SlowerThanPlatt
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CC84 and Rupert. What a tag team
For me personally I dont trust sheaf to give a better consistent performance over hamer, Kelly etc. Possibly because he is learning his trade? That said, we can’t afford sheaf to learn his trade in the first team but I understand the argument that we can’t afford better. We have to live with an inconsistent performer until he either improves or robins and the coaching staff agree he needs to move on.
If it wasn’t for the agreement with Arsenal at the start of last season I don’t think we would have signed him personally. He wouldn’t be in my first eleven if I was picking the team but what do I know…
I think this post explains the defence quite well. When Sheaf drops a clanger, its fair to say that but I think he gets far too much blame put on him. It all seems to stem back from last season.I think everybody has?
He was badly at fault for the second (although Rose is almost as culpable really) and also played a part in the first too.
It's the fact that he's the ONLY one that gets it that irks.
Kelly failed with a simple pass to O'Hare to give the ball away for their first, think it got mentioned just once on the Match Thread.
But for very fine margins like Rose's 2 blocks & one from Fadz, all of Rose, Kelly (again) & Hamer would also have given away goals in similar fashion in the 2nd half. No mention.
Horses for courses; all four have different styles and therefore bring individual attributes.
Hamer and Sheaf are the two best footballers, and both are still improving and developing. Kelly can’t be ruled out as his positioning, defensive cover and leadership are key. And Allen has proven he’s capable at this level, has high energy and is the only box to box type we have, plus is a tidy footballer to boot.
Sheaf is capable of errors, as we’ve seen too often, but he’s also capable of running games. Him and Kelly are most similar so are probably the worst two to play together.
I think we’ll see a continued rotation depending what MR wants to exploit, but I’d expect to see Kelly against all the big teams where we’re expecting to be under pressure.
Hamer & Kelly not even up fro debate...so let’s debate
This aged well
This aged well
LolHamer & Kelly not even up fro debate...so let’s debate
Yes, for a player who clearly grows in confidence as he plays it's pretty poor man management the way he's dropped in and out. I'm pretty sure he's the number 1 defensive midfield option ahead of Kelly now.Hamer and Sheaf - perfect combination. Sheaf needs to be playing every week to be on top of his game.
They have been the most impressiveHamer and Allen
Yes, for a player who clearly grows in confidence as he plays it's pretty poor man management the way he's dropped in and out. I'm pretty sure he's the number 1 defensive midfield option ahead of Kelly now.
Yes, for a player who clearly grows in confidence as he plays it's pretty poor man management the way he's dropped in and out. I'm pretty sure he's the number 1 defensive midfield option ahead of Kelly now.
So Kelly and Dabo are out of the team form last night then?But it's also hard for MR to explain to those waiting in the wings why they've not been given a chance after Sheaf has dithered on the ball and cost a goal. Allen had a couple of decent games and got dropped. Can't really then justify keeping someone in after they've had a couple of average to poor games.
Hamer & Kelly not even up fro debate...so let’s debate
But it's also hard for MR to explain to those waiting in the wings why they've not been given a chance after Sheaf has dithered on the ball and cost a goal. Allen had a couple of decent games and got dropped. Can't really then justify keeping someone in after they've had a couple of average to poor games.
But it's also hard for MR to explain to those waiting in the wings why they've not been given a chance after Sheaf has dithered on the ball and cost a goal. Allen had a couple of decent games and got dropped. Can't really then justify keeping someone in after they've had a couple of average to poor games.
But it's also hard for MR to explain to those waiting in the wings why they've not been given a chance after Sheaf has dithered on the ball and cost a goal. Allen had a couple of decent games and got dropped. Can't really then justify keeping someone in after they've had a couple of average to poor games.
Allen is not a defensive midfielder. Sheaf was signed as such and needs a run in the team. Kelly remains a good servant to the club but top 6 sides in this league would not have him as a starter. His pass distribution is not at the required level
Why did we need to change it if Kelly is the best no debate?Have we all forgot sheaf last week nowPreston Changed it half time Robins sat and didn’t react
The system Allen for a strikerWhy did we need to change it if Kelly is the best no debate?
One of the biggest issues I have with your take of - 'Have we all forgot Sheaf last week' - like he dropped a disastrous performance. He was absolutely fine apart from one, I appreciate it was a telling one, mistake. I also appreciate he's made a couple more (although the number is exaggerated), but his all round play other than those very specific moments has been very good and hugely contributes to the way we play. When Kelly plays, we have to play entirely differently because he is nowhere near good enough on the ball. Essentially we revert to being constantly on the backfoot, relying on long or channel balls and being more survival based.Have we all forgot sheaf last week nowPreston Changed it half time Robins sat and didn’t react
In fairness Robins has put his hands up to not changing things earlier he should have added to the midfield and I think going forward needs to look at his midfield options in away games.People are completely ignoring the fact that Preston changed tactics at half time, that's what changed the game. It wasnt about us being poor, more about us not changing formation when it was blindingly obvious what was happening.
Preston just copied what Luton did to us, and clearly MR hasnt learnt from the lesson they gave us.
In the first half Dabo had space to get forward, and caused Preston problems, and that was where we looked to attack from. In the second half they pushed Josh Earl forward to pin Dabo back, and all of a sudden we had no outlet, and that let Dan Johnson have room to dictate the play, which he did to good effect.
I also thought Maatsen had a very poor game and offered nothing offensively.
We should of subbed Maartsen, moved Dabo to left back, and brought Kane on at RB. Gyokeres looked unfit and should of been replaced with Sheaf, and Hamer replaced with Allen, sacrificing 2 up front for 1 but giving us back some control in midfield.
This was obvious (imo) before Preston equalised. And other teams are likely to copy what Luton and Preston did to us.
I don't think people are ignoring that. What we saw was under pressure of a high intensity press, Kelly just doesn't have the technical ability to cope and the game was passing him by, whereas Sheaf came on and instantly got hold of the ball and started to dictate play.People are completely ignoring the fact that Preston changed tactics at half time, that's what changed the game. It wasnt about us being poor, more about us not changing formation when it was blindingly obvious what was happening.
Preston just copied what Luton did to us, and clearly MR hasnt learnt from the lesson they gave us.
In the first half Dabo had space to get forward, and caused Preston problems, and that was where we looked to attack from. In the second half they pushed Josh Earl forward to pin Dabo back, and all of a sudden we had no outlet, and that let Dan Johnson have room to dictate the play, which he did to good effect.
I also thought Maatsen had a very poor game and offered nothing offensively.
We should of subbed Maartsen, moved Dabo to left back, and brought Kane on at RB. Gyokeres looked unfit and should of been replaced with Sheaf, and Hamer replaced with Allen, sacrificing 2 up front for 1 but giving us back some control in midfield.
This was obvious (imo) before Preston equalised. And other teams are likely to copy what Luton and Preston did to us.
Sheaf has dropped two bollocks recently that have both resulted in goals.There was one clear miss placed pass from Gus last night that could easily have resulted in a goal. Quite a few others that might have. But Sheaf gets lambasted for it and Hamer gets a song. Bizarre.
Both good players but prone to drop a bollock. Like every player at this level.
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