances over the owner and I don't.

st john · Jan 22, 2016

Question for Nick
When a post keeps appearing at the top it's only natural to think something really interesting is going on here, but all too often it's just two posters having a childish argument. Can't you show a handbags icon on posts where this is happening so we can choose to ignore it without having to read it?

wingy · Jan 22, 2016

st john said:
Question for Nick
When a post keeps appearing at the top it's only natural to think something really interesting is going on here, but all too often it's just two posters having a childish argument. Can't you show a handbags icon on posts where this is happening so we can choose to ignore it without having to read it?

Yeah, That giff, Nick I think put up on another thread a couple of days ago would do it. ;-)

Samo · Jan 22, 2016

st john said:
Question for Nick
When a post keeps appearing at the top it's only natural to think something really interesting is going on here, but all too often it's just two posters having a childish argument. Can't you show a handbags icon on posts where this is happening so we can choose to ignore it without having to read it?

Why would you think that? It's nearly always a childish argument!

covmark · Jan 22, 2016

st john said:
Question for Nick
When a post keeps appearing at the top it's only natural to think something really interesting is going on here, but all too often it's just two posters having a childish argument. Can't you show a handbags icon on posts where this is happening so we can choose to ignore it without having to read it?

Just don't mention that promotion is still in our own hands for christ sake.

Huckerby · Jan 22, 2016

Astute said:
I said I stupidly trust them to give him the extra funds that the higher gates have given to our club. That is a massive difference to saying that I trust them. For instance I don't trust them about this supposed new ground. But this is one of the sentences that you took the first half of it and ignored the rest to try and change the subject or put someone on the defence. Otherwise known as doing a Grendel

Sorry - what am i missing here? The only difference I see is in one version you're calling yourself stupid

Samo · Jan 22, 2016

covmark said:
Just don't mention that promotion is still in our own hands for christ sake.

Coz it aint!

Astute · Jan 22, 2016

Samo said:
Look Astute, let's agree to disagree... you think TM is the only manager in the world who has the final say on finances over the owner and I don't.

Show one bit of evidence that he can't spend the money as he wants. Oh yes I forgot Joy wanted the team bus repainted and the training ground done up.

Astute · Jan 22, 2016

Huckerby said:
Sorry - what am i missing here? The only difference I see is in one version you're calling yourself stupid

Have I ever said I am not?

Astute · Jan 22, 2016

Samo said:
Coz it aint!

At least we agree on something

Londonccfcfan · Jan 22, 2016

Boring!

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