Be careful out there, lads.... (4 Viewers)
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Mumford and Daughter
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football hooligism is not that bad yet fans get treated worse then nonces and peados
3 years for a fight up the football but a fight in a pub you get a slap wrist
rapists get less time then football hooligans and who do you think is mroe of a threat to society ?
the scene is almost over now , you get the odd bit but nothing major
3 years for a fight up the football but a fight in a pub you get a slap wrist
rapists get less time then football hooligans and who do you think is mroe of a threat to society ?
the scene is almost over now , you get the odd bit but nothing major
mark82
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Agree with your point but hooliganism should not be taken lightly. Innocent people and/or their property can get caught up in it through no fault of their own.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Should it get much more than the other crimes he refers to?
Mumford and Daughter
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look at society
burglars and robbers get community service - who’s more of a threat to us? burglars or football hooligans ?
rapists get 2 years - who’s more of a threat to society? rapists or football hooligans ?
nonce’s get 2-3 years - who’s more of a threat to society? rapists or football hooligans ?
football hooligans fighting like minded people get 3 years and have to hand passports in , banned from town centres
a question to all on here , when was the last time you witnessed or caught up in trouble , its very very rare nowadays , i see more trouble in my local then i do up the ricoh
mark82
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Definitely not.
mark82
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As I said I don't think that it is worse than most the above, maybe on a par with burglary due to the damage it can and has caused. Rapists & paedo's should get more time inside, not the other crimes less. Don't see why people think hooliganism is acceptable.
Mumford and Daughter
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who is saying its acceptable ?
merely saying its a very low end crime but the sentances dished out are ridiclous and a waste of tax payers money
people who think hooligans are scum of the earth need to get a grip , simple as that
mark82
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No, rapists, murderers and paedo's are scum of the earth. Hooligans are just idiots who do not think of the consequences of their actions. It can, and has, ended in deaths and serious injuries to people so why should it not carry a jail sentence.
rob9872
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Can someone enlighten me on the sentences passed down please since I have no knowledge. Are the 3 year sentences for first time offenders?
I would imagine that the average Joe on the street who has a ruck at the football, would get a fine, slap on the wrist or short custodial, whereas many of the larger sentences (I would assume but don't know) are attributed to those who have a list of previous and are often involved in other more serious or even organised crime and just this time happens to be football.
As I say, I don't know so if anyone can provide some example case links, then I would like to take a look.
I would imagine that the average Joe on the street who has a ruck at the football, would get a fine, slap on the wrist or short custodial, whereas many of the larger sentences (I would assume but don't know) are attributed to those who have a list of previous and are often involved in other more serious or even organised crime and just this time happens to be football.
As I say, I don't know so if anyone can provide some example case links, then I would like to take a look.
Mumford and Daughter
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when was the last time somebody was murdered at a football match ?
theres more murders and serious injuries caused on a saturday night up town or in a local pub then at the football .
also i agree if a serious injury is caused at a match a jail sentance should be issued but most fights up the football last 30 seconds at most and most injuries are a black eye or bloody nose , wouldnt call serious
some of the football lads i know are the nicest blokes you meet and great company and on a normal day then law abiding citizens
mark82
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I would expect you are probably correct. The 3 year sentence I woul imagine is repeat offender or someone who has caused serious injury.
rob9872
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Where it gets dangerous is when people compare sentences accross different crimes.
For example rape. Now don't get me wrong, this is a vile and serious offence which should carry harsh penalties, but when I see people campaigning that the sentences should be equivalent to life, then imo they simply don't understand.
By making the sentence for rape and murder the same, all you will achieve is to have more people murdered, since the rapist will assume that the risk is the same and he can shut them up completely from offering any evidence.
For example rape. Now don't get me wrong, this is a vile and serious offence which should carry harsh penalties, but when I see people campaigning that the sentences should be equivalent to life, then imo they simply don't understand.
By making the sentence for rape and murder the same, all you will achieve is to have more people murdered, since the rapist will assume that the risk is the same and he can shut them up completely from offering any evidence.
mark82
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By "football lads" I assume you mean hooligans. If I spent most my time being a law abiding citizen, then breaking into cars occasionally I am still breaking the law. I know most of it is girly handbags and running away but if damage is done to a person or property then a jail sentence is most definitely appropriate. Maybe not 3 years but I trust our judges to hand out punishment based on the severity of the crime.
rob9872
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Pretty unsure why you have linked that one. I have googled the names of the bigger sentences and almost all were already listed for football related violence, drug dealing, gang membership ... certainly not solicitors, accopuntants and doctors that the ill-educated always try to portray as the villains of the peace in almost all hooligan articles. As suspected those are the ones who end up getting caught up in the heat of the moment as red-blooded males who have testosterone flowing through them. I'm not condoning or excusing their behaviour, but unless they've caused serious injury, I'm sure the police and courts can easily differentiate between them and the real criminals and sentences are handed down accordingly.
mark82
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Most the punishments seem reasonably fair.
“Members of the public were seen in the street frozen in fear, including a group of pedestrians with baby buggies waiting to cross the road.”
That is not acceptable. Most those with the longest sentences had used weapons of some sort which could have been deadly. It wasn't but it could have been. It was organised so was pre-meditated which always carries longer sentences than heat of the moment incidents. Nice to see this type of crime taken seriously.
“Members of the public were seen in the street frozen in fear, including a group of pedestrians with baby buggies waiting to cross the road.”
That is not acceptable. Most those with the longest sentences had used weapons of some sort which could have been deadly. It wasn't but it could have been. It was organised so was pre-meditated which always carries longer sentences than heat of the moment incidents. Nice to see this type of crime taken seriously.
Mumford and Daughter
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servierty of the crime ? having a fight with someone is not severe
id personally say more people are affected by car and house crime then hooligans
what you and others have to remember no innocent people get caught up in the trouble , its like minded individuals looking for trouble with each other
never do you see hooligans target random fans but the way there portrayed is 100x worse then what actually occurs
Mumford and Daughter
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I linked that one because it was first on google ,
Ill get more and see , why waste 3 years of tax payers money to fund someone who likes a fight at the football
If they drug deal then i agree they should be sentenced to prison but for fighting ?
mark82
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“Members of the public were seen in the street frozen in fear, including a group of pedestrians with baby buggies waiting to cross the road.”
That is innocent people impacted. Even if they are not targeted. Property damage, which is inevitable, is innocent people being impacted.
rob9872
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I will agree that this is unusual and mostly its media hype created for a story which is why the sentences are harsh sometimes to appeal to middle England as nicely boxed up and delivered stampdown to appease the masses who don't attend football.
In fact when I was in Portugal for Euro 2004 (not fighting btw - on holiday with my wife and just following the England games around) we were talking to some French lads who had been offered money by English journalists (€uro 100 each) to start a brawl with the England fans so that they could be there to photograph it.
Mumford and Daughter
New Member
journalists sensationalising
did you watch the video , i didnt see any random people scared and running away
and it was handbags at most
mark82
Super Moderator
Why not for fighting? It is still a crime. Just because you personally enjoy it doesn't make it less of a crime. It makes people living near the problems scared to leave their houses and get on with normal life. It's not acceptable and deserves punishment.
rob9872
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Why should they get more if they are drug dealers though? I don't deal before you get me all wrong, but I know a few and they are providing a service for those who want it. Not the big time who are violent and bringing it in, but supply and demand. Users will find a way of getting what they need, so if its not them it will be somewhere else. Society needs to accept that drugs will always be here. If they are pushing it or standing outside the school gates thats different, but tbf the ones I know are just like your football hooligans as normal every day blokes.
mark82
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Haha. That doesn't surprise me. Plenty of idiots in our press.
mark82
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In fairness I didn't watch the video as on my phone. Will take your word for it on this incident but I still don't agree with it.
mark82
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I just don't like it being glorified. If people want to fight, that's fine. I'm not against fighting. I've taken part in boxing and mixed martial arts. Just do it in a controlled environment where innocent people are not impacted in any way. While people continue to do it en masse in public I am glad they go to jail.
Mumford and Daughter
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drugs is the evil of all crime
drugs breeds muggers and criminals , how you can say drug dealers provide a service , they get people onto heroin who in turn cant get away from the vicious circle which then force them to shop lift , mug old ladies for pennys for their next fix
drugs kill 100’s of people a day
Mumford and Daughter
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the only people who glorify are the press and the media
mark82
Super Moderator
Yes, it's just as ludicrous as your argument about hooliganism.
mark82
Super Moderator
You miss the main point which is impact to innocent people.
rob9872
Well-Known Member
I'm not disputing any of that, but I'm using it to illustrate that just like all hooligans aren't the same neither imo are all drug dealers. Some push heroin, others priovide a bit of weed, or coke for people who are already using it and who want someone to get it for them. I don't get involved, so no need to visit me for any of the eyes who may be reading this, but they are not all the same.
Mumford and Daughter
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so what is ludicrous about my argument ?
when was the last time a cov fan was serious hurt at a football match ?
