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pusbccfc · Mar 8, 2023

Still makes me laugh that they complained Block 14 was overcrowded thought that closing a block was the best way of stopping it.

The solution was simple. Make Singers Corner ST only from Block 13 to 15. Add your metal fence or whatever and continue with changing the season ticket cards. Get it filled every week.

David O'Day · Mar 8, 2023

Pete the actions of the SAG are it seems a big concern of the posters on the forum you represent.

If you don't want to be questioned then don't started being agressive straight of the bat with people who query what seems to be a SAG decision.

I know you are trying to make this about me so you can palm it off as being "the nasty David O'Day" but I am not the only one who has asked these questions. I am not the only person who has questioned you, But crack on with pretending it is all me fella, dealt with far worse.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 8, 2023

David O'Day said:
Pete the actions of the SAG are it seems a big concern of the posters on the forum you represent.

If you don't want to be questioned then don't started being agressive straight of the bat with people who query what seems to be a SAG decision.

I know you are trying to make this about me so you can palm it off as being "the nasty David O'Day" but I am not the only one who has asked these questions. I am not the only person who has questioned you, But crack on with pretending it is all me fella, dealt with far worse.

Me too
And you can twist words all you like
I’ve not said I can’t questions decisions taken by the club on advice from sag and if you read the notes you’d see that.. let’s see why the tickets have been taken off sale shall we?
Ask your contacts

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 8, 2023

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
If our SAG has carried out proper research that shows that they have a better way of crowd management than (pretty much) every other club in the country, then I’m sure we’d all be interested to see it.

Presumably, all those other clubs that don’t currently see a need to keep massive empty spaces between fans will then all fall in line and mend their ways.

Again fair question

David O'Day · Mar 8, 2023

Sky Blue Pete said:
Me too
And you can twist words all you like
I’ve not said I can’t questions decisions taken by the club on advice from sag and if you read the notes you’d see that.. let’s see why the tickets have been taken off sale shall we?
Ask your contacts

Surely you can see that in a thread about likely SAG decision people will ask about your results regarding that matter.

It is an issue that effects lots of fans and not just on this thread, there's been plenty of comments about the every decreasing atmosphere in the ground. it's getting worse all the time and for a club that likes to shout about the noise their fans make you'd have thought that matters

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 8, 2023

David O'Day said:
Surely you can see that in a thread about likely SAG decision people will ask about your results regarding that matter.

It is an issue that effects lots of fans and not just on this thread, there's been plenty of comments about the every decreasing atmosphere in the ground. it's getting worse all the time and for a club that likes to shout about the noise their fans make you'd have thought that matters

So I ask again tell me your theory behind the changes

David O'Day · Mar 8, 2023

Sky Blue Pete said:
So I ask again tell me your theory behind the changes

you seem to be missing the point, the point is if Mark Hornby comes back to you and says Hi Pete it's a SG decision you are just going to go go ok Mark, cheers. When you should be following up asking what incident caused it and why was the decision taken if it is a massive overreaction.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 8, 2023

David O'Day said:
you seem to be missing the point, the point is if Mark Hornby comes back to you and says Hi Pete it's a SG decision you are just going to go go ok Mark, cheers. When you should be following up asking what incident caused it and why was the decision taken if it is a massive overreaction.

You think that me spouting off will change a decision made by the safety advisory group and the police?
If mark does say that I will repeat my question as to whether ccfc had to follow the advice and what the reason was for making it
A wise person once said
Change what you can
Accept what you can’t
And get wise to what situations fall in which category

ccfc1234 · Mar 8, 2023

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
If our SAG has carried out proper research that shows that they have a better way of crowd management than (pretty much) every other club in the country, then I’m sure we’d all be interested to see it.

Presumably, all those other clubs that don’t currently see a need to keep massive empty spaces between fans will then all fall in line and mend their ways.

I think this is the point that needs to be justified by the SAG. People like to think that restrictions on their freedom to decide where to sit is based on logical conclusions supported by evidence. What we are currently seeing is CCFC adopting methodologies that don't seem to be applied at other large sporting stadiums.

1.Why is that?
2.Are the safety teams in the premiership misguided in their approach and the SAG is right?

Pete, the type of questioning that needs to be put to the club, should be phrased in such a way that it illicits a direct response that requires them explain their rationale and treats the fans as adults.

David O'Day · Mar 9, 2023

Sky Blue Pete said:
You think that me spouting off will change a decision made by the safety advisory group and the police?
If mark does say that I will repeat my question as to whether ccfc had to follow the advice and what the reason was for making it
A wise person once said
Change what you can
Accept what you can’t
And get wise to what situations fall in which category

asking a question is not spouting off

ffs, listen to yourself

David O'Day · Mar 9, 2023

ccfc1234 said:
I think this is the point that needs to be justified by the SAG. People like to think that restrictions on their freedom to decide where to sit is based on logical conclusions supported by evidence. What we are currently seeing is CCFC adopting methodologies that don't seem to be applied at other large sporting stadiums.

1.Why is that?
2.Are the safety teams in the premiership misguided in their approach and the SAG is right?

Pete, the type of questioning that needs to be put to the club, should be phrased in such a way that it illicits a direct response that requires them explain their rationale and treats the fans as adults.

see pete it's not just me saying this

if you don't want to do it then let someone else

SkyBlueCharlie9 · Mar 9, 2023

WestEndAgro said:
Vote for a Tory local council, its Maton and his cronies making these ridiculous decisions.

FFS. So they can bring back fences, ban safe standing and introduce ID cards. What a track record the Tory boys have.

dadgad · Mar 9, 2023

slowpoke said:
If fans behave I’m sure in time they will re-open block 13, then 12
That needs sorting can’t do a lot when the sun is high but once it reflects through the glass window it blinds you, the windows need blacking out.

But why can’t the away fans be given the North Stand? - let them shield their eyes from the sun and clap at the same time.
Then the whole of the south stand becomes the home end. With the sun at our backs it’d be awesome…..and none of this segregation bollox - sorted.

Feb57 · Mar 9, 2023

chiefdave said:
Safety at Sports Grounds Enforcement Policy – Coventry City Council

Safety at Sports Grounds Enforcement Policy

www.coventry.gov.uk

I have not read all seven pages of this so I may have missed the point I am about to make. If so apologies. According to the councils own document the safety at sports ground policy (below extract taken from the council website today)should be
“reviewed at intervals not exceeding 12 months and amended at any stage to reflect any changes that may occur in operation procedure or to current legislation. Following any amendment a complete replacement will be distributed.”

Date of Issue – May 2018
Date of last review – November 2021
Reviewed by – Nicola Castledine

last time I checked, November 2021 was over 12 months ago. If the policy has been reviewed and not changed I would still expect the last review date to have been updated accordingly.
Maybe the council reviewed it in camera and decided not to let the general public know the outcome

Marty · Mar 9, 2023

I'm in block 15 and although standing on the stairs was a problem, I've never once seen anyone asked to move by stewards or police, the solution to the standing in the stairs was getting more stewards in, who stand on the stairs. It seems to me and quite a few others, that the people on this safety group, don't really have a clue and are slowly phasing in more draconian measures, when in reality, proper policing and proper stewarding would solve most issues.

Sick Boy · Mar 9, 2023

I used to stand near the front in WT7 at HR and when there was a larger away following we were a few metres from the away fans. The SAG seem to think the CBS is a reincarnation of the 70’s Den.

David O'Day · Mar 9, 2023

Sick Boy said:
I used to stand near the front in WT7 at HR and when there was a larger away following we were a few metres from the away fans. The SAG seem to think the CBS is a reincarnation of the 70’s Den.

was the current sag in place while it was just rugby at the ground?

WestEndAgro · Mar 9, 2023

The lunatics have taken over the asylum. It's almost like the SAG are just stirring the pot for no reason, totally draconian.
No other clubs in the country are subject to this rubbish.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 9, 2023

David O'Day said:
see pete it's not just me saying this

if you don't want to do it then let someone else

How long can you keep this up for

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 9, 2023

shmmeee said:
From there, I notice it’s all about risk and compliance and nothing the other way, which is understandable. No obvious way of making complaints/submissions either.

Thought this was interesting though:

Pretty certain there’s a supporter on the sag can’t remember who and I think they have mobility issue expertise

WestEndAgro · Mar 9, 2023

SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
FFS. So they can bring back fences, ban safe standing and introduce ID cards. What a track record the Tory boys have.

Wake up it's 2023.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 9, 2023

theferret said:
..removed from sale for the rest of the season. Only a matter of time. SAG work their magic again.

Should have engaged more directly from the start rather than the discussion

How do you know they have?
Do you have any information as to why?

SkyblueDad · Mar 9, 2023

clint van damme said:
One of them what? What are you on about?
And it's not about 2 wrongs making a right, it's about dealing with issues in an appropriate manner, which isn't happening in our case.

Behaviour in block 14 isn’t good enough. It’s only a few unfortunately but that’s all it takes. I think home fans should have up to block 11 but while have people standing facing away fans do ing their hand gestures it won’t happen.

dadgad said:
But why can’t the away fans be given the North Stand? - let them shield their eyes from the sun and clap at the same time.
Then the whole of the south stand becomes the home end. With the sun at our backs it’d be awesome…..and none of this segregation bollox - sorted.

Good idea and can’t disagree with the principal of that would mean a bit of a re-hash of the car park for away coaches though but not impossible but then of course it would put up to 4000 away fans very close to the casino and the entrance to the posh seats so can’t see it ever happening.

WestEndAgro · Mar 9, 2023

Safe standing going in up and down the country, we will probably be the last "Big Club" to introduce it, on the basis of what could happen, SAG would be all over it like a rash, where it actually could be the answer to some of the imaginary problems.

NortonSkyBlue · Mar 9, 2023

WestEndAgro said:
Safe standing going in up and down the country, we will probably be the last "Big Club" to introduce it, on the basis of what could happen, SAG would be all over it like a rash, where it actually could be the answer to some of the imaginary problems.

We may be last to have safe standing on the basis that the ground is owned by a third party.

David O'Day · Mar 9, 2023

Sky Blue Pete said:
How long can you keep this up for

not as long as you it seems

but what i said is still true

fernandopartridge · Mar 9, 2023

Sick Boy said:
I used to stand near the front in WT7 at HR and when there was a larger away following we were a few metres from the away fans. The SAG seem to think the CBS is a reincarnation of the 70’s Den.

Likewise I'd sometimes go in Block X of the Sky Blue Stand (aka North / M&B) and it was a couple of stairwell widths between you and the away following. This SAG are a bunch of jumped up clowns

WestEndAgro · Mar 9, 2023

NortonSkyBlue said:
We may be last to have safe standing on the basis that the ground is owned by a third party.

Man City, Newcastle and Chelsea all have safe standing, none of these clubs own the stadium. And no I'm not comparing us, but the point still stands.

clint van damme · Mar 9, 2023

slowpoke said:
Behaviour in block 14 isn’t good enough. It’s only a few unfortunately but that’s all it takes. I think home fans should have up to block 11 but while have people standing facing away fans do ing their hand gestures it won’t happen.
Good idea and can’t disagree with the principal of that would mean a bit of a re-hash of the car park for away coaches though but not impossible but then of course it would put up to 4000 away fans very close to the casino and the entrance to the posh seats so can’t see it ever happening.

If the behaviour isn't good enough deal with the culprits.
I actually don't think moving away fans to the North stand is a bad idea and it's definitely doable.

David O'Day · Mar 9, 2023

slowpoke said:
Behaviour in block 14 isn’t good enough. It’s only a few unfortunately but that’s all it takes. I think home fans should have up to block 11 but while have people standing facing away fans do ing their hand gestures it won’t happen.
Good idea and can’t disagree with the principal of that would mean a bit of a re-hash of the car park for away coaches though but not impossible but then of course it would put up to 4000 away fans very close to the casino and the entrance to the posh seats so can’t see it ever happening.

the behaviour is fine in block 14, nothing that doesn't happen at every ground and has happened for decades

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 9, 2023

dadgad said:
But why can’t the away fans be given the North Stand? - let them shield their eyes from the sun and clap at the same time.
Then the whole of the south stand becomes the home end. With the sun at our backs it’d be awesome…..and none of this segregation bollox - sorted.

Even if they did move the segregation would then just be in the corner at the other end and those in Singers Corner would migrate next to them again.

But they'd have the sun in their eyes.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 9, 2023

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Even if they did move the segregation would then just be in the corner at the other end and those in Singers Corner would migrate next to them again.

But they'd have the sun in their eyes.

There are no plans to move the away supporters

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 9, 2023

David O'Day said:
see pete it's not just me saying this

if you don't want to do it then let someone else

I take it you're offering?

Like you, my instinct would be to be more demanding and ask these sort of questions. I also know that if I did I'd be ignored and would not be invited to take part. They don't have to tell me anything even if I do supposedly represent a certain part of the fanbase. They'd replace me with someone who wasn't so confrontational. Someone like Pete.

you talked about FoI requests, so put them in yourself. Go to these meetings in place of Pete and see how far you get.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Mar 9, 2023

This season I have gone back to ST(Sisu shenannigans stopped me for a while ) previously stood many times in 14 and 15 found no problems.All ages singing and having a good time.The overcrowding issuse enough stewards to deal with that surely.This insain gap between them and away support is stupid.I have not seen anywhere a statement from club or SAG as to why it is needed to me the more people in that area the better the atmosphere will be .Sky Blue Pete could you please find out why this gap?

theferret · Mar 9, 2023

Sky Blue Pete said:
Should have engaged more directly from the start rather than the discussion

How do you know they have?
Do you have any information as to why?

What are you on about?

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