Back to being the biggest club in Coventry? (1 Viewer)

[Moff]

With our current owners and financial problems stadium ownership is not the way forward it's a bigger hole and I'm sure I dont need to tell you that if you're in a hole stop digging.

I assume you want SISU to stay as owners then?

As I see it, the only way the club will be viable to an investor is matching it up with a stadium, say for exmaples sake the Ricoh. This would hopefully attract new investment/owners, and the back of SISU, or are you happy for them to hold the club forever as a means of an offset for their other buisnesses.

I know that is a simplistic view but it is as accuarte as the other 'facts' that people peddle on here as the truth.

 

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[skybluetony176]

How has renting matchday only with little access to additional revenues served us in the last decade?

We just need to keep our options open until we see a business case either way.


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Don't disagree with that. Three years should be more than long enough to do that. A few choice sound bites such as propco opco don't actually tell you anything.

 

[chiefdave]

Again and neither do you. It's all supposition. Only you don't seem to have learned anything from not just SISU's ownership but also previous ownership and are throwing caution to the wind. You're championing repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results. It's madness. We're not even in as good a place as we were last time a new stadium was talked about.

I'm not throwing caution to the wind or championing anything. I'm saying keep our options open and get as much reliable information as possible to make an informed choice.

Although in terms of 'repeating the same mistakes' if we could have an outlay of £10m and get a stadium complex like the Ricoh in return I would absolutely make that 'mistake' again. However I wouldn't be overspending at the same time so we end up needed to hand ownership of the stadium over to someone else.

 

[skybluetony176]

They have seen figures for our previous Championship seasons, they have seen figures for 91 other clubs, they have seen what happened to Stockport. Can they be 100% certain, of course not, but that doesn't mean anything should be ruled out.

You mean our previous championship seasons where we had an unaffordable rent deal and an even more unaffordable wage bill? How is that comparable when it in no way reflects our current situation?

 

[skybluetony176]

You are aware we aren't the only football club in the country aren't you?

Yes. So like I said, they're generalising. They have nothing specific to compare our CURRENT arrangement at the Ricoh to. It's all supposition.

 

[skybluetony176]

I'm not throwing caution to the wind or championing anything. I'm saying keep our options open and get as much reliable information as possible to make an informed choice.

Although in terms of 'repeating the same mistakes' if we could have an outlay of £10m and get a stadium complex like the Ricoh in return I would absolutely make that 'mistake' again. However I wouldn't be overspending at the same time so we end up needed to hand ownership of the stadium over to someone else.

You're using an out of date business model for the Ricoh and a generalisation of how other clubs do it because of the lack of an actual business plan to form your arguments and opinion. If that's not throwing caution to the wind I don't know what is.

 

[chiefdave]

You're using an out of date business model for the Ricoh and a generalisation of how other clubs do it because of the lack of an actual business plan to form your arguments and opinion. If that's not throwing caution to the wind I don't know what is.

No I'm not. My argument and opinion is that we should stay open to all possibilities and be provided with as much current information, that stands up to scrutiny, as possible.

 

[italiahorse]

Stadium ownership if managed and run correctly will increase the budget therefore allowing us more money to spend. This in turn with the correct manager will allow us to be more competitive. If the club is also run right it should minimise any further debt being placed on the club. Also bit rich when you say Dave has been suckered in, your best mate Italia has gone from SISU lover to SISU hater. Gone from moral outrage at the Northampton move to season ticket with Wasps. Think you're better advising your mate about being suckered in!

Balderdash...... What about the stadium debt ?

Sisu were okay when they took us over but since they moved us I want them out.
Better to change your opinion on them than to follow their bull5hit blindly.
Most CCFC fans were outraged with Northampton.
Most CCFC fans are not happy that Wasps have our stadium but understand how Sisu gambled with our club and lost.

 

[Nick]

Balderdash...... What about the stadium debt ?

Sisu were okay when they took us over but since they moved us I want them out.
Better to change your opinion on them than to follow their bull5hit blindly.
Most CCFC fans were outraged with Northampton.
Most CCFC fans are not happy that Wasps have our stadium but understand how Sisu gambled with our club and lost.

Some ccfc fans have short memoriEs and now look a bit hypocritical.

I remember a blinding post from one saying if anybody went to watch ccfc at Bermuda they were selfish.

The next line saying they didn't care about wasps fans, and they had a great day watching them.

 

[italiahorse]

League one football with the odd season in the championship all courtesy of Wasps, SISU, CCC and the Higgs. Whilst sitting in either a yellow or black seat looking across at the other stand and seeing Wasps wrote in the seats. Walking around the Ricoh and only seeing Wasps memorabilia. The problem is, you don't seem to have a problem with any of that. In fact you seem to have embraced it.

We are building our own stadium so they have no reason to consider us when changes need to me made.
Perhaps if you told Sisu to stop pi55ing around we could at least talk to Wasps about including us in future decisions.

As for Wasps, I realise they are here for the long term and I'm lucky enough to be able to rise above it and enjoy the occasion.

Stay bitter and twisted if it makes you fell better but I've moving on even though I have no idea what our future is after 2 years.

 

[Nick]

We are building our own stadium so they have no reason to consider us when changes need to me made.
Perhaps if you told Sisu to stop pi55ing around we could at least talk to Wasps about including us in future decisions.

As for Wasps, I realise they are here for the long term and I'm lucky enough to be able to rise above it and enjoy the occasion.

Stay bitter and twisted if it makes you fell better but I've moving on even though I have no idea what our future is after 2 years.

Lucky enough to be profiting from it, I doubt you would feel the same if they played on the other side of the city

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

No, I'm saying people need to get a new stadium out their system and at least push Sisu on our future instead of following their bullshit like lemmings.

Saying you want/would like/would be happy with a new stadium is different to believing it will happen under SISU, don't think many if any are actually buying there bullshit that progress is being made on the new stadium under SISU

We need a new owner who can deliver the dream new stadium.

 

[Nick]

Saying you want/would like/would be happy with a new stadium is different to believing it will happen under SISU, don't think many if any are actually buying there bullshit that progress is being made on the new stadium under SISU

We need a new owner who can deliver the dream new stadium.

Exactly, who wouldn't want to sit in a ccfc branded stadium like the emirates.

 

[italiahorse]

I would rather we had our own stadium than play in an increasing Wasps branded stadium, that is absolutely correct. However if it is shown that staying at the Ricoh under Wasps is the best option then that would be the route I would support, albeit while hoping for Wasps to fail or a billionaire owner to come along.

That's why we need to commit for 10 years so we can be involved in Ricoh future changes.

a) SISU won't be our owners forever b) you don't know what the best option is

They will be difficult to get rid of. If I read it right they have tied the debt we owe them into the club so any buyer will need to buy that as well.
I'm not assuming it is better, why are you pushing for us to sign up long term under Wasps without similar information to show that is a better option?

IMHO The only reason they are talking of a new stadium is because of the legals. I just wish they would get this out the way and attempt to give us a plan for the future

 

[chiefdave]

Sisu were okay when they took us over but since they moved us I want them out.

I assume you also want Richardson out at your beloved Wasps then?

We are building our own stadium so they have no reason to consider us when changes need to me made.

Maybe you can tell us which of the rebranding work was a change that had to be made?

As for Wasps, I realise they are here for the long term and I'm lucky enough to be able to profit from it.

How can you be certain they are here for the long term? Did't they have a stake in Loftus Road when they were playing there, didn't stop them leaving. In fact didn't their financial problems begin when they took out finance against their share in Loftus Road and it later turned out that in the prospectus they have massively overstated the value of the ground?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I assume you also want Richardson out at your beloved Wasps then?

Nah, he didn't even know who they were before 2014. He will only want him out if Richardson ever tries to move Wasps away from their spiritual home of Coventry.

 

[italiahorse]

Lucky enough to be profiting from it, I doubt you would feel the same if they played on the other side of the city

I do enjoy the rugby experience and your right free parking is a benefit.
I would probably not bother if I had to drive, say to the Butts.

 

[italiahorse]

Nah, he didn't even know who they were before 2014. He will only want him out if Richardson ever tries to move Wasps away from their spiritual home of Coventry.

Warwickshire Wasps will be at the Land Rover Stadium for a few years to come. Mark my words.
While we wait for the Sisu master plan lets just enjoy the football ........... and the Rugby if you can.

 

[stupot07]

Warwickshire Wasps will be at the Land Rover Stadium for a few years to come. Mark my words.
While we wait for the Sisu master plan lets just enjoy the football ........... and the Rugby if you can.

A Warwickshire team playing outside Warwickshire - you should boycott for that.

Unless you're suggesting wasps are going to move out of Coventry and into brand new stadium? If so, Brilliant news!!!

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[Nick]

A Warwickshire team playing outside Warwickshire - you should boycott for that.


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Couldn't make it up really.

 

[italiahorse]

Couldn't make it up really.

If people believe a new 15.000 stadium outside Coventry is the way forward I'm sure they will believe anything.

 

[Moff]

Warwickshire Wasps

I take it geography was never your strong point.

 

[covmark]

I really don't know why you lot bite. The bloke is a grade A cock, but you still humour him.
Ignore the twat and he'll get bored.

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[italiahorse]

I take it geography was never your strong point.

I struggle to find my way back to the home most nights

 

[italiahorse]

I really don't know why you lot bite. The bloke is a grade A cock, but you still humour him.
Ignore the twat and he'll get bored.

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I think biting is when you have to resort to insults and bad language. Oh hold on .....
At least they are trying to put me right.
The Warwickshire bit was a wind up hence the .

 

[Sick Boy]

Just found this corker on the Telegraph...what an idiot!

Clearly, 50 years of supporting CCFC have blinkered the eyes of Christine McGrath (Letters, May 13). I bet she can’t wait till August to see how else the owners have degraded her further as a supporter.

At least Wasps had the decency to drop the ‘London’ from their name when they moved to Coventry. When Coventry City moved to Northampton, they retained the name ‘Coventry’ and if they move to Rugby, they may well do the same.

Where’s the hypocrisy now? Surely the name of a team should represent the town or city where they play?

With Wasps having the confidence of investors for their oversubscribed bond scheme - that raised enough money to pay off their debts - you can’t help but think that there are now several degrees of angst and jealousy in these blinkered fans’ minds.

Brian Taylor,

Trevose Avenue, Bedworth.

 

[stupot07]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha that is so funny on so many levels.


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[Nick]

Just found this corker on the Telegraph...what an idiot!

Clearly, 50 years of supporting CCFC have blinkered the eyes of Christine McGrath (Letters, May 13). I bet she can’t wait till August to see how else the owners have degraded her further as a supporter.

At least Wasps had the decency to drop the ‘London’ from their name when they moved to Coventry. When Coventry City moved to Northampton, they retained the name ‘Coventry’ and if they move to Rugby, they may well do the same.

Where’s the hypocrisy now? Surely the name of a team should represent the town or city where they play?

With Wasps having the confidence of investors for their oversubscribed bond scheme - that raised enough money to pay off their debts - you can’t help but think that there are now several degrees of angst and jealousy in these blinkered fans’ minds.

Brian Taylor,

Trevose Avenue, Bedworth.

I don't think he realises it was only a temporary move to Northampton, why would the name change?

I can see the fans being very degraded if we get promoted.

 

[stupot07]

I don't think he realises it was only a temporary move to Northampton, why would the name change?

I can see the fans being very degraded if we get promoted.

Or that the bonds and interest are a debt......now a bigger debt than they previously owed.

And there's nothing wrong with moving A club away from its community, as long as you change the name.

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[Nick]

It just goes to show that some people only have the telegraph for their source of information though. I am sure there are many like it.

 

[stupot07]

Someone's changed the wiki page, apparently our capacity is only 21k at the Ricoh....

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[skybluetony176]

Someone's changed the wiki page, apparently our capacity is only 21k at the Ricoh....

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Must be taking the closed stand and segregation into consideration.

 

[stupot07]

Must be taking the closed stand and segregation into consideration.

Still not true though. I would be interested to know who did it and what the motivation was.


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[Nick]

Must be taking the closed stand and segregation into consideration.

With the closed stand and segregation it would be a lot less than 21,000.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just found this corker on the Telegraph...what an idiot!

Clearly, 50 years of supporting CCFC have blinkered the eyes of Christine McGrath (Letters, May 13). I bet she can’t wait till August to see how else the owners have degraded her further as a supporter.

At least Wasps had the decency to drop the ‘London’ from their name when they moved to Coventry. When Coventry City moved to Northampton, they retained the name ‘Coventry’ and if they move to Rugby, they may well do the same.

Where’s the hypocrisy now? Surely the name of a team should represent the town or city where they play?

With Wasps having the confidence of investors for their oversubscribed bond scheme - that raised enough money to pay off their debts - you can’t help but think that there are now several degrees of angst and jealousy in these blinkered fans’ minds.

Brian Taylor,

Trevose Avenue, Bedworth.

Thick Beduff twat.