Danceswithhorses
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...and then we started playing him out of position on the wing, thus affecting his goal scoring record
...and then we started playing him out of position on the wing, thus affecting his goal scoring recordMorrell was held in high regard because he scored a fair number of goals just after signing
Given that society as a whole has more than its fair share of racist people, does it not stand to reason that there will be at least some racist fans?
And some fans will judge some players unfairly due to the colour of their skin. It really isn’t worth arguing against that point. Surely?
Im not saying all CCFC fans are racist, but some are. No doubt about it.
Given that society as a whole has more than its fair share of racist people, does it not stand to reason that there will be at least some racist fans?
And some fans will judge some players unfairly due to the colour of their skin. It really isn’t worth arguing against that point. Surely?
Im not saying all CCFC fans are racist, but some are. No doubt about it.
So your saying a large majority of city supporters who don’t rate bakayoko are racist?Given that society as a whole has more than its fair share of racist people, does it not stand to reason that there will be at least some racist fans?
And some fans will judge some players unfairly due to the colour of their skin. It really isn’t worth arguing against that point. Surely?
Im not saying all CCFC fans are racist, but some are. No doubt about it.
I’m pretty sure they’re not saying that.So your saying a large majority of city supporters who don’t rate bakayoko are racist?
So was Kevin KyleJay Bothroyd was lazy and crap.
Which bit do you find so incredible?Wtf???
So was Kevin Kyle
Then it wouldn’t be even.Do I have to try and think of another black player to keep it even?
Then it wouldn’t be even.
I’d love to know how you got that from what I actually said.So your saying a large majority of city supporters who don’t rate bakayoko are racist?
I was trying to work out wtf it had to do with my post but you wasnt replying to me. Helpful if you'd quoted as you did in this one!Which bit do you find so incredible?
I was trying to work out wtf it had to do with my post but you wasnt replying to me. Helpful if you'd quoted as you did in this one!
I actually replied about the pist, but it's all got lost amongsy more he said she said is racist isn't racist waffle
Did you actually read my post? My post has fk all to do with racism this is about Baka, i brought it back on track, but its again lost!Was a general comment on the thread rather than a reply to a specific individual. Just find it strange that people will deny that racism is ‘a thing’. And given that it is a thing (I’m not even gonna question that statement of fact) it seems pretty obvious that it is also a thing with our fans, who are a subset of the general population after all.
It’s not even an arguable or controversial point, it just is.
And no, I’m not saying all Cov fans are racist, that we’re worse than any other set of fans or any other over the top statement. Just that it exists. Because it does.
Was a general comment on the thread rather than a reply to a specific individual. Just find it strange that people will deny that racism is ‘a thing’. And given that it is a thing (I’m not even gonna question that statement of fact) it seems pretty obvious that it is also a thing with our fans, who are a subset of the general population after all.
It’s not even an arguable or controversial point, it just is.
And no, I’m not saying all Cov fans are racist, that we’re worse than any other set of fans or any other over the top statement. Just that it exists. Because it does.
Jesus christ Shmmeee, what questions does it raise? Is this is serious post??
Wow...
Again, it wasn’t a response to your post but the thread in general. Apologies if I confused you.Did you actually read my post? My post has fk all to do with racism this is about Baka, i brought it back on track, but its again lost!
Nobody is denying racism is "a thing", but why would you bring racism up as a topic in a thread about Amadou Bakayoko then make out the two things aren't linked? It just feels you are making this about Baka's skin colour rather then fans discussing Baka's ability as footballer.
Just out of curiosity, how does one criticise Bakayoko without being “racist”? Or is he exempt because he’s not white?A glance at Baka’s stats would show you he’s been prolific this season. Godden meanwhile has failed to get going at all.
I hope it’s not racism, but when four strikers are doing equally poorly and the white one gets let off it does raise some questions.
Just out of curiosity, how does one criticise Bakayoko without being “racist”? Or is he exempt because he’s not white?
As others have stated, apart from scoring in the last few games he’s been hugely underwhelming throughout his time here and is therefore justifiably open to criticism.
Also, the man gets paid to play football for a living by mainly white people while consistently underperforming. He’s hardly the victim you and others are so keen to paint him as.
People like you who keep pushing the racism narrative where it clearly doesn’t exist are the problem, not the solution.
I think bornslippy has summed it up pretty well. Racism is a thing. More than one person has noted black players seem to get shorter shrift. I’d hope it’s not racism but when you have three black lads and one white all doing the same thing and people seem to let the white lad off and pile on the black lads it’s fair to ask the question.
We are allowed to discuss it. We should always check our biases. If you can justify it to yourself you’re golden, if you get highly offended at the mere suggestion then maybe you need to ask why. No one is saying all fans are racist, but that there are racist fans and maybe just maybe they are quicker to slate black players.
Not all racism in football is monkey noises and bananas. Some of it is subtle.
As for Baka, his goal scoring record is good, he has good attributes, and he’s playing at a higher level than Godden was at his age. He’s doing OK.
I’ll try. It’s the words used.Just out of curiosity, how does one criticise Bakayoko without being “racist”? Or is he exempt because he’s not
As others have stated, apart from scoring in the last few games he’s been hugely underwhelming throughout his time here and is therefore justifiably open to criticism.
Also, the man gets paid to play football for a living by mainly white people while consistently underperforming. He’s hardly the victim you and others are so keen to paint him as.
People like you who keep pushing the racism narrative where it clearly doesn’t exist are the problem, not the solution.
I agree with you that labelling Dabo as lazy is an odd thing to do. I also think that Bakayoko, for all of his faults, actually works really hard in games, as does Hiwula. The problem is that that there are no doubt players who don’t put themselves about as much as they should. I felt sometimes that Stern John did not work as hard as he could or should have. My view is based on the way I felt he played, nothing to do with the colour of his skin.I’ll try. It’s the words used.
so it always used to be black this or that or irish this or that rather than just being the thing one asserted. People now understand why this isn’t ok.
We now have certain words like lazy or disinterested or laid back being used implying a characteristic of a particular race.
It’s not blatant racism it’s just poor language skills I think.
So for me it’s fine to say dabo made a mistake letting the ball slip under his boot but to shout at him for being lazy is not ok and you have to question why it’s said.
It’s not as bad as it was in the 70’s when I started watching but around me many fans treat black players differently, judging them more harshly. However as Grendel has made clear there are fans favourites and boo boys that don’t fit this model.
I think bornslippy has summed it up pretty well. Racism is a thing. More than one person has noted black players seem to get shorter shrift. I’d hope it’s not racism but when you have three black lads and one white all doing the same thing and people seem to let the white lad off and pile on the black lads it’s fair to ask the question.
We are allowed to discuss it. We should always check our biases. If you can justify it to yourself you’re golden, if you get highly offended at the mere suggestion then maybe you need to ask why. No one is saying all fans are racist, but that there are racist fans and maybe just maybe they are quicker to slate black players.
Not all racism in football is monkey noises and bananas. Some of it is subtle.
As for Baka, his goal scoring record is good, he has good attributes, and he’s playing at a higher level than Godden was at his age. He’s doing OK.
Has it not occurred to you that perhaps it’s because he averaged a goal every ten games and came with less than favourable reviews?My point was that A. Bakayoko was written off far too soon by some, even before he'd kicked a ball for us in some cases. B. Some of the criticism of his attitude and that he was lazy seemed at odds with his actual performance on the pitch. Seemed to be stereotyped. Not saying if you criticise him you are racist. Just base it in facts.
What the fuck is your point about being paid by mainly white people about?
Incredible how everyone knows exactly what everyone else is thinking and what their intentions are in this thread. And such a coincidence it fits with their own side of the argument as well.
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