Bile ad nauseum (2 Viewers)
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Colonel Mustard
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I've put together 10 months of posts quoting specific users, substantiating my points, and using a healthy amount of statistics to support my arguments. You'll find a pretty consistent line of argument. It's all there if you wish to look for it - and I think it makes for more compelling evidence than simply "naming names" without any context.
dongonzalos
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Whether Norwood was in loan or not ge plated for us and had a massive impact in the creativity role and has not been replaced.
If Cody gets injured for 3 months do you expect us to finish in top six.
I standby the fact as this team stands at the moment it won't be in the play offs or go down. However replace Norwood and get a genuine back up and competitor for Cody.
Then anything less than play offs us a failure.
Even SISU know this hence the recent trials for Bruno and the German. They would never spend money unless it is necessary.
Just hope these two players are out there maybe to get on loan maybe a prem club.
Glass half empty you may think. However I am shocked and chuffed to bits SISU have signed anyone and we will be staying up.
Not what expected at all. So got out of bed with a spring in my step, checking this site daily hoping for those two pieces that will complete the puzzle.
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DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe
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Fair enough, I look forward to your paper being released. There just seems to be more people who attribute clearly ridiculous statements to 'the other side' than there does the actual use of said statements. I am not looking for your evidence base... got too hung up with all this bollocks at work and am not about to start again tonight. A request for naming names did not seem so fantastical in the light of your claim that there are many posters who put Thorn on a higher pedestal than the Club they supported long before they'd even heard of him; you said there was many, I would imagine that everyone would categorically state that Coventry City Football Club is more important to them than Andy Thorn and to suggest otherwise is churlish at best.
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Colonel Mustard
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You realise you just did the same thing, right?
Mine is not an account with one post making sweeping statements about people; there are hundreds of posts supporting the conclusive statement. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to prove here - that I haven't accused people of putting Thorn above the club? Are posters expected to dig multiple posts out of their archives in order to show they've held the same opinion in the past? This doesn't strike me as any kind of rational argument, just the most childish point-scoring.
There were many and there continue to be many. I have no doubt that they wouldn't consider themselves to do so, but the unquestioning support of a manager leading the club to relegation instead of even entertaining the idea that a new manager could bring different results...is prioritisation.
DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe
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Fair enough, there is too much there to go on and this has been a dull extension of a tired old pre-season debate. I concede and opt out of prolonging this conversation (read into that whatever you like).
CJparker
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Why are we having this argument (again) now? It's not as if SISU will suddenly sack AT before the season is well underway.
Without wanting to prolong the whole tedious debate, I couldn't help noticing the warm support for AT at games right up to the end of the season, with the fans chanting his name. It would be a guess, but I would say those who want AT out are in the minority. For me, supporting the club comes down to supporting the manager, they are not really different things as Colon Mustard would suggest. IMO a lot of the reason we are in L1 is down to our shotgun managerial policy of sacking at the first sign of failure.
Without wanting to prolong the whole tedious debate, I couldn't help noticing the warm support for AT at games right up to the end of the season, with the fans chanting his name. It would be a guess, but I would say those who want AT out are in the minority. For me, supporting the club comes down to supporting the manager, they are not really different things as Colon Mustard would suggest. IMO a lot of the reason we are in L1 is down to our shotgun managerial policy of sacking at the first sign of failure.
Grendel
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Odd comment as this is the only time in the championship we did not sack the manager and it's the only time we experienced relegation.
If it wasn't for the antogonism towards sisu thorn would have been hounded out before Christmas. Instead he was seen by some as some as a victim fending off the Antichrist. The truth of course is he worships at Satans temple. He should have gone in October and we may still be looking forward to playing Birmingham not Bury.
Grendel
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And only once then at Barnsley. It got bad for Strachan as well after Grimsby. Other than that it's been pretty passive.
Grendel
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Regarding managers it has. There were no shouts at Dowie or Boothroyd. In fact I can only remember direct action against Phil Neale and Milne.
CJparker
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Oh of course, we should sack managers more often, that is a sure-fire policy for success...the fact is we need someone at the help for 5-6 years to ensure consistency. That might as well be AT, as he is in post now. I just get so weary of the same posters complaining about him and blaming him for relegation, what will it take to shut you up???
Grendel
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If thorn is here for 6 years we will be playing in a league below Bedworth. Of course you think only Jinny Hill was better so I can only assume you stopped watching in 1967.
I will shut up when the clueless one is removed and we can start to act like a football club again.
Ah, so you support him for 90 min at games, but the rest of the time you rubbish him here even though you admit he may read this forum?
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/18780-77-households-have-internet-access
Otis
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I rubbish him?
What tosh. When he has got things right I have been the first on here after games to give him praise. The very first poster. I am always very keen to praise a manager when he gets things spot-on.
I praise him when he gets it right and criticise him when he gets it wrong.
You do know that was a joke in the internet thread don't you? You don't think I meant any of that surely? If AT read it he would know it was a joke too .... unless he has no brain of course.
What tosh. When he has got things right I have been the first on here after games to give him praise. The very first poster. I am always very keen to praise a manager when he gets things spot-on.
I praise him when he gets it right and criticise him when he gets it wrong.
You do know that was a joke in the internet thread don't you? You don't think I meant any of that surely? If AT read it he would know it was a joke too .... unless he has no brain of course.
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Grendel
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He managed 13 points in the first half of last season. He's won 2 away games in his entire management career. That's not a record I would want on my CV and you are proving CMs point.
CJparker
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With an embargo, thanks to SISU, meaning he had to field a team of journeyman, kids and non-performing senior players. Really you should support the manager even when he does make mistakes, not just when he gets things right. Football fans are so fickle, the moment we start to struggle you get on people's backs! Supporting a club is more than about win win win.
Astute
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Who shall we get to remove you then? ;-)
Colonel Mustard
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You're mixing two concepts; the implication there is that if you don't support the manager then you don't support the club, but surely you can see that sometimes it is necessary to be unsupportive of a manager to be supportive of the club. Why else would any fan call for a manager's head?
The likes of Clive Eakin like to perpetuate this baseless theory that giving a manager plenty of time will lead to success (or is more likely to); but what real evidence is there that it works? For all we know, it may cause more harm than good.
CJparker
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I wouldn't ever call for a manager's head.
Adams, Reid, Boothroyd and Dowie all got promotions with similarly sized clubs, and Coleman made a good fist out of managing in the Premier League. They can't all have been bad managers - look at Ian Holloway, took QPR down to L1 and then lost in the FA Cup to Vauxhall Motors, was on the verge of getting sacked before turning it around and leading QPR to promotion. We need to do the same - give a young manager time to succeed and a license to fail in the short/medium term, so we can re-build the club over a period of years, just like Stoke, Swansea and others have done. Fans are always asking for a shortcut to immediate success - you have to be patient.
Adams, Reid, Boothroyd and Dowie all got promotions with similarly sized clubs, and Coleman made a good fist out of managing in the Premier League. They can't all have been bad managers - look at Ian Holloway, took QPR down to L1 and then lost in the FA Cup to Vauxhall Motors, was on the verge of getting sacked before turning it around and leading QPR to promotion. We need to do the same - give a young manager time to succeed and a license to fail in the short/medium term, so we can re-build the club over a period of years, just like Stoke, Swansea and others have done. Fans are always asking for a shortcut to immediate success - you have to be patient.
Grendel
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It's no good - I can't stay away
kd - if you want to think you "win", be my guest. I am not into "winning" on forums as for me that is not what they are about, although I suspect that was a somewhat tongue-in-cheek comment from you.
And I would like to assume that some of you were being deliberately obtuse and are not actually that thick. You know full well what I meant concerning turning posts about other topics into rants against Thorn.
Have you decided yet that I and MMM are two seperate people?
Anyway, 13+ pages in response in a short time! Not bad. I must do this more often
I never said you were MMM but I still believe you have been here before.
DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe
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I think you are both the same person on the verge of a massive break down.
Colonel Mustard
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But I presume you'd be all for a change of a specific MP, Prime Minister, boss etc. What's the difference?
Reid and Dowie are unemployed, Boothroyd and Adams are managing L2 clubs, and Coleman is manager of a fourth-rate nation due to politics. I think a lot of managers can be successful at a certain club at a certain time under certain circumstances, and there's no reason not to believe that those managers couldn't have a moment in the sun again. But a truly successful manager carries the success from club to club, and they are few and far between.
That was 10 years ago, he took them back to where he found them in the first place, a club of QPR's size ought to be contenders in L1, any recently relegated team ought to be at an advantage etc. And it's one guy. Is there really a rich history showing the value of patience in what is an unforgiving league system?
Again, confusing two concepts. Patience isn't the issue here. It's just about seeing optimisation on the field - maximum effort, good tactics. If that's not being seen, then patience really shouldn't be an issue.
Grendel
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Indeed. Also very interesting to see you recognise my prior incarnation. You are clearly a follower.
sky blue zam
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very pro the last one
dongonzalos
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Thorn's tits out for the lads, just plain wrong
cloughie
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Interesting to see grendel has reinvented himself was this because he as never lets facts get in the way of him trying to 'win' an argument as he likes to turn every thread into.
Should have renamed himself 'summerisles lap dog' as he seems to hang on every word summerisle posts with yet another like
Grendel
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I like sensible posts and correct observations. Who knows one day I might like one of yours.
Astute
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Best joke of the day so far ;-)