On this occasion I would not count FA Cup goals against a full strength premier league side, as I am looking solely at the league.
If I was looking at the stats with the inclusion of cup games, then I would say that goals against full strength premier league opponents would count.
YepIs that true?
Gyokeres 20/21 19 apps 3 goals 0 assists. I’m sure you thought he was a future premier league player though?Nuance is important <serious but kind face emoji>
Nobody is suggesting we can buy a player ready for the Premier league. We are buying young players. Good young players who can improve. We are paying millions for each one now to play in the Championship (widely accepted as one of the top 10 leagues in the world).
If they are not intended to improve to Premiership level then where exactly?
We paid £1m for Vik and £1m for Gus. They improved to Premiership level. Sheaf, also £1m, now being rumoured to be wanted by top flight clubs. When COH leaves it will be for the same.
What is being said, by me at least, is that I don't see Wright improving to that level. You may disagree, which is a perfectly valid opinion. But don't try to make out that something quite different is being claimed <checkmate face emoji>
1. Sunk cost fallacyThat's the spent cost fallacy. I hope Robins is better than that: ie fields the best player irrespective of what they cost. It's fine to make a mistake, I admire the strength of character to recognise a mistake and put it right.
Let's agree that we both hope he proves me wrong. But I've reached the point where I believe if we can get our money back we can get better for the money. You either believe it's worth waiting longer or that his performances so far are the best we will get for £9m, genuinely not sure which but opinions differ and I'm fine with whichever despite disagreeing on both.
If performances change my opinion will change.
Gyokeres 20/21 19 apps 3 goals 0 assists. I’m sure you thought he was a future premier league player though?
Wright 23/24 28 apps 8 goals 5 assists. Obviously he’ll never make it…
You are actually clueless mate.
1. Sunk cost fallacy
No but surely after 33 appearances it is legitimate to express a view on how well someone has played. Doesn't mean that can't change but it's a bit silly to say you can't express an opinion on a player until the end of their contract.
Btw, who won the penalty Godden converted that game?It includes recognised cup games. By that definition play off games would also not count
I calculate Wrights to be 18 over league games - the irony is it goes down if you include 90 minutes against a very poor Wimbledon side
Also if a player scores in the FA Cup against a full strength premier league side you’d say they don’t count?
Can you show your workings
Everyone can see Sakamoto has been a great signing. No one says otherwise.Absolutely ridiculous opinion.
I assume Sakamoto has also been very disappointing?
The transfer was a total of €9M, not pounds. Pretty sure that’ll include a fair few add-ons too. Next season will be the one that we see him at his best, however I’d say he’s been a success so far for us.That's the spent cost fallacy. I hope Robins is better than that: ie fields the best player irrespective of what they cost. It's fine to make a mistake, I admire the strength of character to recognise a mistake and put it right.
Let's agree that we both hope he proves me wrong. But I've reached the point where I believe if we can get our money back we can get better for the money. You either believe it's worth waiting longer or that his performances so far are the best we will get for £9m, genuinely not sure which but opinions differ and I'm fine with whichever despite disagreeing on both.
If performances change my opinion will change.
No, of course not.Is that true?
Nope, work it out yourselfCan you show your workings
You work it out then smart arseNo, of course not.
You want me to work out a bullshit number that YOU threw out there, I am calling bullshit on, because you can’t show it yourself?Nope, work it out yourself
Sakamoto: 7G 2AEveryone can see Sakamoto has been a great signing. No one says otherwise.
Whereas a shed load of people have the same opinion as me on Wright, he had a poor start and has been very patchy since. Still lots to prove.
No idea what you are seeing tbh.
Dilusional.
Not really, no.Oh bugger, I knew that wasn't right but couldn't think of the right words.
Putting my error aside, you haven't disagreed with the point. Do we have common ground at least on the principle?
Why bring it are up you one of these negative arses go on the transfer site and work it out yourself, some figures on there such Simms for £7mill I think is wrong.You want me to work out a bullshit number that YOU threw out there, I am calling bullshit on, because you can’t show it yourself?
Who are they then ?How this club has manged to get itself in the play off race 2 years running is a miracle given the apparent amount of shit players we sign.
So you just pulled it out of your arse thenWhy bring it are up you one of these negative arses go on the transfer site and work it out yourself, some figures on there such Simms for £7mill I think is wrong.
And the Vik fee is short but does it matter I’d say the Hamer fee plus a little bit left from Viks fee and remember there’s up to £4mill in add ons to come in plus the 15% kick back from any transfer out of Porto this summer and the Hamer fee is knocking on £30million in the war chest, but be my guest work it out yourself same for you Sick twat.
Just into facts mate thats allWhy bring it are up you one of these negative arses
Go back to bed ffks you boring twat.So you just pulled it out of your arse then
To be fair last season’s right back is now propping up the league with Forest GreenHow this club has manged to get itself in the play off race 2 years running is a miracle given the apparent amount of shit players we sign.
You want Robins out then, serious allegation wasting £20million.Instead of trying to work out why our players might be shite can we go back to the first 10 to 12 games when they were all shite and Robins wasted 20m on them?
Simms could and should be better. The one thing we just about all agree on. But he offers more than Godden. Simms should improve with game time and coaching. Godden is on the downwards slope.
And if you can't see the player in Wright, you're either blind, have an agenda or don't know a lot about football.
Delusional is not seeing the improvement since moving thousands of miles away from family and friends and expecting him to hit the ground running in a side that all needed time to get used to the Championship at the same time as all needing to get match fit.Everyone can see Sakamoto has been a great signing. No one says otherwise.
Whereas a shed load of people have the same opinion as me on Wright, he had a poor start and has been very patchy since. Still lots to prove.
No idea what you are seeing tbh.
Dilusional.
You want Robins out then, serious allegation wasting £20million.
Strangely enough I was one of only a few standing up for Robins and how the side needed time to gel. Yet you try and turn it on me when it was you having a go at the players and wasting 20m.You want Robins out then, serious allegation wasting £20million.
Thought that was mrstrench?I stopped coming three years ago.
You want Robins out then, serious allegation wasting £20million.
I agree with you, although I do think you're wrong on Wright, I like him and I'm looking forward to him getting back up to full speed.It's impossible to have a reasonable nuanced conversation on here. Every opinion expressed is:
1 (deliberately?) twisted : so 'I don't think Wright is value for money and I would cash in and reinvest' becomes i think he's shit
2 nit picked to death
3 used for point scoring
4 immediately switched to name calling and personal.
Reminds me why I stopped coming three years ago.
So basically you’re saying everyone on here is a horrible person then?It's impossible to have a reasonable nuanced conversation on here. Every opinion expressed is:
1 (deliberately?) twisted : so 'I don't think Wright is value for money and I would cash in and reinvest' becomes i think he's shit
2 nit picked to death
3 used for point scoring
4 immediately switched to name calling and personal.
Reminds me why I stopped coming three years ago.
You want me to work out a bullshit number that YOU threw out there, I am calling bullshit on, because you can’t show it yourself?
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