italiahorse
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You also have no idea of the way forward and so you want a race to the bottom ?
Luckily not everyone has the backbone of a jelly fish like you. Imagine if everyone had your attitude, the world would be horrendous.
The morality of the Wasps deal is wrong. You must agree? The injustice of it all annoys the life out of me. Do I lose sleep over it? No. Will I just forgive and get my black and yellow jacket out? Will I F***!!!!!!!!!!!
You also have no idea of the way forward and so you want a race to the bottom ?
The stadium with a team in is worth a lot more money. As Wasps knew.
I suspect Sisu thought they were the only team that could use the arena and could get it down to zero. Perhaps even the freehold with a few years in Northampton.
You also have no idea of the way forward and so you want a race to the bottom ?
But if CCFC haven't got the clout to run it in D1 what should happen next ?
Belfast and Glasgow are the obvious ones.
If franchising is the precedent, this is what happens. You can just sneer and say it won't, but the evidence is that once teams move and franchising is accepted, they become less tied to place.
Ignore that, say it'll never happen, and you repeat the mistakes that said SISU were fine, who cares we're owned by profit oriented investment funds with a reputation for ruthlessness.
What available stadium's are there in Glasgow and Belfast then? I could see Wasps being relocated possibly working in either but not CCFC, especially Glasgow. When I say working I mean by that supported by the new local community not the community they'd be leaving.
Besides I'd be surprised if the FL & FA would sanction another franchise in the English game and certainly not outside of England. The idea of franchising Wimbledon to Dublin was suggested long before MK was settled on, long before Winkleman turned up, in fact I think it was in Sam Haman's day's in charge and it was categorically dismissed out of hand.
Why people are trying to bluff people into thinking that there are possibilities is beyond me.
The circumstances around the Ricoh and the fact that it was available made it a unique opportunity for someone. The chances of a council building a stadium for a football club again are slim given our case, Northampton's case, Hulls case and Swansea's case, especially as the EU have got involved in Swansea regarding illegal state aid. And the chances of another club's owners deliberately vacating a stadium built for them in an ill fated, ill advised attempt to wrestle control of that stadium will never happen again given how catastrophically it failed. Even Wasps were in a unique position, the truth is that they are a breakaway club from a club that still exists, they were already operating a good distance away from where they started and the truth is that the majority of the world of Rugby Union unlike the football world really couldn't give a flying one about franchising. Wasps wete franchised and pretty much no one battered an eyelid from the governing body to grass route supporters. I'm genuinely yet to meet an out and out Rugby fan who cares one bit that Wasps are now in Coventry. In fact just the opposite, most are delighted as they can go and easily watch premiership Rugby on their doorstep at a fraction of the cost of watching saints or tigers and tickets are easier to get hold of.
What available stadium's are there in Glasgow and Belfast then?
I could see Wasps being relocated possibly working in either but not CCFC, especially Glasgow. When I say working I mean by that supported by the new local community not the community they'd be leaving.
Besides I'd be surprised if the FL & FA would sanction another franchise in the English game and certainly not outside of England. The idea of franchising Wimbledon to Dublin was suggested long before MK was settled on, long before Winkleman turned up, in fact I think it was in Sam Haman's day's in charge and it was categorically dismissed out of hand.
Zack, tell me what do you think CCFC's strategy should be?
I'm genuinely yet to meet an out and out Rugby fan who cares one bit that Wasps are now in Coventry. In fact just the opposite, most are delighted as they can go and easily watch premiership Rugby on their doorstep at a fraction of the cost of watching saints or tigers and tickets are easier to get hold of.
East Dumbartonshire Council are currently in the planning stages for a new stadium in Glasgow. South Lanarkshire Council is also looking to build on in East Kilbride. SFA's contact at Hampden Park expires in 2020 and there has been rumours they aren't going to renew. It's also not beyond the realms of possibility that further trouble for Rangers could see Ibrox becoming available.
The Irish public money is being used for major redevelopment at Ravenhill, Casement and Windsor Park.
Wouldn't that be a cause for concern? Wasps owners have shown they are happy to move, if a move suits Wasps but doesn't suit, or isn't permitted, for us who knows what might happen.
The simple fact is nobody knows what will happen in the future. If you go back 30 years and told someone what state football would be in, or for that matter rugby, they would think you were mad and would tell you there was no chance.
I work with two ex-wasps fans (proper fans) who say their club is dead to them. Could well have been ccfc fans, that's why the hypocrisy demonstrated on this forum is absurd.
So are they building them in the hope of enticing English sporting clubs to franchising there or are they part of a bigger long term plan with a predetermined purpose? What's the specs? Is it comparable or better than the Ricoh?
Keep clutching Dave.
Of course you do.
Is this your new saying? More rhetoric which means nothing. Only one club rents off a rugby club - Stockport County. Where are they?
We're in league one, we're not going to sink much lower. Just scaremongering.
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Whatever happened to that "illegal" state aid case? I know you love to mention it. It was two years ago wasn't it? What penalties were imposed?
As for fraction of the cost - well it's no cost unless they are like Italia and actually pay. Tickets also are now very easy to get hold of.
Understand the problem you mentioned above but Wasps failure is not the answer.
You really think no Wasps fans were against the move? Did you even look at their forum when they move was announced (and before they started banning anyone who objected). Plenty of people saying they would never go again. Of course if Wasps were to release figures showing us that 100% of season ticket holders from Wycombe have renewed you might have some evidence to support your opinion.
Why? If Wasps fail, and either cease to exist or move elsewhere, there will be an empty stadium in Coventry. Would that not be a good position for the football and whoever its owner at the time is to find themselves in?
What new owner? Sisu have tied up there debt in CCFC for any new owner
Get real.
You think SISU are going to be here forever? You think at some point in the 250 years of the Ricoh lease we won't be taken over by someone else?
No it means that people want Wasps to fail because CCFC has failed.
We can't have it so neither can you, if you like.
Understand the problem you mentioned above but Wasps failure is not the answer.
Why would any Coventry fan want them to succeed, get 25-30k week in week out, become the biggest and premier club in Coventry? Because is that does happen, we're we'll and truly fucked.
I'm not clutching. You have claimed in this thread there is zero possibility of Wasps not honouring their agreement to play in the city which lasts for 250 years. You validated this point by stating no public money was being spent on stadiums yet I've shown you several, in cities it was suggested on this thread Wasps could be successful.
The point, which you either can't understand or are choosing to ignore, is that it is absolutely impossible for you, me or anyone else to be certain what will happen in the future.
You really think no Wasps fans were against the move? Did you even look at their forum when they move was announced (and before they started banning anyone who objected). Plenty of people saying they would never go again. Of course if Wasps were to release figures showing us that 100% of season ticket holders from Wycombe have renewed you might have some evidence to support your opinion.
Also remember some of our fans who had been shouting fix football and dribbling about speaking to Wimbledon fans then saying they didn't give a shit about wasps fans because they had a great time.Oh I'm sure there were SOME. I remember one or two kicking up but I remember them also being largely ignored not just by the wider Rugby community but also there own fan base. I'm certainly not counting Sickboys imaginary friends in the count.
The truth is the Rugby community couldn't care less, in fact they seemed to embrace the idea on the whole if anything. I don't agree with what's happened but the people I expected to be bothered about it simply aren't.
Also remember some of our fans who had been shouting fix football and dribbling about speaking to Wimbledon fans then saying they didn't give a shit about wasps fans because they had a great time.
Also remember some city fans being outraged at the move one week because they thought that would be the way to react, then being wasps fans of the month the next.
I agree, I expected others to be bothered because of their views about us but some do their best to defend wasps move but if we moved 2cm over the coventry boundary they would go ape shit.
I'm not clutching. You have claimed in this thread there is zero possibility of Wasps not honouring their agreement to play in the city which lasts for 250 years. You validated this point by stating no public money was being spent on stadiums yet I've shown you several, in cities it was suggested on this thread Wasps could be successful.
The point, which you either can't understand or are choosing to ignore, is that it is absolutely impossible for you, me or anyone else to be certain what will happen in the future.
So are these stadium's being built as part of a predetermined plan for something or are they being built to be left empty in the hope of enticing a sports team into franchising there? What's the spec on these stadiums? Are they going to be equal to or better than The Ricoh so that they make more financial sense than the Ricoh on paper? They would have to be wouldn't they? In your scenario you're peddling they would move us if they owned us if there's a financial gain. Do these new stadium you talk about offer that prospect? Yes or no? Or is it still just you clutching at straws to try and sell a make believe, never going to happen story. I'm sure Grendull and sickboy will buy it.
No I'm saying that it is highly unlikely now that Sisu have tied up the debt in the club if sold.
If I read it right I guess we have £2M assets and £45M of debt. No one is going to bid £47M.
I guess your plan is for Wasps to fail, ACL to be forced into administration, CCC to forfeit the freehold, Sisu to buy it, Sisu to package up the club and the Ricoh and sell it as a package to clear the debt ?
Or, what is your vision ?
I'm not sure if you're just playing dumb or genuinely don't understand. The Ricoh wasn't build to be left empty until Wasps turned up was it? But situations change and that's what ended up happening. What you are asserting is that over the 250 year term on the Ricoh there is zero chance of a single stadium in the UK being available to Wasps. What about if we have another Commenwealth Games or Olympics? All I have said is if a better option presents itself to Wasps there is nothing to suggest they wouldn't move again.
In my scenario, which isn't really my scenario just a possibility, where have I said Wasps would move CCFC? Again it could happen or they might cast us aside. Wasps primary concern is Wasps and their own financial interests. If they became owners of CCFC and then later decided to move Wasps who is to say they would take us with them.
I am not saying it will happen or even that it is likely to happen just that it is a possibility. I don't see how you can rule that out. Things change and the situation years, decades or even centuries down the line may be very different to the one at present.
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