I'mARealWizard
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He's showing manners, decency and respect.
Which anyone who is socially developed would recognise.
Well ain't you just a big bundle of fun.
Disagree - the Ts and Cs on your ticket state that foul and abusive language isn't allowed in the ground. If you choose to break the rule by swearing, why should I have to move away from a seat I have bought? You don't have any right to swear in a football ground, just as you don't in a library or a museum. I should be able to sit wherever I like within the ground.
Clearly I am in a minority and I accept that, as people think it is an acceptable part and parcel of watching live football. However, 30 years ago the same could be said of racism, and now anyone using racist abuse in the Ricoh would be rightly turned on by other fans and thrown out & banned.
So I can see what you say, but I personally find it offensive and don't like how the club and FL rules are flouted by people who wrongly think they are entitled to swear as part of "freedom of speech".
He's showing manners, decency and respect.
Which anyone who is socially developed would recognise.
Oh here he comes old spunky bum with his holier than thou attitude.
Holier than thou?
Seriously?
If you are in a private place, then feel free to behave and use your limited vocabulary as much as you like.
When you engage with other people in public places, expect to behave in a manner that is conducive to a harmonious and functioning society.
People don't have the right to display vulgar,aggressive and offensive characteristics because someone didn't make a decent cross.
Seriously, a society is about people pulling together and being considerate to others to enhance their shared environment.
Not people saying 'I don't give a fuck about others so I'll act anyway I choose'.
You have no reason to expect to be allowed to conduct yourself in this manner. It certainly isn't a right of any sort.
Jesus I bet your kids love you.
Sure, feel free to make a comment about me rather than the issues I've raised.
Holier than thou?
Seriously?
If you are in a private place, then feel free to behave and use your limited vocabulary as much as you like.
When you engage with other people in public places, expect to behave in a manner that is conducive to a harmonious and functioning society.
People don't have the right to display vulgar,aggressive and offensive characteristics because someone didn't make a decent cross.
Seriously, a society is about people pulling together and being considerate to others to enhance their shared environment.
Not people saying 'I don't give a feck about others so I'll act anyway I choose'.
You have no reason to expect to be allowed to conduct yourself in this manner. It certainly isn't a right of any sort.
No point arguing with you because you think you're completely 100% right and I'm not in the mood for going in circles.
Swearing is a common occurrence in football and with the fan base football clubs have especially in the lower leagues your lectures on society aren't gunna change a thing so whatever. Deal with it or go watch the rugby.
I'm not a huge swearer myself (as in the stronger end of the scale, 'shit' is too fun a word to count) but if people want to, let them. If they're screaming blue murder right next to little kids it's a bit odd, but the vast majority don't seem to do so.
Of course I think that I'm right. As do you.
It's not arguing. It's putting across your point of view and challenging what someone else thinks on a matter. It's called discussion.
But if you don't have anything to come back with, that's cool. No need to be so snippety.
Rugby was equally as bad as football, yet the authorities cleared that up.
I'm just wondering where you draw the line. Is it ok to swear and curse when you go to a gig and don't like the songs being played? Or if you go to the theatre? Or a stand-up comedian and start heckling him or her? :thinking about:
I don't swear at football you're making assumptions haha I'm just aware that I have no right to tell people what they should or shouldn't be doing with grey words like swearing.
They're Grey words used to express emotion rather than personal attacks in my opinion, you seem to get devastated at the idea somebody said the C word or F word, to me they just don't register as anything that vary from any other word. It's when people start actually using personal attacks where I draw the line, imagine somebody trying to start a chant to Lampard about his dead mother, thats personal, not calling him a fucking twat when he scores against you.
As far as the child argument goes I'm sure the parents are well aware of the common atmospheres at football matches and if they're really shocked at somebody swearing in front of their special unique little snowflake they shouldn't have taken them to the football anyway.
Nonsense on stilts.
In a public place, people don't have a right to be offensive. Swearing isn't a grey area. It's an expected norm that you don't use offensive language in front of people you don't know. You wouldn't swear in front of a doctor, in court, in church, in office spaces, to your parents, to the teachers of your children...
So why should some people deem it suitable to be shouting it out loud in a public arena?
And why should people be deterred from attending a football game because of the inconsiderate lowest common denominators? Whether they take children or not?
Kind of response expected from you Last Garrison. Can imagine a few walking across the street to avoid you. You're part of the problem.
But they do have a right to because they live in a free country...
This forms the basis of your ill thought out ideas.
You don't live in a free society.
All aspects of your life are governed by rules and laws.
You are not free to behave in an inconsiderate and offensive manner. Thinking that you do doesn't make it so
This is why we're going around in circles because we have different views on the severity of swearing and instead of having this discussion you spoke about you're just being condescending and not even acknowledging my point of view that it's not as bad to most people as it is to you and some others. But whatever, I can go to a match and enjoy myself watching my team play instead of being bothered by everyone else at the game, hope you have a good life and feel fulfillment one day by fixing these massive problems in your life, bye.
I thought that you would have recognised that answering your point would have us continuing in ever decreasing circles.
No doubt, you haven't found the time to ask everyone ever whether they find swearing offensive. Neither have I.
So neither you nor I can claim to be an authority on the issue and have the final say.
The only caveat being that if there are situations (like the ones that I already mentioned that you must have missed due to your casual reading) where no one of sound mind would really entertain swearing, then it must still be a socially accepted norm that swearing is offensive.
And you only find me condescending if you allow yourself to be condescended
For anyone that conplains at swearing at matches how about complaining about the players who tell the ref to f**k off first
I see how some think I am thick because I swear. It seems to be a release of tension to me. I don't think about swearing before I do it. We have family areas at grounds. Any idea why? I want to take my 2 year old to a game, but can't trust myself to go in the family areas. If you have kids take them where they are safer. If you are easily offended how about going in there yourself. Should I stop going to games as the occasional bad word comes out of my mouth?
this post would of been laughed at in the 80's.
Not being harsh Cookie but why not just exercise a bit more self control, rather than inflicting your swearing on the people sat around you? After all, are you going to be proud of your kid when he/she grows up and starts using foul language back at you?
First of all I am not Cookie :facepalm:
Secondly I have 7 kids. My eldest is 26. My youngest is two. Is there anything you think you can tell me about kids?
If you are at Yeovil you will be able to meet my 24 year old lad.....24 yesterday that is. He is on leave from the army from Friday and meeting me there. Too late to get him a ticket, but will be having a few jars with me......the one I have mentioned about on here a few times......the Motherwell fan Try telling me that he is like me. The eldest 4 are all adults now. None of them have been in any trouble of any kind. You may get the rare swearword out of him, but that is it.
My eldest is 26 and an accountant. She was headhunted by a large company last year. She is the youngest in her large office, but recently got put in charge of it.
My 19 year old lad is training as a mechanic, and is well ahead of where he should be.
My 18 year old lad is at Uni.
My 10 year old daughter took her SATS 2 years early. Her lowest section of it put her at the level that an 11 year old should be at. Her best section put her where a 14 year old should be at.
The youngest two are 2 and 3. No idea yet
Not bad I suppose for having a father that is known to swear.
First of all I am not Cookie :facepalm:
Secondly I have 7 kids. My eldest is 26. My youngest is two. Is there anything you think you can tell me about kids?
If you are at Yeovil you will be able to meet my 24 year old lad.....24 yesterday that is. He is on leave from the army from Friday and meeting me there. Too late to get him a ticket, but will be having a few jars with me......the one I have mentioned about on here a few times......the Motherwell fan Try telling me that he is like me. The eldest 4 are all adults now. None of them have been in any trouble of any kind. You may get the rare swearword out of him, but that is it.
My eldest is 26 and an accountant. She was headhunted by a large company last year. She is the youngest in her large office, but recently got put in charge of it.
My 19 year old lad is training as a mechanic, and is well ahead of where he should be.
My 18 year old lad is at Uni.
My 10 year old daughter took her SATS 2 years early at 9. Her lowest section of it put her at the level that an 11 year old should be at. Her best section put her where a 14 year old should be at.
The youngest two are 2 and 3. No idea yet
Not bad I suppose for having a father that is known to swear.
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