Baby Girl Dies In Cov From Dog Bite (2 Viewers)

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OffenhamSkyBlue

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Woman in Coventry killed by pet dog now ☹️.

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Woman killed in attack by pet dog in Coventry

Police say the woman was treated by paramedics after the attack but died a short time later.
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I saw this too, and it makes me wonder what people DO to their dogs to make them attack you? Is it indicative of the nature of some of the people who live on estates like Wood End?
The other thing that boils my piss about this incident is why TWO air ambulances were sent to the scene, as well as two road ambulances. It costs about 5 grand of charity funding to send a helicopter to an incident. Maybe they thought there may be others in the house??? It's only 10 minutes' drive from there to the major trauma unit at Walsgrave, even without "blues and twos".
 
Sick Boy

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OffenhamSkyBlue said:
I saw this too, and it makes me wonder what people DO to their dogs to make them attack you? Is it indicative of the nature of some of the people who live on estates like Wood End?
The other thing that boils my piss about this incident is why TWO air ambulances were sent to the scene, as well as two road ambulances. It costs about 5 grand of charity funding to send a helicopter to an incident. Maybe they thought there may be others in the house??? It's only 10 minutes' drive from there to the major trauma unit at Walsgrave, even without "blues and twos".
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I live in an apartment building and there are some dog owners who let them out to walk up and down the stairs.

The other week one of them appeared as a delivery driver was coming into the building and pinned him up against the wall.

They’re not bad people but there there are so many people who just shouldn’t own dogs and I’d like to see some kind of dog register; not sure how it’d work though.
 
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Sick Boy said:
I live in an apartment building and there are some dog owners who let them out to walk up and down the stairs.

The other week one of them appeared as a delivery driver was coming into the building and pinned him up against the wall.

They’re not bad people but there there are so many people who just shouldn’t own dogs and I’d like to see some kind of dog register; not sure how it’d work though.
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You used to have to have a licence to keep a dog in Britain, but it was stopped in 1987, other than for dangerous breeds. You have to have them microchipped, but that doesn't help with people who don't have a clue how to train them properly.
 
chiefdave

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OffenhamSkyBlue said:
I saw this too, and it makes me wonder what people DO to their dogs to make them attack you? Is it indicative of the nature of some of the people who live on estates like Wood End?
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Can't help but think the problem is largely down to owners rather than the dogs.

Over the years the breed classed as dangerous has changed in line with what is fashionable among certain groups to own (trying to pick my words carefully!). When I was a kid it was german sheppards but nobody would think twice about someone owning that breed now.
 
Nick

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OffenhamSkyBlue said:
And another one Woman dies in hospital following dog attack in Southend-on-Sea

Two dogs in the premises, neither banned. One a bull mastiff, the other a Pomeranian. I wonder if they will ever figure out which one did it!
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It does actually say:

""It’s not clear which one was involved in the attack, but neither is a banned breed.""

I am sure it is obvious to anybody with eyes which was.

I have noticed that a lot of the time the properties are flats as well, it's happening with various breeds of dogs so at what point can the owners be brought into question rather than just saying "ban big dogs".
 
chiefdave

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Nick said:
I have noticed that a lot of the time the properties are flats as well, it's happening with various breeds of dogs so at what point can the owners be brought into question rather than just saying "ban big dogs".
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Its absolutely the owners but instead we target whatever breed of dog these owners find fashionable at the time.

Not sure there's many flats that are suitable for dogs. The main reason I moved from a flat to a house was because I wanted a dog and wasn't going to get one in a flat.
 
torchomatic

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Another owner killed by his XL Bully. Seems short sighted to have just made them "licenced". Maybe they should have all been destroyed?

BBC News - Man killed by own XL bully dog at home
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Accrington death: Man killed by XL Bully dog in his own home

The man was found dead in his home in Lancashire and the dog was later destroyed by police.
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Jamesimus

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It’s really unfortunate re; the guy in Lancashire.

Im not sure how the licensing works, does a behaviourist check over the dog and the say yeah you’re good to go?

It’s certainly not a fault of the breed, it’s a shame their size makes the attacks so catastrophic when they happen.

My experience of bull breed dogs is entirely positive and our rescue bull breed is quite literally the best behaved dog. Lives happily with two cats who she never chases or does anything to. They frequently bash her on the head if she annoys them and she sheepishly walks off 😂

She is a much better behaved dog than most of the spaniels, cockapoos and labradors in our local area. Unfortunately, people still cross the road to avoid her.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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It’s really unfortunate re; the guy in Lancashire.

Im not sure how the licensing works, does a behaviourist check over the dog and the say yeah you’re good to go?

It’s certainly not a fault of the breed, it’s a shame their size makes the attacks so catastrophic when they happen.

My experience of bull breed dogs is entirely positive and our rescue bull breed is quite literally the best behaved dog. Lives happily with two cats who she never chases or does anything to. They frequently bash her on the head if she annoys them and she sheepishly walks off 😂

She is a much better behaved dog than most of the spaniels, cockapoos and labradors in our local area. Unfortunately, people still cross the road to avoid her.
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You sure they're not avoiding YOU, James? ;)
 
Jamesimus

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Sick Boy said:
This probably won't go down well but there should be places where dogs wear muzzles and fines for not doing so.
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Don’t think that’s necessary personally, but certainly places where they should be on a lead if they have the propensity to be out of control. Fairly sure this is already vaguely enshrined in law?

It’s worth noting a bit of public education would go a long way on this. Things like kids learning they should not be going up to dogs they don’t know etc, learning that dogs shouldn’t be jumped all over no matter how tolerant they seem.

The optics of the situation don’t help. If my dog does something naughty, the way it’s perceived is very different, so she is judged in an entirely different manner and tbh, doesn’t get to have the fun that other dogs do because I’m conscious of this and my responsibility to be a good bull breed owner.

Also, I didn’t realise until today the XL bully legislation is pretty much based on measurements rather than being a specific breed, which is not very helpful or fair either.
 
torchomatic

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Nick said:
Yes, if the dog is dangerous. Every dog is different.
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Xl Bully's don't seem to be different. I bet the guy who's just been maul to death thought his dog was 'different'.

The breed is dangerous. Nothing will change that.
 
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torchomatic said:
Xl Bully's don't seem to be different. I bet the guy who's just been maul to death thought his dog was 'different'.

The breed is dangerous. Nothing will change that.
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Nice generalising.

There are tens of thousands in the UK that haven't killed people.
 
Sick Boy

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Jamesimus said:
Don’t think that’s necessary personally, but certainly places where they should be on a lead if they have the propensity to be out of control. Fairly sure this is already vaguely enshrined in law?

It’s worth noting a bit of public education would go a long way on this. Things like kids learning they should not be going up to dogs they don’t know etc, learning that dogs shouldn’t be jumped all over no matter how tolerant they seem.

The optics of the situation don’t help. If my dog does something naughty, the way it’s perceived is very different, so she is judged in an entirely different manner and tbh, doesn’t get to have the fun that other dogs do because I’m conscious of this and my responsibility to be a good bull breed owner.

Also, I didn’t realise until today the XL bully legislation is pretty much based on measurements rather than being a specific breed, which is not very helpful or fair either.
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My main issue is with some dog owners rather than dogs themselves. This is especially those that think nothing of letting their dog jump up at people and go up to them off the lead in general.
 
Jamesimus

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torchomatic said:
Xl Bully's don't seem to be different. I bet the guy who's just been maul to death thought his dog was 'different'.

The breed is dangerous. Nothing will change that.
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It doesn’t actually seem to be a breed. The criteria is quite confusing. My dog fits the adult female measurements and description, is scared of cats and can be walked past livestock off-lead without issue 🤷‍♂️
 
chiefdave

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Nick said:
Not really sure you can or should kill a whole breed because of it.
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It's not a defined breed in this country. At present its down to largely untrained council staff to make decisions hence for those owners that can afford it lengthy court cases follow.

Even ignoring the issue of it being the owners and not the dogs, and if you ban this 'breed' they will just move on to another, and the moral arguments against putting down healthy well behaved dogs I don't see how it is in any way workable.
 
chiefdave

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Sick Boy said:
This probably won't go down well but there should be places where dogs wear muzzles and fines for not doing so.
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That's been the law since 1991. Listed breeds, or just any dog who meets certain criteria, has to be muzzled in public places.

You can currently get fined thousands or even end up in jail if you are in breach of the law.
 
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